Horus Heresy New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[Stitch5000]

36 minutes ago, Astartes Consul said:

(Noticed that they've used the power sword from the Tactical/Weapons Upgrade sprue, not Command Squad, which the shields come from. Not sure that it means anything, though)

@horus_heretic on IG posted those on IG at the end of 2023

[SkimaskMohawk]

16 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

99% of warhammer online discourse.

 

Similar things happened with TOW FAQ rumours. People post a wishlist or concerns, others repost it as a rumour, YouTubers make a whole bit about it, repeat. 

 

Having not bought the 2nd edition box since it launched, I'm a little irked that the new price is 200gbp. The rules are still kinda not going it for me, but I was semi convinced to finally try iron hands on the saturnine stuff and mk2. Can't really justify it with that price point though.

[Astartes Consul]

39 minutes ago, Stitch5000 said:

@horus_heretic on IG posted those on IG at the end of 2023

Was the command squad out then??

[01RTB01]

1 minute ago, Astartes Consul said:

Was the command squad out then??

June 15th 2024 was the pre order date.

[Fire Golem]

They don’t use command squad bits:

 

the command squad shields are different. 

[jaxom]

I saw this elsewhere on the internet:

[jimbo1701]

Valrak discussing a screencap with release date of 26/7 and price £195. 
 

 

[Marshal Rohr]

[No Foes Remain]

That's direct contrast to the Exemplary Battle units that have come out, and I was under the view that rumours of kits being what you got and nothing more started from them speculating and people taking is as fact?

[Marshal Rohr]

32 minutes ago, No Foes Remain said:

That's direct contrast to the Exemplary Battle units that have come out, and I was under the view that rumours of kits being what you got and nothing more started from them speculating and people taking is as fact?

They have said, several times, they were hearing rumors last year (which included restricted wargear) then the rumors went cold, came back a month or two ago and now leaks have started and some line up to what they heard. 
 

I am in the camp legion special units have lost their options, generic units have not. So Justaerin/Varagyr/Cenobim are not what you see in the kit and new plastic Cataphractii will have a bunch of options in the release box and a terminator melee upgrade box. 

[Fire Golem]

I think I could live with Legion specific units having less options. I kinda feel they maybe should be more specialised. As long as generic things like praetors and centurions, veterans, command squads etc still stay nice and customisable. 

[Marshal Rohr]

10 minutes ago, Fire Golem said:

I think I could live with Legion specific units having less options. I kinda feel they maybe should be more specialised. As long as generic things like praetors and centurions, veterans, command squads etc still stay nice and customisable. 

Literally every single army you see at events in 2nd ditched the cool lore weapons for massed thunder hammers because people cannot help themselves but want to delete other units in one turn, so it feels like an intentional throttle on that. 

[MARK0SIAN]

10 minutes ago, Fire Golem said:

I think I could live with Legion specific units having less options. I kinda feel they maybe should be more specialised. As long as generic things like praetors and centurions, veterans, command squads etc still stay nice and customisable. 

It depends how far they take it though. If it just means that Legion specific units don’t get access the full generic armoury then that won’t be too bad but if they lose access to their own unique wargear simply because it has no model then that will suck. For example Dawnbreakers have had rules for spears or swords since they came out but the models only have spears. Even if they hand wave it and say it works like paragon blades currently do, I.E. any weapon can be a paragon blade and they all have one rules profile then it will still mean reduced options. Same with Angels Tears, the models don’t have the assault cannons you can equip them with  so I’m really hoping they don’t lose access to that. In fact, almost no unit in the game that can take assault cannons actually has a model for it so it would effect quite a few units.

[Waaagh?]

10 hours ago, Matcap86 said:

 

Only thing that's kind of weird to me: Wouldn't they have all the other stuff that's supposed to launch alongside it in the list as well? They mentioned the expansion book and Libers dropping at the same time iirc. 

 

As an ex GW manager I can guarantee this is has been leaked from a GW store. It's their sample copy they need to build for preorder day (they get a single copy early for this purpose). These generally come on their own packing note as above with a quantity of 1. 

[Joe]

10 minutes ago, MARK0SIAN said:

Same with Angels Tears, the models don’t have the assault cannons you can equip them with  so I’m really hoping they don’t lose access to that. In fact, almost no unit in the game that can take assault cannons actually has a model for it so it would effect quite a few units.

 

Technically, for Angel's Tears they do. Wider issue with legion-specific upgrades not being expanded on since last January, which I guarantee is down to them waiting until they can start belting them out in plastic instead.

[Wibbling]

It's not a bad price, but unlike the Age of Darkness box there's not a lot in here I want multiples of, so will get one box for me and another for my son and won't need to 're-buy' it. If the rule book is out I'll get another of those rather than two boxes.

 

If I wre honest, I don't really care for the gun platform. Can the legs be posed? It doesn't seem to fit - there's no reference to them in the Istvaan massacre Heresy books but there are Stormbirds, Fire Raptor, Storm Eagle. There are other models I'd prefered they produced. The Saturnine are 'alright' but again, I'd prefer a re-do of Cataphractii or Tartaros or even just Seekers/Scouts. If the whole range was out then maybe but even then... why not include a command squad of techmarines, medic, siege breaker, librarian, chaplain and standard bearer rather than the new Saturnine. I think we could all use such models in our armies. 

 

I am just not sure why 'more' came out when we've landspeeders, Sicarans, bikes and a host of others that are already in the book aren't 'in range'.

 

Ah, Sorry.  I apologise for whinging, it just feels a bit 'flash over substance'.

[MARK0SIAN]

15 minutes ago, Joe said:

 

Technically, for Angel's Tears they do. Wider issue with legion-specific upgrades not being expanded on since last January, which I guarantee is down to them waiting until they can start belting them out in plastic instead.

I think you’re right about them hanging fire until legion specific stuff comes out in plastic but I hope they either speed it up or relent. I mean, there’s enough generic stuff not out in plastic to take up the rest of this next edition, I can’t see them moving onto legion specific stuff for 4-5 years. 

[Irate Khornate]

59 minutes ago, Fire Golem said:

I think I could live with Legion specific units having less options. I kinda feel they maybe should be more specialised. As long as generic things like praetors and centurions, veterans, command squads etc still stay nice and customisable. 

I'll have to disagree there. I'd prefer the legion specific units keep their unique flavor as that means there's less incentive to drop them in the future in favor of generic units. 

[Gorgoff]

1 hour ago, Fire Golem said:

I think I could live with Legion specific units having less options. I kinda feel they maybe should be more specialised. As long as generic things like praetors and centurions, veterans, command squads etc still stay nice and customisable. 

I agree here, asaaaand this:

1 hour ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Literally every single army you see at events in 2nd ditched the cool lore weapons for massed thunder hammers because people cannot help themselves but want to delete other units in one turn, so it feels like an intentional throttle on that. 

Is the reason why.

If Imperial Fist templars had the option to take a thunderhammer each we wouldn't see any of them with power Swords anymore. I am absolutely sure of it. So for special Legion units lesser could be more. Give them a apecific lore and the weapon options which fit this lore. Let the generic units have their niche in being more versatile. 

I guess that is already the idea behind it anyway. 

[Marshal Rohr]

Leaker just posted on 4chan again. Cover is the same as 2.0. There are no weapon stats in the book. 

[BitsHammer]

2 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Not the best take on their part. Like no one has evidence this is the case or isn't the case so either they're right because they're doompilling or they'll be wrong because they're doompilling.

1 hour ago, Marshal Rohr said:

They have said, several times, they were hearing rumors last year (which included restricted wargear) then the rumors went cold, came back a month or two ago and now leaks have started and some line up to what they heard. 
 

I am in the camp legion special units have lost their options, generic units have not. So Justaerin/Varagyr/Cenobim are not what you see in the kit and new plastic Cataphractii will have a bunch of options in the release box and a terminator melee upgrade box. 

Rumors, or people looking at 40k and hemming and hawing about 30k as a result?

[BitsHammer]

1 hour ago, Fire Golem said:

I think I could live with Legion specific units having less options. I kinda feel they maybe should be more specialised. As long as generic things like praetors and centurions, veterans, command squads etc still stay nice and customisable. 

I don't like the idea of Night Raptors being locked to this load out to be honest. Granted this kit is bad for swapping options and I was looking at using MkVI Assault Marines to kitbash a unit of them but if we lock to what's in the kit then I'll wait for them to go to plastic to add them to my army.

[Marshal Rohr]

37 minutes ago, BitsHammer said:

Not the best take on their part. Like no one has evidence this is the case or isn't the case so either they're right because they're doompilling or they'll be wrong because they're doompilling.

Rumors, or people looking at 40k and hemming and hawing about 30k as a result?

Take it up with them, bro. They’re better connected than we are. 

[SkimaskMohawk]

Some of y'all are on a great crusade of your own against any player that enjoyed playing the game in any semi-competitive way. It's time to put the card back in the deck. 

 

It couldnt be a broad policy direction that 40k just went through in 2023, aligning it with AoS. No, it was the evil competitive minded players playing heresy the wrong way; their sins stretching back from 2012 finally catching up with them and damning even the staunchest of heresy stans and Instagram stalkers. 

 

Like holy :cuss:. The most commonly broken units used load outs from the box. Contemptors, las heavy support, spear guardians, Scorpius, librarians, augury scanners. You know what would fix those? A points change. Or a mechanical overhaul. 

[Marshal Rohr]

11 minutes ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

Some of y'all are on a great crusade of your own against any player that enjoyed playing the game in any semi-competitive way. It's time to put the card back in the deck. 

 

It couldnt be a broad policy direction that 40k just went through in 2023, aligning it with AoS. No, it was the evil competitive minded players playing heresy the wrong way; their sins stretching back from 2012 finally catching up with them and damning even the staunchest of heresy stans and Instagram stalkers. 

 

Like holy :cuss:. The most commonly broken units used load outs from the box. Contemptors, las heavy support, spear guardians, Scorpius, librarians, augury scanners. You know what would fix those? A points change. Or a mechanical overhaul. 

Don’t even start I’ve seen you lambast the flattening of wargear choice because Brutal was just such a poorly priced auto-take and bad rules design.