Horus Heresy New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[Corswain]

All of my Night Raptors have chainglaives. It would be disappointing and problematic if that was not an option anymore.

 

The leaks showing little boxes with conversion suggestions makes me think all of this is just nothing though.

[Marshal Loss]

I doubt they'll take wargear options away, doesn't seem like it's in the spirit of the game - I've seen folks elsewhere pointing at the Saturnine Praetor but that isn't a great example as we know it's the new shiny special snowflake armour with its own bespoke weaponry systems. 

 

So the next WHC article is on the lore of the loyalist legions. Hopefully we see some actual legion specific rules/detachments soon. 

[SkimaskMohawk]

1 hour ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Don’t even start I’ve seen you lambast the flattening of wargear choice because Brutal was just such a poorly priced auto-take and bad rules design. 

 

I'm clearly not saying brutal was balanced. I'm saying that if they're removing out-of-box wargear, they're not doing it because they bungled the balance in 2nd and mean-players-who-have-no-hobby exploited it and forced a negative change. They're doing it because theyve done it with aos and 40k to prevent people going outside their ecosystem and to have more specific analytics.

 

 

[Marshal Rohr]

3 minutes ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

 

I'm clearly not saying brutal was balanced. I'm saying that if they're removing out-of-box wargear, they're not doing it because they bungled the balance in 2nd and mean-players-who-have-no-hobby exploited it and forced a negative change. They're doing it because theyve done it with aos and 40k to prevent people going outside their ecosystem and to have more specific analytics.

 

 

I can agree with that to a degree but they do play in the UK scene, as reported in several podcasts about UK events, so seeing all those “famous” Instagram armies where every legion special unit has Thunder Hammers was something they would be aware of. I don’t think it’s just to undercut 3D printers and cross system buys because the people that can 3D will always 3D print no matter the rules. 

[BitsHammer]

2 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Take it up with them, bro. They’re better connected than we are. 

Nah. They said in their original post that people in their Wattsapp were "worried" and haven't claimed to have any sources. Then when someone challenges them on it they claimed that they had rumors. I could be wrong but honestly I don't think there have been rumors, but rather just people talking about how they don't want a change and that somehow became the rumor after the fact. 

55 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

I doubt they'll take wargear options away, doesn't seem like it's in the spirit of the game - I've seen folks elsewhere pointing at the Saturnine Praetor but that isn't a great example as we know it's the new shiny special snowflake armour with its own bespoke weaponry systems. 

 

So the next WHC article is on the lore of the loyalist legions. Hopefully we see some actual legion specific rules/detachments soon. 

And if 3.0 repeats 2.0 all characters will have access to legion wargear which would open up stuff like Chainglaives for NLs.

[Nephaston]

I feel we already had the talk about units and if they keep options that are not necessarily part of their kit. And while not 100% absolute proof that everything retains their options we do know about at least one unit coming out that instructs you to use a kit with a completely different name and access to a "legion weapons list" which also does not come in that kit.

 

Again, no guarantee that something like this means legion specific units retain all their options, but it does mean that the rules writers, at least somewhat, kept the kitbashing/repurposing/upgrading aspect of 30k in mind. 

[Fire Golem]

5 hours ago, BitsHammer said:

I don't like the idea of Night Raptors being locked to this load out to be honest. Granted this kit is bad for swapping options and I was looking at using MkVI Assault Marines to kitbash a unit of them but if we lock to what's in the kit then I'll wait for them to go to plastic to add them to my army.

That’s not the level I meant I’d live with to, and I don’t believe it’ll happen. 

[Antarius]

I don't think they'll take away wargear options as a whole. For one thing, I think the design team actually likes the game and setting they're working on and for another, it seems like part of the business model is selling upgrade kits to people who like to tinker with their models, so even being strictly cynical about GW and their reasons I don't think there's a cause for concern.

Whether they'll reign in certain things is another matter, of course (I could sort of see them doing away with all thunder hammer units or similar, if they feel it's exploitative, but I have no idea if they'll actually do it).

[Fire Golem]

This seems to be the rumour from the WhatsApp anyway, apparently the guy saying it has been right on everything else he’s said. I don’t know why a playtester would know that legion specific plastics are coming with more options though, and I find it quite hard to believe that that would happen over an edition (if it’s 3 years, that’s a lot of plastic legion specific units). Or what the point would be to temporarily remove options only to add more back in. (Edited the guys name out, Rob’s from YouTube anyway so more public)

[Stitch5000]

5 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

I can agree with that to a degree but they do play in the UK scene, as reported in several podcasts about UK events, so seeing all those “famous” Instagram armies where every legion special unit has Thunder Hammers was something they would be aware of. I don’t think it’s just to undercut 3D printers and cross system buys because the people that can 3D will always 3D print no matter the rules. 

Who do you mean by “they”? I’m lost!

[Marshal Rohr]

Design studio team

[Mogger351]

Honestly a curated loadout for specialist units to make them... specialist seems fine. Likewise if they're wanting to wait for plastic releases (aka please buy the dlc books), at least they’re allowing the resin kits to stand in the interim, even if its with restricted options.

 

Doesn't seem the worst thing in the world overall, they could have removed them until the plastics were ready for example.

[Marshal Rohr]

It was only bad in 1st because you had a clear delineation between the special units of the 1st Trilogy being sidegrades or too expensive with one or two winners and the later books having really, really good legion specifics. If that happens again where something like Palatine Blades are stuck with fluffy but meh options and no jump packs and a unit like Reavers or Iron Havocs get a smorgasbord it’s going to suck again. 

[Stitch5000]

27 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Design studio team

Ah yes… you get to bump into quite a lot of notable people if you go to WHW with any regularity, too. 
 

There’s a fairly regular events schedule at WHW so a not inconsiderable pool of observable games going on in the vicinity. 

[Joe]

I remain doubtful tbh. Just because x is heard y, and y was accurate doesn't mean z is true.

 

[Wibbling]

1 hour ago, Marshal Rohr said:

... Palatine Blades are stuck with fluffy but meh options and no jump packs and a unit like Reavers or Iron Havocs get a smorgasbord it’s going to suck again. 

 

Having units that match the fluff is a good thing. It encourages the player to play narratively rather than just take what gives them an advantage. 

[Marshal Rohr]

11 minutes ago, Wibbling said:

 

Having units that match the fluff is a good thing. It encourages the player to play narratively rather than just take what gives them an advantage. 

Yes, and when you’re the only girl at the dance without a date you get pretty bitter. Which is what happened the first time. 

[Son of Rawl]

1 hour ago, Wibbling said:

 

Having units that match the fluff is a good thing. It encourages the player to play narratively rather than just take what gives them an advantage. 

The problem though, is the narrative focused units can be hideously overcoasted compared to other units who will outperform them. Medusan Immortals for example, unless taken in the Bitter Iron Rite they are not worth taking compared to a standard Breacher squad and an attached Apothecary.

 

While I like the idea of a narrative focused army, I also know my opponent may not have that same view. People will choose a Legion for its rules and units over its fluff.

[Runefyre]

15 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

There is the new studio Wolves army for 3rd edition promo photos, and varagyr still have varied loadouts. I think there will still be some variety of wargear options, but will inevitably be just different enough that some units will need some arms ripped off...

[Marshal Rohr]

Well we will only have to wait an entire month to find out

[Misterduch]

So the origin of this claim is some guy on whatsapp claiming to be a playtester, who was nominally correct in the past with things *and* claims to know that plastic legion specific kits are coming.

 

Now, while I would love for the edition that has Salamanders as the poster boys to get alot of plastic love for them with brand new Firedrakes, Pyroclasts, characters etc etc etc, 

 

1) Does GW even employ playtesters nowadays

2) Why would a play tester know anything about future plastification efforts

[BitsHammer]

Loyalist fluff today, traitors tomorrow:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qbwgpft8/loyalist-lore-where-were-the-legiones-astartes-as-the-horus-heresy-broke-out/
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5 minutes ago, Misterduch said:

So the origin of this claim is some guy on whatsapp claiming to be a playtester, who was nominally correct in the past with things *and* claims to know that plastic legion specific kits are coming.

 

Now, while I would love for the edition that has Salamanders as the poster boys to get alot of plastic love for them with brand new Firedrakes, Pyroclasts, characters etc etc etc, 

 

1) Does GW even employ playtesters nowadays

2) Why would a play tester know anything about future plastification efforts

I don't *think* they do playtesting anymore for fear of leaks, and I don't know why a playtester would know that.

[Joe]

I mean, everyone knows about future plastification efforts - we've literally been told that's coming. 

 

9 minutes ago, BitsHammer said:

I don't *think* they do playtesting anymore for fear of leaks, and I don't know why a playtester would know that.

 

Playtesting is still a thing.

[Silent Observant]

The salamanders in today’s images, just a kitbash with the praetors weapons? Or melee “assault” saturnine?

[Fire Golem]

6 minutes ago, Silent Observant said:

The salamanders in today’s images, just a kitbash with the praetors weapons? Or melee “assault” saturnine?

Kitbash. All the extra bits are from the Praetor and the banner is the command squad banner. Could be a kitbash unit for a Saturnine Command Squad in the new supplement, but it’s not a new kit.