LameBeard Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 1 hour ago, Naryn said: What do you think the odds are I get rules for the Tormentor back in the Legacy pdf? A snowball’s chance in the Warp? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 1 hour ago, Matcap86 said: They could've easily thrown those in one of the dlc books, so getting them as a download is a positive I think. Yeah tbf, it's a glass half full/empty thing. The ZM rules will be free! But I had hoped they would be in the core book or get a dedicated supplement! Still, we don't know exactly what format the digital rules will be. Maybe they'll still be pretty chunky just not in print. Matcap86 and LameBeard 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicebod Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 27 minutes ago, Astartes Consul said: Yeah tbf, it's a glass half full/empty thing. The ZM rules will be free! But I had hoped they would be in the core book or get a dedicated supplement! Still, we don't know exactly what format the digital rules will be. Maybe they'll still be pretty chunky just not in print. Better a free PDF than a white dwarf article...which I'll remind you, is what we had before Siege of Cthonia came out. SalamandersBro and Brother Sutek 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 55 minutes ago, Redcomet said: 195£… ouch Like the Age of Darkness box. With the usual 20% off we face 156£ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDops Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Quote Although the pre-schism Mechanicum is the focus of this book, it’s also great to see updated profiles for the Dark Mechanicum's Brass Scorpion and Kytan, making them immense Automata instead of Vehicles so devious tech priests can attempt to further enhance their already impressive statlines Would this section give hope that some of the units that came out in pdf form will be rolled into the indexes for the astarties? Or is the vagueness implying these will still be pdf units Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 That was already the case with the Kytan and Brass Scorpion, amongst others - they shifted from PDF to being in a print book when Martial Civil War released. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 We are 100% getting plastic Kytans and Scorpions in plastic. Such an easy layup and redesigning them to align with the Dark Mech Spider Walkers is going to look really cool. Dezron, Xenith and skylerboodie 1 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matcap86 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 37 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said: We are 100% getting plastic Kytans and Scorpions in plastic. Such an easy layup and redesigning them to align with the Dark Mech Spider Walkers is going to look really cool. Man that Dark Mech release has the potential to be really something special eh? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 2 minutes ago, Matcap86 said: Man that Dark Mech release has the potential to be really something special eh? It even fits their release preferences. 1 Infantry Kit (Harpax) to 4 Vehicles (big stalkers, small stalkers, scorpion, Kytan) and the Decimator as the “Dreadnaught” release. Matcap86 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 No mention of any legion specific upgrades (shoulders helmets for either the MkIII or MKII) on the horizon. A shame, not all the MKIV ones were actually good, but having the option there to style up veteran squads would be nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 Sad to see that the Inductii won't be in the main books at launch, but glad they're being kept around via PDF. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Techwisp Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 I wonder if the Ruinstorm Daemons list is going to get any "Suggested Models" for the Daemons this time around. SalamandersBro 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrans Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) Look, the time frame is better than with 2.0...which was frankly, completely unacceptable. I still question the staggered release, just seems like they need to fill months in as opposed to actually not having the PDFs done which is crap, especially for Daemon Players. But on top of that, I'm not particularly stoked with a lot of 3.0's core rules. 2.0 base rules I feel where (outside a few things) better and more concise, but it fell apart hugely when it came to reasonable balance between the different factions, so the legacy PDFs, even getting released quicker, are going to rely massively on the over all balance of them and if they can actually 'compete' outside of a couple of select units. Edited July 3 by TheTrans Aarik 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephaston Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 3 hours ago, TheTrans said: Look, the time frame is better than with 2.0...which was frankly, completely unacceptable. I still question the staggered release, just seems like they need to fill months in as opposed to actually not having the PDFs done which is crap, especially for Daemon Players. But on top of that, I'm not particularly stoked with a lot of 3.0's core rules. 2.0 base rules I feel where (outside a few things) better and more concise, but it fell apart hugely when it came to reasonable balance between the different factions, so the legacy PDFs, even getting released quicker, are going to rely massively on the over all balance of them and if they can actually 'compete' outside of a couple of select units. My guess is the pace of releases of 2.0 was also down to them trying to feel out the demand and reception and either; being blindsided by the demand without a means to immediately ramp up, or blindsided by the success and immediately paring out some stuff and full swap to plan a third edition. Now that I think about it, do we know if 2.0 got made at all because the Suits demanded it or because the Nerds convinced them. I could see it go either way "We need to sell more Marines, make the other game" vs "We could sell more Marines, let us make the other game" BitsHammer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xirix Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 10 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said: It even fits their release preferences. 1 Infantry Kit (Harpax) to 4 Vehicles (big stalkers, small stalkers, scorpion, Kytan) and the Decimator as the “Dreadnaught” release. Don't give me hope for a plastic Decimator Daemon Engine. XD Hathor42 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 If they ever release a plastic Decimator I'll stream myself eating a jar of mustard. You can hold me to that. Robbienw, Gorgoff, roryokane and 9 others 2 3 7 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 3 minutes ago, Joe said: If they ever release a plastic Decimator I'll stream myself eating a jar of mustard. You can hold me to that. Screenshot this and sending it to GW customer services in hopes... Anyway, rules wise I'm very optimistic with this. Feels still like 3rd edition 40K that inspired it but still got that modern elements that brings a lot of depth. Army building will be interesting and hopefully we won't see Allies ruining every event going forward, but I'm still happy enough. BitsHammer, The Yak, Gorgoff and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 12 hours ago, Marshal Loss said: Sad to see that the Inductii won't be in the main books at launch, but glad they're being kept around via PDF. Agree, again for the sake of a text box per legion and a little bit of QA. They just seem to be stuck in 'it was like this last time so we'll do it again'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 On 7/2/2025 at 11:53 AM, jaxom said: @Petitioner's City, thank you! I mostly playtested the LotR card game starting around 2010. so I just got the FFG/GW stories second hand. If I recall correctly, a large chunk of Rogue Trader had been developed at Industries prior to the license going to FFG. The folks I knew made it sound like they were doing all the original writing which then had to be approved by Rees and Merritt; and they were allowed to include snippets from previously published works, hence the 'special thanks.' Most of Rogue Trader and a lot of the lore for Deathwatch came out of Black Industries; most of the rules came from Corey and then Kat after Corey got put on Arkham. Thank you for explaining more, that's so fascinating - would love to hear/read more about this & your work on it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matcap86 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 One of the retailers I frequent accidentally put up the Saturnine Praetor individual box on their webstore. Expect those will be along sooner rather than later. RRP they put up was 26 euros. Dezron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) Solar Auxilia Faction Focus. Shorter version: Basilisk and Medusa are Strength 10 when stationary. Basilisk has Breaching (6+) and Pinning (1). Command Sections now dole out buffs to coresponding units. EG Line Command Section improving Line (X) for units in LOS of the Troop Master. The old Tercios are now Auxiliary Detachments, unlocked by it's coresponding Command Section. Example given was a Line Command Section unlocking Rifle Sections and Dracosans. Cohort Doctrines are still a thing. Legiones Auxilia are still a thing. Example given was the Raven Guard replacing the Form Ranks Advanced Reaction (whatever that does) with Displacement. Blast Charges implied to be a paid upgrade again. Leman Russ is Front Armour 14 with 6 Hull Points. Edited July 3 by Lord Marshal Vassakov 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Am I going mad or are those new? They certainly don't look like the FW ones to me! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 4 minutes ago, Vassakov said: Am I going mad or are those new? They certainly don't look like the FW ones to me! Fairly certain those are just the resin ones. The poses are the same, just with the specific weapons shuffled about. Aarik and DemonGSides 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) Hey, battle cannons can be ap3 again! Now why are the blasts 3" lol. And what's going on with the earthshaker and medusas AP. The krios lightning cannon got to mirror its 1st edition stats, don't do iconic weapons that had a consistent profile dirty. Edited July 3 by SkimaskMohawk Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMawr Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 19 minutes ago, Vassakov said: Am I going mad or are those new? They certainly don't look like the FW ones to me! Seems they just repainted them, just like these drones on top : Are they trying to torment their fans by showcasing fresh paints ( and discussing ) on things they dont actually sell anymore currently Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/116/#findComment-6119517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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