Horus Heresy New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[Armchair Warlord]

On 6/30/2025 at 1:59 PM, skylerboodie said:

• Necromunda / Legions Imperialis books are c. 128 pages @£31.50, so 24.6p per page
• The "Campaigns of The Age of Darkness" books were 168, 208, and 240 pages @£37.00, so c. 15p-22p per page
• The Arcane Journals are 48 pages @£16.50, so 34.4p per page.

So assuming this last one is the same pricing for Journals Tactica, it is definitely a very expensive delivery method.

 

[Armchair Warlord]

I do get the feeling that the Journals Tactica are just going to be chopped up chapters from the original black books (HH1)... And pushed out on regular intervals.

[BitsHammer]

37 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

GW never do straight up conversions, there's always something added extra (look at the aussie and USA prices)

I'm pretty sure taxes are involved in that conversion as well.

[Grand Master Laertes]

49 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

GW never do straight up conversions, there's always something added extra (look at the aussie and USA prices)

Years ago I had done the math and seen that they used a simple average of the exchange rates of the last three years, which is a way of managing the risk of currency fluctuations. I have no idea if  they still do that, though. 

Edited July 7 by Grand Master Laertes
Removing multiple unnecessary quote boxes (for I had quadruple-posted due to my network connection)

[DemonGSides]

Yeah I don't expect prices to be exactly even across territories.

It'd be nice if they just didn't go up YoY.

[Brother Sutek]

15 hours ago, Fire Golem said:

Id be interested to see what you’d have gone with, I imagine most hobbies you’d be on a similar forum making a similar post. Hobbies are sadly not cheap across the board, in my experience. 

Flames of War. There are ways to get decent sized armies without going to the high end models, no shade to those who use those beautiful things. Added to this that I have more friends playing that now... I'd have access to much more army selection to borrow. I just can't even contemplate that as I already play too many games.

[SalamandersBro]

With pre-order coming this Saturday, we should start seeing leaks from the libers? Will any leaks for the new libers be under this thread or a new one?

[Matcap86]

On 7/7/2025 at 10:28 AM, Joe said:

 

Price conversions sorted.

 

Prices on the MKII's seem to be off: My FLGS confirmed 67.50 euros for those. 

 

 

 

Edited July 8 by Matcap86

[Urauloth]

Tactical kits are £52.50 right now, I assume they'll all go up to match.

[Corswain]

Yeah, AU price for MKII seems off. It's about $10 cheaper than MKIII and $20 cheaper than MKVI.

Very pleased if it proves true.

[ArcusArmis]

Honestly, $530 AUD isn't as bad as i was expecting. Should be able to get it for $470 at an my LGS.

Might actually be able to get into HH, certainly looking forward to it

 

[Sky Potato]

8 hours ago, SalamandersBro said:

With pre-order coming this Saturday, we should start seeing leaks from the libers? Will any leaks for the new libers be under this thread or a new one?

The Libers and everything else in this wave will already be with the usual YouTubers and bloggers. What usually happens is the NDA stopping them publishing content will be lifted on Saturday when the pre orders go live so we should start seeing more from then.

[Lord Marshal]

Another designer interview, this time covering MkII and the Disintegrator fluff.

 

They confirm the Rapier crew is a unique pattern based off the 'Imperial' Marine.

 

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We thought it would be a fruitless exercise to do MkII, MkIII, MkIV, MkV and MkVI crew packs, so we decided to make a unique pattern that a specialist artillery crew would use. To give it a pedigree in that setting, and within the company’s history, we drew off the original Imperial Space Marine, the LE02, which was remade in 2016 to celebrate 30 years of Space Marines.

 

The Quad Platform is crewed, interestingly. Probably means they're BS4 and can pewpew normally, unlike Tarantulas: 

 

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Neil: An important distinction between the Tarantula and the Araknae is that the former is automated, but the latter actually has a Space Marine in it.

 

Edited July 8 by Lord Marshal

[Astartes Consul]

Enjoying these articles so far. Some proper Designer's Notes vibes from them. Hopefully the rules one tomorrow will be as detailed.

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, Astartes Consul said:

Enjoying these articles so far. Some proper Designer's Notes vibes from them. Hopefully the rules one tomorrow will be as detailed.

Agreed, the saturnine one sold me on the terminators. 

 

For all the flak they've received, I think people forget that they love the setting and want to produce something fans will love too. 

[Elzender]

I had not paid a lot of attention to the disintegrator weapons up until now, but today's article mentions that even the Emperor found them to be a tad much, which makes me think.

The Salamanders' previous lore and rules reflect their disdain for the more horrible/dirty weapons such as phosphex and rad weaponry, so is it me or it feels a bit weird they have no issue with disintegrator weapons?

I guess it could be argued that the problem the Salamanders' have with the other weapons is that they "taint" the surroundings/environment indiscriminately, but feels a bit weird that only some weapons described as "horrific" are a no-go. 

 

(I know we could argue a similar thing of pretty much all special weapons of the legiones astartes, but in-world lore has rarely given flamers/plasma/melta problematic/immoral connotations like with phosphex, rad and now disintegrator tech).

[Doghouse]

3 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

They confirm the Rapier crew is a unique pattern based off the 'Imperial' Marine.

 

Yeah you could tell by the elbows and knee pads which I thought was a really nice touch, glad they confirmed it. 

[Matcap86]

8 minutes ago, Elzender said:

I had not paid a lot of attention to the disintegrator weapons up until now, but today's article mentions that even the Emperor found them to be a tad much, which makes me think.

The Salamanders' previous lore and rules reflect their disdain for the more horrible/dirty weapons such as phosphex and rad weaponry, so is it me or it feels a bit weird they have no issue with disintegrator weapons?

I guess it could be argued that the problem the Salamanders' have with the other weapons is that they "taint" the surroundings/environment indiscriminately, but feels a bit weird that only some weapons described as "horrific" are a no-go. 

 

(I know we could argue a similar thing of pretty much all special weapons of the legiones astartes, but in-world lore has rarely given flamers/plasma/melta problematic/immoral connotations like with phosphex, rad and now disintegrator tech).

 

The (im)moral connotations are almost always about the lingering effects I think. Which makes sense when you see it in the Great crusade context of reclaiming the Galaxy. Harder to reclaim a planet if you have to wait 500 years for it to chill out again.

[Fire Golem]

It’s always been a bit weird that the Salamanders are against ‘horrific’ weapons but their main schtick is Flamers, tbh. No Astartes weapons exactly kill you nicely but being burnt to death is probably more to the horrific end of the spectrum. 

[OrkPlayer137]

On 7/7/2025 at 3:49 PM, Sky Potato said:

That was quick!

 

“Thank you for your email.

We do not have any more information than is released in the Warhammer Community articles. So until information is released on there, we would not be able to let you know one way or the other with regards to digital rules for the forth coming new Horus Heresy rules.

If you have any further questions or queries, please don't hesitate to ask.”

 

So, no idea then! I’d be very surprised if the old books haven’t just been taken down to avoid confusion with the upcoming releases TBH. 
 

I’d fully expect - and I’m counting on - all the rulebooks being released digitally.

For the second edition Heresy release, there were no books on Warhammer Digital initially - they came out a few weeks later.

Unfortunately, I thought that meant they were not going to do digital releases and so I had already bought physical copies by the time the digital versions were announced. So I'll probably wait a few weeks to see this time. I always prefer to buy epubs if possible so they don't take up any space!

[jaxom]

1 hour ago, Elzender said:

The Salamanders' previous lore and rules reflect their disdain for the more horrible/dirty weapons such as phosphex and rad weaponry, so is it me or it feels a bit weird they have no issue with disintegrator weapons?

I guess it could be argued that the problem the Salamanders' have with the other weapons is that they "taint" the surroundings/environment indiscriminately, but feels a bit weird that only some weapons described as "horrific" are a no-go. 

 

32 minutes ago, Fire Golem said:

It’s always been a bit weird that the Salamanders are against ‘horrific’ weapons but their main schtick is Flamers, tbh. No Astartes weapons exactly kill you nicely but being burnt to death is probably more to the horrific end of the spectrum. 

It’s because phosphex, rad weapons, and chem weapons are indiscriminate and uncontrollable; whereas fire (to Salamanders) is not. @Matcap86 also makes an excellent point that fire is not going to ruin what one is fighting for, and the Salamander under Vulkan did not engage in the sort of burnt earth warfare the Dark Angels, Death Guard, and Iron Hands did.

[Astartes Consul]

56 minutes ago, OrkPlayer137 said:

For the second edition Heresy release, there were no books on Warhammer Digital initially - they came out a few weeks later.

Unfortunately, I thought that meant they were not going to do digital releases and so I had already bought physical copies by the time the digital versions were announced. So I'll probably wait a few weeks to see this time. I always prefer to buy epubs if possible so they don't take up any space!

James Workshop always wins!

[BitsHammer]

On 7/7/2025 at 7:00 AM, Lord Marshal said:

Interview on designing Saturnine, some interesting tidbits there.

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Saturnine armour requires both technological skill and a small degree of psychic attunement – above the average of a Space Marine, but nowhere near the level of a Librarian.

Honestly that sounds kind of perfect for Night Lords since being low grade pre-cogs isn't that uncommon in the legion. Makes them a bit more attractive for my army, at least in my head.

 

And on a 40k front it supported a random thought I had that Saturnine should come to 40k but only for Grey Knights.

Edited July 8 by BitsHammer

[Gorgoff]

9 hours ago, BitsHammer said:

Honestly that sounds kind of perfect for Night Lords since being low grade pre-cogs isn't that uncommon in the legion. Makes them a bit more attractive for my army, at least in my head.

 

Andbthe shoulder pads have lots of space for skin and corpses. ;)

 

9 hours ago, BitsHammer said:

And on a 40k front it supported a random thought I had that Saturnine should come to 40k but only for Grey Knights.

Never say never but in the article they pretty much said that they so not plan on making rules for 40k. I guess on purpose so that people interested in them are pushed into HH.

[01RTB01]

9 hours ago, BitsHammer said:

Honestly that sounds kind of perfect for Night Lords since being low grade pre-cogs isn't that uncommon in the legion. Makes them a bit more attractive for my army, at least in my head.

 

And on a 40k front it supported a random thought I had that Saturnine should come to 40k but only for Grey Knights.

Considering the Third's disdain for psykers, I feel even more justified in filling them with those seen as imperfect in the legion's eyes, sending them to Isstvan III to join Saul.