Lord Marshal Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) Probably not a coincidence all the Consuls without models got the cut. I'd be shocked if they don't start returning again in Journals as they receive models - keeping Praevian but losing Forgelord being the obvious example. Well, that or Legacies. Edited July 9 by Lord Marshal LightningClawLeonard and BitsHammer 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Really disappointed that the legion special units seem to have most of their options smoothed off. I'm still on the fence about trying it out, but I'd be very irritated if my raptors and terror marines have been made illegal. I know I'd be pissed if I still had my raven guard, since a combi weapon build has been a staple of mor deythan in both editions. Lautrec the Embraced, LightningClawLeonard, Brofist and 1 other 2 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Consuls and destroyers will almost certainly be in the legacies pdf. Apparently consuls also have cut down options (just plasma and bolt pistols for Moritat for example and they come with a jump pack). Praetors and Centurions have all the options still. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Techwisp Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 I can't watch that video right now. Anything of note happen with the TSons and/or White Scars? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irate Khornate Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 I wonder if the legacies PDF is going to have that lovely rule of this should not be used for tournament play. It seems like the great shaving has come upon us at last. jaxom and Indy Techwisp 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl of Wulfen Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 From one of the Warcom articles "You may absolutely still use these rules and miniatures in your games, using the Legacies of the Age of Darkness PDF. Units will clearly be marked as “core” or “legacy”, but there are no restrictions on using them, either in casual play or at tournaments. Tournament organisers may choose to exclude certain units from their events, but because this game system leans more towards the narrative side of things, the current plan is that all official Warhammer-run events will allow legacy units." Bold for emphasis Irate Khornate 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matcap86 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 21 minutes ago, Fire Golem said: Apparently consuls also have cut down options (just plasma and bolt pistols for Moritat for example and they come with a jump pack). That's weird as there's a specific Volkite moritat model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 minute ago, Matcap86 said: That's weird as there's a specific Volkite moritat model. Sorry yeah, Volkite and plasma. Matcap86 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) The entire Raven Guard rules are leaked. Been shown the entire thing from a Facebook post. From a glance, the Rites of War are now reliant on Reactions? Is it ok to post it all here? Edited July 9 by Son of Rawl Etiquette question Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 4 minutes ago, Son of Rawl said: The entire Raven Guard rules are leaked. Been shown the entire thing from a Facebook post. From a glance, the Rites of War are now reliant on Reactions? Is it ok to post it all here? Rite of War is just the name for all the legion rules now, the Tactica (trait), gambits (challenge stuff), reaction and detachment stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Fire Golem said: Rite of War is just the name for all the legion rules now, the Tactica (trait), gambits (challenge stuff), reaction and detachment stuff. Indeed, but from leaks, the rule looks to be just a Reaction to be used, while the Prime Slot gets an additional rule. Corax's Sire of the Ravenguard does allow choices that aren't Prime to use the additional rule. Edited July 9 by Son of Rawl Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 30 minutes ago, Son of Rawl said: Indeed, but from leaks, the rule looks to be just a Reaction to be used, while the Prime Slot gets an additional rule. Corax's Sire of the Ravenguard does allow choices that aren't Prime to use the additional rule. There’s another page. RG trait is can only snap shot them if you’re over 18” away. And they have the Gambit we’ve seen before. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Ex_Machina Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Salamanders have three entries?! SalamandersBro 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roryokane Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 13 hours ago, 01RTB01 said: Considering the Third's disdain for psykers, I feel even more justified in filling them with those seen as imperfect in the legion's eyes, sending them to Isstvan III to join Saul. Probably both virus bomb and post-virus firestorm-proof. Not exactly smart on the part of Eidolon, but then again he’s not exactly known for his wits, is he? 01RTB01 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shovellovin Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 hours ago, sarabando said: lots of rules leaks Thank you for posting! sarabando 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 26 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said: Salamanders have three entries?! They'll get more love in the Istvaan 5 journal I bet sarabando 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 The Space Wolf and Raven Guard leaks are quite interesting because of what they suggest about army composition and feel. The legion specific auxiliary detachments look like they're replacing the old Rites of War for shaping army composition with specific units. I'm guessing the new Journals will have a bunch. From Corax's rules, it looks like a lot of the old Legiones Astartes [X] rules/feels are going to be dependent on the Primarch being present. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterduch Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said: Salamanders have three entries?! 3.0 LOYALIST POSTERBOIS WHOOOOOOO There are still journals but uh...not a great start once you look at the bloody IF section Edited July 9 by Misterduch Deus_Ex_Machina, Brother Sutek, SalamandersBro and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 3 minutes ago, Misterduch said: 3.0 LOYALIST POSTERBOIS WHOOOOOOO There are still journals but uh...not a great start once you look at the bloody IF section Looking at the contents page, IF don't seem to have lost any core units?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 6 minutes ago, jaxom said: The Space Wolf and Raven Guard leaks are quite interesting because of what they suggest about army composition and feel. The legion specific auxiliary detachments look like they're replacing the old Rites of War for shaping army composition with specific units. I'm guessing the new Journals will have a bunch. From Corax's rules, it looks like a lot of the old Legiones Astartes [X] rules/feels are going to be dependent on the Primarch being present. That could be just his Sire rule. Hoping the others have some variety. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 5 minutes ago, Astartes Consul said: Looking at the contents page, IF don't seem to have lost any core units?? I think that’s maybe their point! Astartes Consul 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Salamanders are the first to get a Journal Tactica focused on them with the Saturnine Tactica. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 minutes ago, Fire Golem said: I think that’s maybe their point! Doh! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathor42 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) Edited July 9 by Hathor42 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 So that Chain Axe shown on the Mk2 Assault Squad is a Heavy Chain Axe. Assuming it is from the options allowed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/124/#findComment-6120512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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