SalamandersBro Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 3 hours ago, Astartes Consul said: Destroyers also appear to be gone now. Wait, no more war crimes squad? Guess i have 10 post it notepaper weights now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 3 minutes ago, SalamandersBro said: Wait, no more war crimes squad? Guess i have 10 post it notepaper weights now Probably be in Legacies. There was weird stuff like the Legion Basilisks and SA Carnodons they were selling all edition that ended up not making it into the Libers for some bizarre reason. Guess this is 3rd's version of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
painting.for.my.sanity Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 7 minutes ago, Son of Rawl said: So that Chain Axe shown on the Mk2 Assault Squad is a Heavy Chain Axe. Assuming it is from the options allowed. Bottom of the first column "any model in this unit may have its chainsword exchanged for one chainaxe for free" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Ex_Machina Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Since when are Assault troops equipped with antigrav gear? And you don´t write troop options BETWEEN the unit title and the fluff section. You write it in the options section with all the other options. Intern at work for sure. MARK0SIAN and SvenIronhand 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Destroyers not making the cut seems weird. They’re a popular unit, they had models and they’re mentioned multiple times in the background, both in the novels and the rule books. Interested to see what happened to the Angels Tears now then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 minute ago, MARK0SIAN said: Interested to see what happened to the Angels Tears now then. Imagine if the're locked to serpenta and grenade launchers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalamandersBro Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 I'm surprised they didn't put all the units from 2.0 black books in the legions liber. They introduced a lot of units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrans Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Ok... what's next on the 'we don't have the full picture' bingo card? I love how 'oh it'll be in Legacies' is the defence now...that pdf was a travesty! Casual Heresy, MoriyaSchism, Aarik and 6 others 6 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch5000 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 16 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said: Since when are Assault troops equipped with antigrav gear? And you don´t write troop options BETWEEN the unit title and the fluff section. You write it in the options section with all the other options. Intern at work for sure. They aren’t beholden to what you can wrap your mind around… Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TheTrans said: Ok... what's next on the 'we don't have the full picture' bingo card? I love how 'oh it'll be in Legacies' is the defence now...that pdf was a travesty! It wasn't amazing, though they did update it. Considering that they have said that they'll allow its use in WHW/Official tournaments and events, I suspect it will be more balanced this time. Also, as has been pretty obvious since the first preview event, the Journals will be introducing new units and variants of units on a more regular basis than we had previously. So maybe we'll get some of the missing and/or legacy units there? 20 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said: Since when are Assault troops equipped with antigrav gear? Since this, roughly... Edited July 9 by Astartes Consul SteveAntilles, Deus_Ex_Machina, Gorgoff and 2 others 1 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 12 minutes ago, TheTrans said: Ok... what's next on the 'we don't have the full picture' bingo card? I love how 'oh it'll be in Legacies' is the defence now...that pdf was a travesty! Just stating that it'll probably be in there, not defending it. Dalmyth, TheTrans and Fire Golem 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said: Since when are Assault troops equipped with antigrav gear? And you don´t write troop options BETWEEN the unit title and the fluff section. You write it in the options section with all the other options. Intern at work for sure. Since now. The Antigrav is probably an attempt to remove different rules that do the same thing like how Squigs had the flying fule in AoS (might not be the case now, been a while since I looked in on AoS) to represent how bouncy they are without having a bouncy rule that was functionally the same as flying. And the trrop options have just moved. Don't see any real problem with either point. Edited July 9 by Corswain Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathor42 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Aarik 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch5000 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 minute ago, Corswain said: Since now. Don't see any reall issue with either point. The Antigrav is probably an attempt to remove different rules that do the same thing like how Squigs had the flying fule in AoS (might not be the case now, been a while since I looked in on AoS) to represent how bouncy they are without having a bouncy rule that was functionally the same as flying. Exactly… pretty sure you’ll search this forum and find people complaining about how eacj different jump pack and set of wings had slight variants on 500 word sections of rules text. Antigrav seems a lot simpler… was that long ago that Screamers of Tzeentch were Jetbikes. Deus_Ex_Machina and BitsHammer 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Did the vets lose all their melee options? Like no option for chainswords and maybe no option for mass power weapons? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Seems to be they've coded them as a shoot-y squad, yeah. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted July 9 Author Share Posted July 9 I'm not feeling particularly optimistic about the game. There's always pros and cons with a major edition change and there's plenty I do like on paper about 3.0, but looking at a few sample suites of loyalist legion rules they don't feel as comparatively interesting or thematic as what we had in either 2.0 or 1.0. Detachments fall well short compared to old Rites of War for me and I'm puzzled by many of the decisions made by the designers. Unit losses suck even if they're preserved in PDF form or are going to be reintroduced down the line with a shiny new kit. Paying for rules content in 2.0 and then not seeing those units in the main books (e.g. Inductii, Exemplary Battles units) is also disappointing. The culled legion specific loadouts I dislike and I really feel for those with what are often expensive conversions. Invalidating options is not something I wanted to see from 30k. I suspect we'll see legion-specific plastics sooner than we thought though. Ultimately the proof will be in the pudding and I'll happily give it a go. Very curious where my Hereticus EC will land, who knows, they might be spectacularly flavourful and effective. But it feels like in stark contrast to the marketing message the designers went out on a limb with this edition's direction and I am not convinced it will pay off. 1ncarnadine, Aarik, LightningClawLeonard and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradeh Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Clearly this limiting wargear and model options to what GW currently sells is their overarching ideology. Eventhough HH isn't 40K it's clear it's going to be pushed, to what degree and how fast is the question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) Not gunna lie: Things ain't lookin' so hot for ol 'Gill (BA player) who already had assault cannons on their angel tears. I also spent ungodly amounts of money to buy several BA upgrade kits for more assault cannons. Also, this likely means rotor cannon options for Angel Tears are going away as well since that's not part of the base kit. Not saying the bad news is ONLY affecting me, but I am definitely concerned. Poor IF supposedly don't have Illiastus assault cannons at all from the rumors. Edited July 9 by Spagunk LightningClawLeonard and Aarik 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 44 minutes ago, SkimaskMohawk said: Did the vets lose all their melee options? Like no option for chainswords and maybe no option for mass power weapons? Veteran Tactical Squad? I think so, probably to differentiate them from Veteran Assault Squad. 28 minutes ago, Bradeh said: Clearly this limiting wargear and model options to what GW currently sells is their overarching ideology. Eventhough HH isn't 40K it's clear it's going to be pushed, to what degree and how fast is the question. The HH policy is decently clear. If it cannot be made from 1 squad kit + 1 upgrade kit then it will be Legends, or in a Journal with kit bash recommendations. Though for the limited wargear, like Mor Dethryn with combi-weapons, I have no idea if those squad variants will get Legends entries. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mittens Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 7 hours ago, MARK0SIAN said: “You might need another Centurion for the new force organisation but that’s it.” Is possibly the understatement of the year! I also feel like they’re obsessing over these new tactical statuses, I really hope they’re not as pervasive as it seems they’re going to be. If I’ve only got four turns I want my units to actually be able to do something during them. You can have as many turns as you like, 4 is a suggestion your group may ignore if you like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irate Khornate Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 7 minutes ago, jaxom said: Veteran Tactical Squad? I think so, probably to differentiate them from Veteran Assault Squad. The HH policy is decently clear. If it cannot be made from 1 squad kit + 1 upgrade kit then it will be Legends, or in a Journal with kit bash recommendations. Though for the limited wargear, like Mor Dethryn with combi-weapons, I have no idea if those squad variants will get Legends entries. I have a strong feeling that the very next edition will drop all of the kit bashing support the same way 10th edition did with anything heresy era. I hope I'm wrong. Fire Golem, SvenIronhand, Captain Idaho and 4 others 1 2 3 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrans Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 11 minutes ago, Marshal Mittens said: You can have as many turns as you like, 4 is a suggestion your group may ignore if you like. Is it a suggestion l, or does it say the mission lasts for 4 turns? LightningClawLeonard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterduch Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 3 hours ago, Astartes Consul said: Looking at the contents page, IF don't seem to have lost any core units?? Just look at IF, the 2.0 poster bois and how much stuff they have and compare it to sallies/ GW couldn't even be bothered to add one character. They could have just done Numeon, but noooooo Edited July 9 by Misterduch Deus_Ex_Machina and SalamandersBro 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/125/#findComment-6120547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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