Urauloth Posted Tuesday at 12:20 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:20 PM I might just have missed it in the thread, but what do veterans look like right now? I know they're split into tac and assault varieties, but that's all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apologist Posted Tuesday at 12:28 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:28 PM 5 minutes ago, Urauloth said: I might just have missed it in the thread, but what do veterans look like right now? I know they're split into tac and assault varieties, but that's all. 2W and 2A, with lots of weapon options. They're a neat way of creating 'Codex-style' Space Marines, with one heavy and one special weapon; though they're also more flexible than that. I'm very pleased with them, because I think they're great rules for 'truescale/movie marines' when fighting things like Solar Auxilia. Gives them a bit more beef and keeps the numbers low. Urauloth 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted Tuesday at 02:02 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:02 PM (edited) Cool Dropsite diorama at Warhammer World: Edited Tuesday at 02:05 PM by Lord Marshal firestorm40k, Domhnall, Xenith and 5 others 5 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted Tuesday at 02:56 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:56 PM On 7/20/2025 at 6:07 PM, TheTrans said: How do we have so many extra words in the rulebook and are still arguing RAW/RAI/Generally ruleswriting.... There is a reason why case law is a thing. No matter how dense the rules are, something is going to come down to interpretation. And then the interpretation will become the accepted definition of the rules, eventually. BitsHammer, Shinespider, Domhnall and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted Tuesday at 03:24 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:24 PM This might be the coolest diorama since the Halo 3 marketing Iron Father Ferrum, Mmmmm Napalm, Lord Marshal and 2 others 3 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted Tuesday at 06:02 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:02 PM 3 hours ago, phandaal said: There is a reason why case law is a thing. No matter how dense the rules are, something is going to come down to interpretation. And then the interpretation will become the accepted definition of the rules, eventually. It is a thing. It's also the reason I didn't do a law degree after my A-Levels. Bringing it into games is deeply frustrating. lokkorex, phandaal and Antarius 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted Tuesday at 06:04 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:04 PM 3 hours ago, phandaal said: There is a reason why case law is a thing. No matter how dense the rules are, something is going to come down to interpretation. And then the interpretation will become the accepted definition of the rules, eventually. 2 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said: It is a thing. It's also the reason I didn't do a law degree after my A-Levels. Bringing it into games is deeply frustrating. And all this is why Designer Commentaries are a gold standard for a rule set. LameBeard, painting.for.my.sanity, phandaal and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted Tuesday at 06:06 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:06 PM I can't believe @01RTB01 thought about doing law, and the law won. 01RTB01, apologist, Jorin Helm-splitter and 9 others 12 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Warlord Posted Tuesday at 06:10 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:10 PM On 7/21/2025 at 12:21 AM, JeffJedi said: While I wait for the new box and books, does anyone know what bayonets and chain bayonets do? Look cool............... What more do you need! Oh! Rules wise - Don't know.......... May as well check back in two and a half years when they come to mug us off again. roryokane, LameBeard and phandaal 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted Tuesday at 06:31 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:31 PM 26 minutes ago, jaxom said: And all this is why Designer Commentaries are a gold standard for a rule set. Commentary and diagrams. jaxom 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted Tuesday at 07:02 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:02 PM 9 hours ago, apologist said: I'll agree with overcomplicated, but thematically I think it makes a lot more sense that a field apothecary can triage small arms wounds, but is at a loss when his comrades are hit with tank busters! That's maybe right for humans, but not space marines. Their larraman organ effectively clots blood and wounds immediately, marines can fight on with limbs blown off etc - the apocs would be stabilising the ones whose redundant and protective organs have been overcome, i.e. anti tank rounds. lokkorex and Captain Idaho 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted Tuesday at 07:31 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:31 PM 28 minutes ago, Xenith said: That's maybe right for humans, but not space marines. Their larraman organ effectively clots blood and wounds immediately, marines can fight on with limbs blown off etc I figured that was part of being T4? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted Tuesday at 07:34 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:34 PM 2 minutes ago, jaxom said: I figured that was part of being T4? Trying to capture that in mechanics is something the game always struggled with. I think 40k nailed it best by making them 2 wounds, but that wouldn't work so well for 30k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted Tuesday at 07:38 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:38 PM I might hate the rules, but the diorama for this edition is outstanding. That mood lighting really sells it. Spagunk, LameBeard and derLumpi 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffy_Mcbuffy Posted Tuesday at 08:22 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:22 PM 9 hours ago, Stitch5000 said: Justaerin are Elites and need to be taken in an Army Vanguard Detachment (unlocked by a High Command Choice (Praetor Grade). Reavers are Heavy Assault, unlocked by the Shock Assault Auxiliary Detachment, unlocked by a Command Choice (Centurion Grade). Ok thank you. Glad to be wrong on. My first thought was oh boy. But still upset at the terror squads and loadouts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf Posted Tuesday at 10:05 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:05 PM We need to make a proper list of all those mistakes and misprintsin the liber supplements... Aarik 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted yesterday at 12:20 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:20 AM Apothecaries were changed because 20 guys with a 3+ Save and then a FNP was becoming too good to pass up, so they got realigned into an actual will they/wont they support slot with a reaction cost. apologist 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted yesterday at 12:26 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:26 AM 5 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said: Apothecaries were changed because 20 guys with a 3+ Save and then a FNP was becoming too good to pass up, so they got realigned into an actual will they/wont they support slot with a reaction cost. Honestly my only issue with them is that it's a reaction to do the thing. Petitioner's City, Xenith, Mandragola and 1 other 3 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted yesterday at 12:39 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:39 AM (edited) 13 minutes ago, BitsHammer said: Honestly my only issue with them is that it's a reaction to do the thing. Their main job is now clearing statuses. I think the reaction is there more as a fun option. No one is going to waste a reaction to save three tacticals or whatever. A Phalanx Warder squad, for example, can now clear the Pinned status with the nuncio vox or apothecary and will very rarely pay any penalty for doing shield wall. Edited yesterday at 12:40 AM by Marshal Rohr BitsHammer and de Selby 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted yesterday at 02:30 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 02:30 AM The more I reflect on the importance of statuses, the more excited I get about the revamped Hereticus EC rules. Stupify feels like it is going to have some serious utility in 3.0. Fire Golem and Petitioner's City 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffy_Mcbuffy Posted yesterday at 05:52 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:52 AM Can someone explain the Impact (X) rule to me please? As I understand it, on a successful charge any characteristic on the model or weapon with value (X) will be increased by 1 for that assault phase. So would a Raptor for example with Fear (1) and a Chainglaive: Strength +1 and Dmg 1, have each of those (1) values increased by 1? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoVonAwesome Posted yesterday at 06:28 AM Share Posted yesterday at 06:28 AM 5 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said: Their main job is now clearing statuses. I think the reaction is there more as a fun option. No one is going to waste a reaction to save three tacticals or whatever. A Phalanx Warder squad, for example, can now clear the Pinned status with the nuncio vox or apothecary and will very rarely pay any penalty for doing shield wall. Ultramarines will Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antarius Posted yesterday at 06:55 AM Share Posted yesterday at 06:55 AM 20 hours ago, Mandragola said: I think this is right and probably applies to a lot of 3rd edition. They've used too many words and maybe not enough pictures to describe things that actually aren't all that complicated. Once you do understand them, actually using these rules might not be all that bad. It’s funny, because I’ve always, by and large, been in the camp of “GW actually don’t make bad rules, people just need to use common sense and remember that the spirit of the rules is what’s important” and I’ve always accepted that in a game of this magnitude there’d be a typo here or there and some edge cases, where you’d need to just suss it out at the table, but now I’m at a point where that doesn’t work because the writing is all shot to hell. I’m not having a go at you (and I appreciate that you’re putting in a lot of work to help people understand this abomination), but I just don’t think that “the rules might not be that bad, once you’ve deciphered them” is good enough for a game that’s supposed to be fun and thematic. Actually I don’t think it’s good enough for any game that’s supposed to be a finished product. apologist, phandaal, Aarik and 3 others 3 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch5000 Posted yesterday at 08:39 AM Share Posted yesterday at 08:39 AM 2 hours ago, Scruffy_Mcbuffy said: Can someone explain the Impact (X) rule to me please? As I understand it, on a successful charge any characteristic on the model or weapon with value (X) will be increased by 1 for that assault phase. So would a Raptor for example with Fear (1) and a Chainglaive: Strength +1 and Dmg 1, have each of those (1) values increased by 1? Impact (X) refers to a specific Characteristic... S (Strength), A (Attacks) or I (Initiative) which does sometimes look like a 1 because of the typeface. That is the Characteristic that is increased on the charge, not all characteristics that are equal to X. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted yesterday at 12:36 PM Share Posted yesterday at 12:36 PM 6 hours ago, OttoVonAwesome said: Ultramarines will Yes, the initial feeling of meh at the ability to reduce reactions has rapidly shifted as people break through the core rules and realize how much of the game is locked behind reaction points and statuses. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/167/#findComment-6123816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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