Horus Heresy New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[Bung]

3 hours ago, Vassakov said:

 

If it was based on a newly planned kit then that's a heck of a change to make, unless they're going to re-errata it later to match the new kit... which just seems like pouring petrol on the fire.

What a mess.

 

Also, weapons with the Psychic Trait aren't Psychic Weapons (so the era of the pacifist Gal Vorbak is at an end) but Psychic Weapons still need the Psyker special rule to use. Which leads to my follow up questions of "what the heck is the difference?" and "what does the 'Psychic' trait even do?!"

 

Traits do nothing by themself, they are for other rules to interact.

[Xirix]

Out of curiosity of peeps saying they've been getting the box at up to 35% off, I just checked around and found that alchemistsworkshops, where I pre-ordered, have now reduced the price by £18... well, that feels great, punished for ordering on the first Saturday.

Edited Friday at 04:08 PM by Xirix

[Nephaston]

2 minutes ago, Xirix said:

Out of curiosity of peeps saying they've been getting the box at up to 35% off, I just checked around and found that alchemistsworkshops, where I pre-ordered, have now reduced the price by £18... well, that feels great, punished for ordering on the first Saturday.

From what I read the stores offering 35% off now also offered refunds for the difference. Definitely try to contact them, even if they really should've applied it automatically.

[Captain Idaho]

Huh, the product isn't even released yet and they've released an FAQ. That's got to be a new record right? 

 

I mean, such is the quality of this product, so high and flawless a release, GW have released an FAQ before the actual product, because there's absolutely loads of proof-readers and community engagement when it was developed.

 

And totally nothing to do with the community rejection of it.

 

[Lord Marshal]

32 minutes ago, Xirix said:

Out of curiosity of peeps saying they've been getting the box at up to 35% off, I just checked around and found that alchemistsworkshops, where I pre-ordered, have now reduced the price by £18... well, that feels great, punished for ordering on the first Saturday.

 

Looks like they're also doing the 'store credit refund' thing:

 

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It has come to our attention that the price of the Horus Heresy: Saturnine has been reduced by some Independent Retailers and therefore we have taken the decision that we will also reduce our price to £138.00 until the end of July.  A refund in the form of store credit for the difference in price on all existing orders will be completed by end of business tomorrow.

 

[Xirix]

41 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

Looks like they're also doing the 'store credit refund' thing:

 

 

Ah neat, that's fair enough then.

[Sky Potato]

1 hour ago, Captain Idaho said:

Huh, the product isn't even released yet and they've released an FAQ. That's got to be a new record right? 

 

I mean, such is the quality of this product, so high and flawless a release, GW have released an FAQ before the actual product, because there's absolutely loads of proof-readers and community engagement when it was developed.

 

And totally nothing to do with the community rejection of it.

 

Day -1 patches are now a thing then…

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

5 hours ago, Allart01 said:

So Tartaros not having access to powerfists was a genuine mistake after all.

Exactly. So,what are now the "siege Tartaros squads"?

Edited Friday at 06:05 PM by Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf

[Sky Potato]

Are we expecting the legends documents to drop tomorrow?

 

Or was the timeframe for them a bit more vague?

[Matcap86]

1 hour ago, Captain Idaho said:

Huh, the product isn't even released yet and they've released an FAQ. That's got to be a new record right? 

 

I mean, such is the quality of this product, so high and flawless a release, GW have released an FAQ before the actual product, because there's absolutely loads of proof-readers and community engagement when it was developed.

 

And totally nothing to do with the community rejection of it.

 

 

So that's good right? GW listens to their customers and tries to adjust according to feedback? 

 

Sure; perfect round 1 would be nice, but I rather have a reacting company than one that just stonewalls for a year or 5. (Which we've also seen in the past.)

[Robbienw]

Do people seriously not expect there to be a few errors in such a large amount of text?

[Joe]

Have to agree with Robbie - errors like this are pretty common. For example, Custodes somehow made it to print in 1E. Thank you Anuj. 

[01RTB01]

25 minutes ago, Sky Potato said:

Are we expecting the legends documents to drop tomorrow?

 

Or was the timeframe for them a bit more vague?

They did say next week.

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

Hummm.  I still don't understand this

"Page 212 – Psychic Weapons
Change the first sentence of the second paragraph to read:
‘A Model must have the Psyker Trait in order to make attacks with a Psychic Weapon.’ "

"Q: Are a Psychic Weapon and a Weapon with the Psychic

Trait the same thing?

A: No."

 

So,Gal Vorbak can attack.Their weapons are still marked with "Psychic" trait and they aren't Psykers. Which or what is the touch here I'm missing here?

Edited Friday at 06:44 PM by Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf

[Fire Golem]

27 minutes ago, Sky Potato said:

Are we expecting the legends documents to drop tomorrow?

 

Or was the timeframe for them a bit more vague?

 

[Astartes Consul]

25 minutes ago, Joe said:

Have to agree with Robbie - errors like this are pretty common. For example, Custodes somehow made it to print in 1E. Thank you Anuj. 

Ah, the memories! Basically killed off the Black Book cycle by forcing an instant rewrite for the next book, iirc. 

[1ncarnadine]

5 minutes ago, Astartes Consul said:

Ah, the memories! Basically killed off the Black Book cycle by forcing an instant rewrite for the next book, iirc. 

 

Yeah... That was a really rough transition period. I remember the way the Dark Angels rules were completely re-done between the get-you-by rules in Retribution and the ones that released in Crusade. I was tee'd up to do a DA Ravenwing force based around Outriders with rad grenades. Then the newer rules stripped the character from the DA rites, and second edition ran closely with those same ideas. They made the Dreadwing rules I'd been looking forward to an oppressive mess, too. That's a big reason why I skipped second edition.

[caladancid]

Do we know if the Libers or core book will be in digital format? I haven’t seen, or have missed, the news on that. 

[jaxom]

5 hours ago, jaxom said:

My guess: Psychic Weapons are gained from psychic powers and Psychic trait is a physical weapon grouping. It doesn’t do anything by itself but may interact with other rules (like Bolt and Auto interacting with Imperial Fist tactics rule).

@Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf, I think the above is how it works.

 

19 minutes ago, Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf said:

Hummm.  I still don't understand this

"Page 212 – Psychic Weapons
Change the first sentence of the second paragraph to read:
‘A Model must have the Psyker Trait in order to make attacks with a Psychic Weapon.’ "

"Q: Are a Psychic Weapon and a Weapon with the Psychic

Trait the same thing?

A: No."

 

So,Gal Vorbak can attack.Their weapons are still marked with "Psychic" trait and they aren't Psykers. Which or what is the touch here I'm missing here?

 

[Mandragola]

I’ve reviewed the Talons PDF. They keep changing it though, so I’ll go back in and make some updates later. 
 

Here it is for now: https://www.goonhammer.com/first-look-talons-of-the-emperor-in-horus-heresy-third-edition/

[Joe]

5 minutes ago, caladancid said:

Do we know if the Libers or core book will be in digital format? I haven’t seen, or have missed, the news on that. 

 

At some stage. It took Beastmen a few weeks for their digital rules to drop on Warhammer Digital, and we're still waiting on Cathay currently.

[Ripper.McGuirl]

8 minutes ago, Mandragola said:

I’ve reviewed the Talons PDF. They keep changing it though, so I’ll go back in and make some updates later. 
 

Here it is for now: https://www.goonhammer.com/first-look-talons-of-the-emperor-in-horus-heresy-third-edition/

Hmmm interesting they keep changing it.

[Sky Potato]

14 minutes ago, caladancid said:

Do we know if the Libers or core book will be in digital format? I haven’t seen, or have missed, the news on that. 

We don’t know.

 

I emailed customer service, who said they only find out when it goes up on WarCom.

[INKS]

So sisters got gutted hard? or are getting.... ? 

How do you think this reads for 40k? basically no changes right? no new models really.

[1ncarnadine]

The Talons PDF rules only covers the existing miniatures, which tracks with a lot of how this is being handled.

 

I think something that needs to be brought up re: the Talons is the GW policy that ranges should not share models. It leaves the Talons in a particularly weird place, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Custodes range(s) contributed significantly to that policy being put down in the first place. Because FW developed the miniatures, originally in resin but moved immediately to plastic for general release. Then those plastics became a big seller for 40k. 

 

So if the Talons Liber is delayed, it might be because they're planning to more firmly split the 30k and 40k ranges and release more plastics for 30k at that time. Possibly in an army set like the Solar Aux and Mechanicum? Which may (or may not) include an expansion to the range of the SoS. Or that may come later in Journals, at this rate.