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8 minutes ago, Armchair Warlord said:

I doubt one PDF is going to give back 18 legions thei unique flavours and the opportunity to build narrative armies.

This change makes the biggest difference between the legions the color of their paint. It gutted most of the flavor when they dumped the Rites of War.

13 minutes ago, Armchair Warlord said:

I doubt one PDF is going to give back 18 legions thei unique flavours and the opportunity to build narrative armies.

It could. It would need to be roughly 300 pages long and be a whole new set of Libers on its own, resulting in an insane amount of work for writers and players, but it could.

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6 minutes ago, Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf said:

Has anyone notice this? Those Varagyr are in the 3.0 rulebook. Clearly, in GW one hand ignored what the other hand did...

 

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That’s James Karch’s personal collection. 

36 minutes ago, Armchair Warlord said:

I doubt one PDF is going to give back 18 legions thei unique flavours and the opportunity to build narrative armies.

Not sure that was entirely lost but ok.

1 hour ago, OttoVonAwesome said:

So is everyone like ignoring the fact there is gonna be a legacies pdf? 

That's been mentioned several times and responded to several times. Legacies likely won't have all the wargear missing, just some of the units missing.

Got a reply email, I say reply but it was the standard 'thanks for emailing, sorry you feel this way and we'll pass this feedback to the right people'. Nothing solid, but I'd like to wager they've gotten a large amout of emails for the same thing. Not only that, but on the UK site the only ones out of stock so far are the rulebook and the map. On the US site it's just the map. Other kin with better memories can correct me but wasn't a lot of the 2.0 pre-orders out of stock in the first two days in comparison? I've also seen a few facebook and discord posts from some 3rd party sites saying they've had stock free up.

 

 

I would also like to say I love this site. Seeing so many kin on here coming to the same conclusion, echoing my thoughts with more clarity, and discussing it like adults is such an amazing thing. Especially since I work in retail and 90% of people I deal with are idiots....

4 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

I'm sorry but I still don't follow. I have a 5 year old and a job so I get it to some degree. But if you're familiar with 2nd ed, your friends want to keep paying it and so do you then there's 0 financial investment, nothing to learn and no impact to your current schedule.

 

My local friends don't play HH so I'm looking to get them into it. So it's a situation of teaching them a new game and they certainly won't be willing to learn an out of date edition. And convincing them of HH 3.0 at the moment is a tall order.

1 minute ago, Captain Idaho said:

 

My local friends don't play HH so I'm looking to get them into it. So it's a situation of teaching them a new game and they certainly won't be willing to learn an out of date edition. And convincing them of HH 3.0 at the moment is a tall order.

Did they play any of the older (hurts to say that) editions? Pre 8th ed? As the core rules for 2.0 is basically an evolution from those, so maybe that could be a angle you could work?

13 minutes ago, No Foes Remain said:

Got a reply email, I say reply but it was the standard 'thanks for emailing, sorry you feel this way and we'll pass this feedback to the right people'. Nothing solid, but I'd like to wager they've gotten a large amout of emails for the same thing. Not only that, but on the UK site the only ones out of stock so far are the rulebook and the map. On the US site it's just the map. Other kin with better memories can correct me but wasn't a lot of the 2.0 pre-orders out of stock in the first two days in comparison? I've also seen a few facebook and discord posts from some 3rd party sites saying they've had stock free up.

I had noticed this aswell yes, so far the arcane journal, sorry journal tactica, seems to be the thing that goes fastest (or has the lowest stock allocation). It does feel like less of a rush to buy things compared to the AoD box set. That said, I wonder wether it also has to do with the fact that the box doesn't have a plastic spartan in it. Having new plastic kits isn't quite as special as it was 3 years ago so I don't know wether it's just a case of people not wanting to switch alone. That said, I wasn't sold on the box just yet (definately no day one purchase) but the invalidation of a lot of my stuff made me personally opt out alltogether. 

 

As for the PDF, as others have pointed out, it most likely won't bring back option for units in the libers. Just units that aren't in the libers. Aside from the fact that the last PDF was a dumpster fire quality wise, it's the same team writing this one so there's no reason to assume that all off a sudden they have become competent. Also as mahny have pointed out, the legion shave lost a fair bt of flavor from what it looks like, don't think a PDF will fix that either. Ah well, there's always 1.0 or 2.0.

 

22 minutes ago, No Foes Remain said:

Got a reply email, I say reply but it was the standard 'thanks for emailing, sorry you feel this way and we'll pass this feedback to the right people'. Nothing solid, but I'd like to wager they've gotten a large amout of emails for the same thing. Not only that, but on the UK site the only ones out of stock so far are the rulebook and the map. On the US site it's just the map. Other kin with better memories can correct me but wasn't a lot of the 2.0 pre-orders out of stock in the first two days in comparison? I've also seen a few facebook and discord posts from some 3rd party sites saying they've had stock free up.

 

 

I would also like to say I love this site. Seeing so many kin on here coming to the same conclusion, echoing my thoughts with more clarity, and discussing it like adults is such an amazing thing. Especially since I work in retail and 90% of people I deal with are idiots....

 

AoD sold really well from memory. Anecdotally, locally there's only 2 within our group that have ordered copies of saturnine. For AoD I got 2 myself plus at least 8 others between people. 

 

We may not know the sales figures but certainly, locally, it's not been well received.

 

It's also interesting that on the GW site you can order 10 copies if so inclined. This is very different to the normal 1.

11 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

AoD sold really well from memory. Anecdotally, locally there's only 2 within our group that have ordered copies of saturnine. For AoD I got 2 myself plus at least 8 others between people. 

 

We may not know the sales figures but certainly, locally, it's not been well received.

 

It's also interesting that on the GW site you can order 10 copies if so inclined. This is very different to the normal 1.

I saw a lot of them pop up on Ebay as either normal sales or custom commission orders. Plenty of people doing pre-sale for parts of the box. 

6 minutes ago, Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf said:

SoH, except Horus Lupercal both versions, no special characters 

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The sheets for the rest of their cast is floating around the web, they got like 6 and with full model support plus the consul.

 

Its kind of funny that their unique tank commander is wargear though. You count him and their rules has 7 characters, which is fair enough, its their show after all. 

 

...Still going to be greedy and hope Torgadden gets a model one day.

38 minutes ago, No Foes Remain said:

Did they play any of the older (hurts to say that) editions? Pre 8th ed? As the core rules for 2.0 is basically an evolution from those, so maybe that could be a angle you could work?

 

A couple guys played 3rd, 4th killed the gaming group until warhammer fantasy 8th edition.

 

So slim chance but maybe I can wangle something.

4 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

 

A couple guys played 3rd, 4th killed the gaming group until warhammer fantasy 8th edition.

 

So slim chance but maybe I can wangle something.

When in doubt, bribe them with food and/or beverages if you are able to.

46 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

AoD sold really well from memory. Anecdotally, locally there's only 2 within our group that have ordered copies of saturnine. For AoD I got 2 myself plus at least 8 others between people. 

 

We may not know the sales figures but certainly, locally, it's not been well received.

 

It's also interesting that on the GW site you can order 10 copies if so inclined. This is very different to the normal 1.

 

TBH Age of Darkness was also more interesting to get. I'd argue the contemptor and spartan were bigger universal draws than the marmite saturnine termies and dread. 

With the new Nintendo launch I saw a new phase namely 'weaponised nostalgia'. GW really are the masters of this. However, they may have got it very wrong with this release. 

 

If you're excited for everything that is coming then great. If you are not then it may be time to assess where you're at with the hobby.  :angel:

5 minutes ago, Matcap86 said:

 

TBH Age of Darkness was also more interesting to get. I'd argue the contemptor and spartan were bigger universal draws than the marmite saturnine termies and dread. 

I don't know if it's just me, but Age of Darkness felt bigger than Saturnine despite them having (sort of) the same model count. 1 large (spartan, big dread) 1 medium (contemptor, gun platform) 2 HQs, termies and 40 tacticals.

1 minute ago, No Foes Remain said:

I don't know if it's just me, but Age of Darkness felt bigger than Saturnine despite them having (sort of) the same model count. 1 large (spartan, big dread) 1 medium (contemptor, gun platform) 2 HQs, termies and 40 tacticals.

The gun platform is massive but quite uninteresting.

3 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

The gun platform is massive but quite uninteresting.

Its rules are kind of neat, Sky-Fire in an edition where, from a brief glance, flyers are much more useful and 10 pretty strong shots. So it can reliably maim alot of threats.

 

Plus the 5++ bubble in an edition where you can't try to shroud or Night Fight away from your problems. 

 

I mean, I am probably going to trade mine since I don't have much interest in gunlines but I could see IW-esque lists loving those.

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I was excited about Saturnine.  I like what I've heard about the core rules.   I already have alpha legion, ultramarines and word bearers armies and was planning on starting imperial fists to balance the scales. But now I'm on pause while I figure out if/how I make my existing armies legal.   This kind of thing has been happening with my 40k armies, but by the nature of the way HH rules are published (which is otherwise a good thing) it's a problem for all my 30k armies at once.

 

You can see in another thread on this very forum that I just bought a couple of new 40k drop pods despite reservations about the new kit, and actually I'm quite happy with them. But Saturnine and two libers is an order of magnitude more investment and I'm not jumping in.

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