Mmmmm Napalm Posted Monday at 09:56 AM Share Posted Monday at 09:56 AM (edited) 50 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said: Aw. Not many new colour plates? Had hoped that the absence of 'man reads book' videos would mean I'd get a pleasant surprise with some colour plates Spoiler I saw this one in a video. i'm not familiar with previous NL color plates, but a cursory google search didnt come up with any matches. The lighting and angle of the helm looks more like newer colour plates as well. Edited Monday at 09:56 AM by Mmmmm Napalm Marshal Loss and painting.for.my.sanity 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted Monday at 10:00 AM Share Posted Monday at 10:00 AM Yes, that's one of the updated Mark IV colour plates. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinzD Posted Monday at 10:03 AM Share Posted Monday at 10:03 AM Since the Mega folders got taken down, anyone got a new pdf with hereticus leaks, everyone only seems to have the liber astartes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted Monday at 10:05 AM Share Posted Monday at 10:05 AM 2 minutes ago, HeinzD said: Since the Mega folders got taken down, anyone got a new pdf with hereticus leaks, everyone only seems to have the liber astartes Ha I regret not downloading the Liber ones, assuming they'd be there forever... Oops. Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf and HeinzD 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted Monday at 10:33 AM Share Posted Monday at 10:33 AM The overly wordy rules isn't new - 4th edition had several paragraphs on how to roll dice, but now we all know what a D3 is, what unit coherency is, what a reroll is, how to use a tape measure and so on that actually reading those rules somehow makes less sense than following your own intuition. For example, we all know now how to resolve 80% of a shooting phase - select a unit, select a target, roll for hits, wounds and saves - the missing 20% is what changes from edition to edition; save modifiers or AP, multiple damage weapons or Instant Death, target priority, split fire, templates, wound allocation etc. So it feels frustrating having to read 80% of a rule set because you already know it by heart and have done for years or decades, but you still need to read it because something might've changed this time. Aarik, Antarius and Mandragola 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylerboodie Posted Monday at 11:14 AM Share Posted Monday at 11:14 AM 15 hours ago, Sigismund's Ghost said: I shot off an email as well. 14 of my armies aren’t viable without major rework, and without RoW they’ll never work the same way again. Slapping in a couple centurions isn’t fixing anything. Every single army has models that are no longer valid. I included pictures so they don’t think I’m blowing smoke. It's not the fact that you have collected armies for all eighteen legions, but that they're ~ all painted ~ that is so impressive! Kudos brother. stretch_135, LameBeard, derLumpi and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogger351 Posted Monday at 11:15 AM Share Posted Monday at 11:15 AM Seeing more discounts and aggressive marketing going around, some shops over bought maybe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted Monday at 11:44 AM Share Posted Monday at 11:44 AM Marketing yes, discounts no. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uprising Posted Monday at 11:58 AM Share Posted Monday at 11:58 AM At this moment the box set is currently on average 267.75 USD on ebay. If this is anything like how AOS Dominion and skaventide goes, we should see a 30% to 40% asking price in a few months if this does not sell well. The age of darkness box did hold it value on the second hand market very well. MasterBlaster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted Monday at 12:06 PM Share Posted Monday at 12:06 PM 16 hours ago, Sigismund's Ghost said: I shot off an email as well. 14 of my armies aren’t viable without major rework, and without RoW they’ll never work the same way again. Slapping in a couple centurions isn’t fixing anything. Every single army has models that are no longer valid. I included pictures so they don’t think I’m blowing smoke. First of all: You mad lad. I am stunned. We are gonna do an HH Event end of august in germany and since I make it and thi k GW :cuss:ed up big time this time I gonna implement the rule that if an army has lost options they can just buy them by the wargear list and be done with it. That doesn't fix every priblem of course and likely produce new balance issues but I don't give a flying :cuss: because telling people like you, like me or anyone else to go and f themselves just because some greedy suit in GW HQ needs to "gotta pump those numbers up" is not my style and borderline stupid. Maybe other organisators will follow suit. derLumpi, Deus_Ex_Machina, Brother Sutek and 4 others 4 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted Monday at 02:00 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:00 PM 15 hours ago, Sigismund's Ghost said: It’s quite a contest. The apothecaries are competing with the IF reaction where they shoot themselves. Anyone else feel like they've just had stroke trying to read that? Aarik, Hungry Nostraman Lizard, 01RTB01 and 18 others 6 13 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogger351 Posted Monday at 02:08 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:08 PM 7 minutes ago, KJB said: Anyone else feel like they've just had stroke trying to read that? Isn't that all the rules in this edition? Aarik 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doobles57 Posted Monday at 02:19 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:19 PM 17 minutes ago, KJB said: Anyone else feel like they've just had stroke trying to read that? It's a lot of words to say "if your opponent moves within 10" of one of your non-vehicle IF units, you can use a reaction point to shoot at them with that unit." Mandragola 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Sutek Posted Monday at 02:27 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:27 PM 27 minutes ago, KJB said: Anyone else feel like they've just had stroke trying to read that? Word salad is a real thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted Monday at 02:40 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:40 PM 21 minutes ago, Doobles57 said: It's a lot of words to say "if your opponent moves within 10" of one of your non-vehicle IF units, you can use a reaction point to shoot at them with that unit." Oh no, not at the unit moving into ten inches. Yourself. The reaction targets the reacting unit. Xenith and Aarik 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Ex_Machina Posted Monday at 02:48 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:48 PM 3 hours ago, skylerboodie said: It's not the fact that you have collected armies for all eighteen legions, but that they're ~ all painted ~ that is so impressive! Kudos brother. That´s a terrific collection. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Ex_Machina Posted Monday at 02:51 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:51 PM 2 hours ago, Gorgoff said: First of all: You mad lad. I am stunned. We are gonna do an HH Event end of august in germany and since I make it and thi k GW :cuss:ed up big time this time I gonna implement the rule that if an army has lost options they can just buy them by the wargear list and be done with it. That doesn't fix every priblem of course and likely produce new balance issues but I don't give a flying because telling people like you, like me or anyone else to go and f themselves just because some greedy suit in GW HQ needs to "gotta pump those numbers up" is not my style and borderline stupid. Maybe other organisators will follow suit. I can see the majority of HH events allowing units to be equipped like in HH 2.0. 51 minutes ago, KJB said: Anyone else feel like they've just had stroke trying to read that? Why are you complaining? They had a "Trigger" warning right at the start. Gorgoff, apologist, phandaal and 3 others 5 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSM Posted Monday at 02:53 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:53 PM 42 minutes ago, KJB said: Anyone else feel like they've just had stroke trying to read that? Reminds me of Mark Twain's opinion of German: "...it was borne in upon me that I was standing in the awful presence of the Mother of the German Language. I was so impressed with this, that sometimes when she began to empty one of these sentences on me I unconsciously took the very attitude of reverence, and stood uncovered; and if words had been water, I had been drowned, sure. She had exactly the German way; whatever was in her mind to be delivered, whether a mere remark, or a sermon, or a cyclopedia, or the history of a war, she would get it into a single sentence or die. Whenever the literary German dives into a sentence, that is the last you are going to see of him till he emerges on the other side of his Atlantic with his verb in his mouth." LameBeard, Aarik, Iron Father Ferrum and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhavien Posted Monday at 02:53 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:53 PM I feel sorry for the HH community. This is a major f up from GW against their customers. One one side you have those with models which are invalid now, on the other side you have ppl alienated by the rules, loss of options and other issues with 3.0. I really really hope, that somehow this tragedy will have a good ending. Reminds my of the AoS start. No points, whacky rules and a deeply frustrated community. Aarik, CrusaderXIII, jaxom and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doobles57 Posted Monday at 02:59 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:59 PM 18 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said: Oh no, not at the unit moving into ten inches. Yourself. The reaction targets the reacting unit. It is a pretty sizable typo in terms of how it affects the rule I do think that if you're going to insist in the most convoluted legalese rules writing then the need for thorough proofreading is all the greater. I'm still at a loss as to who this writing style is aimed at. The rules might be fantastic but if they're this painful to read then it's never going to matter. LameBeard, Noctis, Antarius and 2 others 1 2 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Ex_Machina Posted Monday at 03:05 PM Share Posted Monday at 03:05 PM 18 hours ago, Lord Marshal said: I'm going to take a post to shill Battle Bunnies' fantastic Saturnine Dreadnought, because it's telling what a more grungy, weathered paint job and a better pose has done for it (also just because I found it informative): Sorry to rain on your parade frater but that Dread has already become old news in our fast-paced times. This is what modern Death Guard armies field nowadays: Cute robot joins Nvidia CEO on stage in Paris - YouTube Lord Marshal 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephaston Posted Monday at 03:19 PM Share Posted Monday at 03:19 PM Designers Afterword for everyone's reading pleasure skylerboodie, Brofist, MasterBlaster and 2 others 3 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted Monday at 03:25 PM Share Posted Monday at 03:25 PM 1 hour ago, KJB said: Anyone else feel like they've just had stroke trying to read that? It reminds me of when I was at university and had to hit the minimum word count for an essay The Yak 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apologist Posted Monday at 03:29 PM Share Posted Monday at 03:29 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, Mogger351 said: Isn't that all the rules in this edition? Not only this edition, but in the setting in general! Legions Imperialis also suffers from this style of rules writing. It's a Catch-22 – compare the examples below ; the first from Epic: Space Marine 2nd edition, the second from Legions Imperialis. The former is brief, conversational and anecdotal (i.e. giving a single example); the second is more in-depth, formal and general. I think the SM2 version is easier to read, while the LI version covers more of the inevitable edge cases. The older style of writing rules was more open to misinterpretation and (in some cases) people playing in bad faith. On the other hand, because it's less abstract than the newer style, it's easier to take in, in turn making the game easier to learn. I really dislike the new style of writing. While it gains a small measure of clarity, it makes reading onerous; and I think that colours the way people approach the game. Is it better to try to legislate for people taking the **** by writing in such a legalistic way? I don't think so. Better instead to have a brief summary in naturalistic language, with the 'legal stuff' boxed out nearby. +++ To take Bastion of Fire as an example, I think a naturalistic couple of sentences accompanied by a list of bullets is not only more enjoyable and immersive, but clearer too. If you play in good faith, you can get away with just the basic text, but the 'legal terms' are there in case there's an disagreement or different interpretation. Compare: Edited Monday at 03:35 PM by apologist Antarius, Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf, stretch_135 and 7 others 1 8 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted Monday at 03:38 PM Share Posted Monday at 03:38 PM I was talking with a friend and going over all of this, we came to the idea that this was pushed out before it was finished as GW had a open slot for a bit game and this was picked to fill it. It sort of looks like late game editing wasn't done so a lot of things weren't picked up on, like the lengthy rules wording and the random circular rules like the medic ones which doesn't seem to make any sense. It would match up as Andy and Neil have been writing solid rules for over a decade now, since both were part of the Imperial Armour books alongside Alan, and it just seems very strange that all of this mess in 3.0 would come from a project they are heading up. painting.for.my.sanity, jaxom, lokkorex and 2 others 2 1 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385821-new-edition-or-just-horus-hearsay/page/150/#findComment-6121682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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