Horus Heresy New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[phandaal]

7 minutes ago, INKS said:

yeah the response is meant to seem that way because it's silly, why would they but both on the box?

 

GW does put that on their boxes though. Both warning labels. I could go out and grab one from my garage right now and take a pic to prove it (but I won't, because there is no convincing someone if they think this is fake).

[Taliesin]

Saturnine Dreadnought looks magnificent.

Curious about what new lore might be in the 3rd edition rulebook, whether or not it will have a lore section dedicated to the Istvaan 5 clash.

[LightningClawLeonard]

18 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

It seems to be GW's pattern with AOS, HH and 40K on a rotating 3 year release cycle. That gives them a big splash release every summer to help drive sales

Yeah, and I think that’s the additional, deeper concern/distaste that people have for this new edition. Beyond 3.0 in and of itself, its release after three years now makes it seems possible, or even likely, that this will continue to happen every three years indefinitely, just like 40K and AoS.

[INKS]

5 minutes ago, phandaal said:

 

GW does put that on their boxes though. Both warning labels. I could go out and grab one from my garage right now and take a pic to prove it (but I won't, because there is no convincing someone if they think this is fake).

that is one point among many on why it could be fake. and the inverse is true. there is also no convincing those who think it's real...

[phandaal]

4 minutes ago, INKS said:

that is one point among many on why it could be fake. and the inverse is true. there is also no convincing those who think it's real...

 

Exactly why I am not going to bother posting a pic. I have been on the Internet long enough to know how the pivot works. 

 

Also, I know the "disagree" is really a "dislike," but it is objectively true that GW puts both the "0-3" baby picture and the "12+" label on their boxes. It is not something to be agreed or disagreed with, it can only observed as a fact.

[Spagunk]

As far as Saturnine interpretations go, these are probably the best interpretation I've seen. That said, I really am not a fan of Saturnine generally. I had hoped they'd make them look more like the shoulders on Leviathan dreadnoughts. Instead they went harder into the Custodes "telemon" egg shaped.

 

Just another 40k "centurion" mobile suit.  

[Doobles57]

40 minutes ago, INKS said:

oh there is a 3rd edition box, this just isn't it.

So are you saying that someone took the rumoured contents of the 3rd edition box, designed a set of brand new models to match that exactly, gave them all an on brand paint scheme and designed a box to perfectly match the 30k branding complete with small print. 

 

Does that seem more or less likely than a photo of a product which will have been in production for a while now being leaked?

[01RTB01]

29 minutes ago, INKS said:

that is one point among many on why it could be fake. and the inverse is true. there is also no convincing those who think it's real...

Why are you trolling?

[INKS]

30 minutes ago, phandaal said:

 

Exactly why I am not going to bother posting a pic. I have been on the Internet long enough to know how the pivot works. 

 

Also, I know the "disagree" is really a "dislike," but it is objectively true that GW puts both the "0-3" baby picture and the "12+" label on their boxes. It is not something to be agreed or disagreed with, it can only observed as a fact.

I am sharing my opinion like everyone else here in the thread. You are free to disagree with that opinion. You can choose to engage with it or not. But that isn't a reason to be rude or condescending.

 

You made a good point that those icons are on the box already. But you followed it up with "I am not going to bother because you think it's fake" There was no need for that.

 

The disagree isn't a dislike. It's that I disagree with your approach to talking to other members of the board in the way you choose to.  I also think it's possible for it to be a fake. Just like it's possible for it to be very real.  You assumed, and wrongfully so, that I disagreed with the icon being on the box, that wasn't the case.

 

You can look at my responses here in the thread. No one else was rude in disagreeing with me, no one else used the "I am not going to bother because there is no convincing you" No one else insinuated it being a waste of their time. Maybe you didn't mean to come across as rude or condescending, but that is how it read.

 

11 minutes ago, Doobles57 said:

So are you saying that someone took the rumoured contents of the 3rd edition box, designed a set of brand new models to match that exactly, gave them all an on brand paint scheme and designed a box to perfectly match the 30k branding complete with small print. 

 

Does that seem more or less likely than a photo of a product which will have been in production for a while now being leaked?

It could be real but it is missing some things that should be there. the dice for example.

10 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

Why are you trolling?

Just had this conversation with someone else. I am not trolling. Don't be rude.

 

"Trolling refers to someone deliberately posting offensive, inflammatory, or irrelevant comments online to upset or antagonize others, often for attention or to cause trouble. It's a form of online harassment or bullying, and can range from making hurtful or offensive statements to engaging in disruptive behavior like spamming or derailment"

 

1: I was replying to another comment that was along the same vein. It wasn't irrelevant, offensive or inflammatory unless you think the other post was also this. In which case then both people are trolling?

2: Your response is trolling. By calling me out personally and accusing me disrupting and derailing the conversation. Which you are now doing and posting something that is irrelevant to the conversation at hand by also trying to antagonize me.

Edited May 13 by INKS

[Karhedron]

39 minutes ago, Taliesin said:

Saturnine Dreadnought looks magnificent.

 

I agree. I am not so taken with the Terminators but maybe better pictures will change my mind. I don't play HH but I am wondering if I can proxy the Dread as some flavour of Primaris Dread.

[DemonGSides]

Just now, Karhedron said:

 

I agree. I am not so taken with the Terminators but maybe better pictures will change my mind. I don't play HH but I am wondering if I can proxy the Dread as some flavour of Primaris Dread.

 

I'd love to see one standing next to a redemptor. It's gotta be close. 

[Robbienw]

There is no way anyone actually believes this is fake 

 

 

1 minute ago, DemonGSides said:

 

I'd love to see one standing next to a redemptor. It's gotta be close. 

Would be embarrassing for the Redemptor.

[Doobles57]

5 minutes ago, INKS said:

 

It could be real but it is missing some things that should be there. the dice for example.

Take a closer look at the pile of white cubes in front of the rulebook....

 

[TheMawr]

I see this brought up by all kind of sides of the conversation.

 

But am I wrong in assuming that it is HIGHLY unlikely that GW uses the pictures the leaker made ?

I personally think they went to the "extra" effort to photoshop their own full res pictures to have similar lighting and perspective to the leaker his picture, but the pictures on their site are unlikely to be crops of that leaked picture. I think there are all kind of legal consequences there if the leaker didnt give consent ( not to mention there is no magical enhancement thing that clears a picture up that much, and why should they.. they have the original files.) despite it being a picture of their product/ip, the leaker is still the copyright owner of that particular picture. And at least here I have seen lawsuits against companies for similar situations in the past. ( though if facebook, there is some waving of rights of a picture I think ? however that still doesnt free GW to use it, I think only FB can.. and I believe even there its a muddy situation.)

 

And @INKS this applies here too... even more so, replace in the above text leaker into faker, but at that point the GW site is not just using a photograph of their product without consent, its using someone's actual creation without consent, wich afaik goes beyond the gray zone of the above and into copyright infringement by GW territory.. I dont think they would risk that, and wether its a leaker or a faker.. I dont see GW going out and ask consent to use the picture either.

[Doghouse]

I can see what they are going for and it gives a nice early crusade theme feel to me but I really am not a fan of the style of the Terminators or the Dreadnought so will probably pass on this one completely. Nice to see Mk II plastics as it really should be quite prominent at the time of the Heresy.

 

I think it'd be cool if the terminators were mini dreadnoughts.

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

A new contender enters the worst possible photo challenge. Could the edging be with GW consent?

 

[TheMawr]

As so often with these things I forget to react on the actual things seen, though horus heresy isnt really my flavor I do love what I can see of the Saturnine Praetorian the same way I loved the 2nd edition starter praetorians.
I wonder if he would be a good basis for a TS terminator armor sorcerer lord ( probably too big ? )

I also think that right there could be my second favorite dreadnought ( first favorite remains what for me is the original.. the one from star quest, even if I think its not the first dreadnought.) and a dreadnought I could see myself buying for one project or another eventually. ( my spacemarine wants list is slowly growing in unfeasable directions for an army XD .. The Lion (40k DA), the Sword Brethern (40k BT), the Wolfpriest (40k SW), basically the entire heroes of the chapter sprue from indomitus, some HH bits and bobs.. whats the best way to mix all of that haha.)

 

The Saturnine terminators I also like, they do look more like robots than terminators though ( wonder if those that dont like the sekhetar can use those as proxies there.)

I think the salamanders paintjob sells it all as well, that one seems to be very nice.. not sons of horus nice, but nice nonetheless. I might be learning I have a soft spot for the green paintjobs here...

 

the rest look like spacemarines

 

edit : its probably the scarablike quality that makes the saturnines feel so fitting to thousand sons to me.

Edited May 13 by TheMawr

[INKS]

25 minutes ago, Doobles57 said:

Take a closer look at the pile of white cubes in front of the rulebook....

 

I am sorry, I am not trying to be difficult but I literally can not see anything other than some squares in that terrible picture.

 

18 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

I see this brought up by all kind of sides of the conversation.

 

But am I wrong in assuming that it is HIGHLY unlikely that GW uses the pictures the leaker made ?

I personally think they went to the "extra" effort to photoshop their own full res pictures to have similar lighting and perspective to the leaker his picture, but the pictures on their site are unlikely to be crops of that leaked picture. I think there are all kind of legal consequences there if the leaker didnt give consent ( not to mention there is no magical enhancement thing that clears a picture up that much, and why should they.. they have the original files.) despite it being a picture of their product/ip, the leaker is still the copyright owner of that particular picture. And at least here I have seen lawsuits against companies for similar situations in the past. ( though if facebook, there is some waving of rights of a picture I think ? however that still doesnt free GW to use it, I think only FB can.. and I believe even there its a muddy situation.)

 

And @INKS this applies here too... even more so, replace in the above text leaker into faker, but at that point the GW site is not just using a photograph of their product without consent, its using someone's actual creation without consent, wich afaik goes beyond the gray zone of the above and into copyright infringement by GW territory.. I dont think they would risk that, and wether its a leaker or a faker.. I dont see GW going out and ask consent to use the picture either.

I mean you do make a good point. Are they likely to use someone else fake image to poke holes in it? Normally I would say no. However why was it posted for sale? If GW was faking this on their own how far are they willing to go with it? Would they really post it for sale?  It's since been taken down but it was up there on market place for a short time. That doesn't seem legal either? I am not a lawyer so I will defer to those who know the law better than I do but is there some stance or legs to stand on for them using the fake image even if not theirs to discredit it in some way?  I do understand and realize that their funny site is not the best source of "this is fake". I do think there is probably more credit like many others have been pointing out that it's real.

This is them making fun of themselves... it's just so out of character for them and a new way to approach it. Not saying that it's a bad way to go about it, just very out of character for them.

[Mana]

The pictures on the hearsay site are of higher quality than the ones leaked so far. Also there is a new very out of focus picture of the back of the box next to a closed window in /tg/ in the heresy general (It's the one Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla posted!).

 

This is all so weird to me still, like a marketing campaign from some marketing firm. I don't think the leak is fake, but if were, the only way it could work is if it's all being done by GW as part of a marketing campaign. I will say again, I think the leak is real, those minis look real.

 

Honestly I just want to know the rules changes and the direction GW is taking the game, the new saturnine units are fine, but they are not my thing. Mark2 is also fine, but I like mk3 better, so this box is not for me.

[Cenobite Terminator]

They are definitely dice.

[CL_Mission]

17 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

I see this brought up by all kind of sides of the conversation.

 

But am I wrong in assuming that it is HIGHLY unlikely that GW uses the pictures the leaker made ?

I personally think they went to the "extra" effort to photoshop their own full res pictures to have similar lighting and perspective to the leaker his picture, but the pictures on their site are unlikely to be crops of that leaked picture. I think there are all kind of legal consequences there if the leaker didnt give consent ( not to mention there is no magical enhancement thing that clears a picture up that much, and why should they.. they have the original files.) despite it being a picture of their product/ip, the leaker is still the copyright owner of that particular picture. And at least here I have seen lawsuits against companies for similar situations in the past. ( though if facebook, there is some waving of rights of a picture I think ? however that still doesnt free GW to use it, I think only FB can.. and I believe even there its a muddy situation.)

Hard to put my finger on it exactly but I certainly feel like the GW pictures are different. They feel better quality and when I look at the "enhanced" leaked image and the ones on the Hearsay website, especially of the dread, I feel like I can pick out more details.

 

9 minutes ago, Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla said:

A new contender enters the worst possible photo challenge. Could the edging be with GW consent?

 

The termies look less squat in this image which is a good thing, they're really big lads, dang.

[Marshal Reinhard]

When the leaks were posted on their own site, it should have dispelled any and all remaining doubt anyone could've had. I cannot fathom how you still can maintain doubt now.

[Indy Techwisp]

16 minutes ago, Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla said:

A new contender enters the worst possible photo challenge. Could the edging be with GW consent?

 

 

Are we sure that "Mystery Gun" the Mk.II Veteran has isn't just an Assault Cannon/Soulreaper type Minigun-thing? Or some kind of Marine-Sized Lasfusil?

[Marshal Rohr]

34 minutes ago, Doobles57 said:

Take a closer look at the pile of white cubes in front of the rulebook....

 

I’m sorry, those are not dice, those are patented Games Workshop decahedronal numerical outcome generators. The difference between the dice is the one is a skull and you pay sixty dollars for them. 

[Doobles57]

11 minutes ago, INKS said:

I am sorry, I am not trying to be difficult but I literally can not see anything other than some squares in that terrible picture.

Just zoom in....

They're the same standard white dice that shipped in the 2nd edition and Old World boxes.

If you can't make out that those are dice then I'm out of ideas.