Horus Heresy New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[roryokane]

1 hour ago, Brofist said:

So... we gonna start a betting pool for next week?

I bet one Mk VI pauldron with molecular bonding studs that it won't drop until Friday at the earliest.

[MDops]

Heresy Thursday would be my guess

[BitsHammer]

25 minutes ago, MDops said:

Heresy Thursday would be my guess

Isn't a thing anymore.

 

So....are we burning an effigy of James Workshop or do we wait another week first?

[Gorgoff]

We should start writing sn email with "Where is the legacy pdf, James?" Every day until it drops. 

[Doghouse]

8 hours ago, roryokane said:

I bet one Mk VI pauldron with molecular bonding studs that it won't drop until Friday at the earliest.

 

I think that's a bet you may win, I'm pretty sure they're changing the PDF at the moment to address people's concerns and Friday is a prime day to drop and walk away for the weekend in business circles. Not saying it will be bad just tends to be standard practice in most business.

 

I'm hoping they keep the options of second, looking at the new libers has killed any thoughts I had of potentially trying out the game because the options are just so bland. It's like chewing gum you've been chewing for ages, the flavour is gone but you still keep chewing rather than spit it out and get some fresh gum.

 

If they can inject enough of HH2 unit options into the game to give it character then I may be on board.

 

The journal I looked at was quite interesting and I quite like the idea of the Auger Command and Control unit but I'm still on the fence for now.

 

 

[Brofist]

10 hours ago, roryokane said:

I bet one Mk VI pauldron with molecular bonding studs that it won't drop until Friday at the earliest.

 

Just for fun, I'm gonna bet Thursday. If I get it wrong, I'll convert a custom Dark Sons of Death squad.

 

Who else is feeling brave?

[Mendi Warrior]

I haven't seen if anyone did a computation of the value of the Saturnine box's content. I just did one based on the prices for the individual elements. I arrive at a total value of £435.25.

 

Based on that, at £195 before any discounts, the Saturnine box was offered for 44.8% of its total value. Quite nice savings.

 

For those who bought from third party retailers offering 35% discount to the full retail price, that equates to buying the box for 29.12% of its total value.

 

Araknae Quad Accelerator Platform (1)	42,50	1	42,50
Centurion with Power Maul (1)	24,00	1	24,00
Saturnine Praetor (1)	31,50	1	31,50
Saturnine Terminator Squad (6)	47,50	1,5	71,25
MKII Tactical Squad (40)	52,50	2	105,00
Disintegrator Weapons Upgrade Set (1)	18,00	1	18,00
Saturnine Siege Dreadnought – Chiron Configuration (1)	67,50	1	67,50
Warhammer: The Horus Heresy – Age of Darkness Rulebook	44,00	1	44,00
Age of Darkness Markers and Tokens	15,00	1	15,00
Universal Markers	9,00	1	9,00
Dices	7,50	1	7,50
			435,25

[Gorgoff]

2 hours ago, Brofist said:

 

Just for fun, I'm gonna bet Thursday. If I get it wrong, I'll convert a custom Dark Sons of Death squad.

 

Who else is feeling brave?

I say.... WOTANS DAY.

If not I'd have to built my Caestus Assault Ram!

Anyone care to make a list of bets and prices if failure?

[BitsHammer]

You know, considering today is the big Saturnine push I kind of expected the Saturn Journal to be in the pre-order.

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

19 hours ago, roryokane said:

I bet one Mk VI pauldron with molecular bonding studs that it won't drop until Friday at the earliest.

A full pauldron?! Pretty bold move when you could have stayed on the safe side and only wagered half of a Mk VI pauldron. You like to live on the edge, don´t cha?

[Urauloth]

Losing half a Mk.VI pauldron would be worse, I'd argue.

The full price of the Saturnine dread and TDA kits... well, I shouldn't be surprised, but yikes. Makes me nervous about how much the new Cataphractii might be.

[Gorgoff]

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

1 hour ago, Gorgoff said:

I feel...pain. A lot of pain

[jaxom]

2 hours ago, Gorgoff said:

I’d do it it too, it makes so much sense instead of having to lug the lore around; and spiral binding is easier to flip through.

[Gorgoff]

1 hour ago, jaxom said:

I’d do it it too, it makes so much sense instead of having to lug the lore around; and spiral binding is easier to flip through.

Incredible idea.

[N1SB]

22 hours ago, Gorgoff said:

We should start writing sn email with "Where is the legacy pdf, James?" Every day until it drops. 

 

So with you.  Literally waiting for it to finalise my own list.

 

Only thing that holds me back is we shouldn't rush them, they don't react well with rushed timelines.  I'd rather they take their time and get it right instead of rushing it out with a Day 1 FAQ that causes more confusion after.  'Cos I was reading the Challenge rules and I don't think I understand them.

[Razorblade]

23 hours ago, Brofist said:

 

Just for fun, I'm gonna bet Thursday. If I get it wrong, I'll convert a custom Dark Sons of Death squad.

 

Who else is feeling brave?

If it drops next week at all I'm building a tactical squad to actually play a game of this edition

[Doghouse]

I'm currently trying to see if I can put together a small force but finding information is surprisingly difficult to locate given that Youtubers are normally all over this stuff and there is in depth coverage. It feels like beyond the drama not many are covering it, which with the three year cycle where we could potentially see these books being scrapped, it's really difficult to go into this with enthusiasm or not feeling like the rug is going to be pulled from under me again. There is a lot of change to adapt to and it's hard to justify investing my free time.

 

I am more than happy to try this game but they're not making it easy. I must admit my jaw hit the floor at how bare bones the units are and it seems their embracing conversions is along the lines of take turret from this and stick it on that tank and feels very hand holding. I had high hopes for reviving my Veterans army visualizing them as a proto-tactical unit with a heavy weapon and special weapon oozing with character only to have my bubble burst by the combi weapons/disintegrators/bolters limited load out and a pitiful selection of two heavier disintegrator weapons as heavy options. As I am wanting these to backwards compatible with second edition Heresy and 4th edition 40k it's a real downer to be honest. I'm also reluctant to buy into Saturnine for the same reason.

 

I am hoping the PDF will allow me to salvage my Death Guard guys I was working on during second edition. 

 

[roryokane]

16 hours ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

A full pauldron?! Pretty bold move when you could have stayed on the safe side and only wagered half of a Mk VI pauldron. You like to live on the edge, don´t cha?

Don’t think I currently have any spare two-parters. Fortunately every 40K tactical squad sprue comes with a studded Mk VI pauldron. ;) 

[Doctor Perils]

10 hours ago, Doghouse said:

I had high hopes for reviving my Veterans army visualizing them as a proto-tactical unit with a heavy weapon and special weapon oozing with character only to have my bubble burst by the combi weapons/disintegrators/bolters limited load out and a pitiful selection of two heavier disintegrator weapons as heavy options.

Veteran Tactical Squads have access to the legion special weapons list and the legion heavy weapons list for 1per5 models

[Sigismund's Ghost]

They are a ranged unit now, losing the ability to even take chainswords.

[Bung]

10 hours ago, Sigismund's Ghost said:

They are a ranged unit now, losing the ability to even take chainswords.

 

Which doesnt really matter with the rules. Chain Bajonett and Chainswords have the same Profile, so you still can use your models with normal Bolter and Chainsword.

Second, you dont gat any bonus attacks for 2 Close Combat Weapons or Pistol + Close Combat Weapon.

[TheTrans]

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_04-08_warhammer_the_horus_heresy_legacies_of_the_age_of_darkness-kwblao0gdd-aidm8yitdu.pdf

Legacy Dropped.

207 pages. Looking at it I feel its better balanced (not hard) than 2.0.

Do I think it was originally going to release with 207 pages including every skerric of lost wargear.. no I dont. 

[Sigismund's Ghost]

4 hours ago, Bung said:

 

Which doesnt really matter with the rules. Chain Bajonett and Chainswords have the same Profile, so you still can use your models with normal Bolter and Chainsword.

Second, you dont gat any bonus attacks for 2 Close Combat Weapons or Pistol + Close Combat Weapon.

BS5 and WS4 now, not as good for melee. No more power weapons, charnabal blades, or lightning claws for the squad. If you built them that way James will sell you a nice new box of models…

Edited August 4 by Sigismund's Ghost

[Loishy]

 

1 hour ago, TheTrans said:

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_04-08_warhammer_the_horus_heresy_legacies_of_the_age_of_darkness-kwblao0gdd-aidm8yitdu.pdf

Legacy Dropped.

207 pages. Looking at it I feel its better balanced (not hard) than 2.0.

Do I think it was originally going to release with 207 pages including every skerric of lost wargear.. no I dont. 

 

I don't understand the purpose now of the siege tartaros with the previous errata. They can all have heavy ranged weapon and that's it ? 

 

I may have missed something, but I don't see any indication that all consuls can have their old equipment.