New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[Astartes Consul]

First person to work out if this is new or from some random other kit gets a cookie...  

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJbd6H6s1In/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== 

 

 

[Matcap86]

These are all the teaser images sofar:

 

[Mr Farson]

Just now, Matcap86 said:

These are all the teaser images sofar:

 

 The middle is a saturine shoulder pad

[Mogger351]

OK, acknowledging that a game community can continue without ability to buy the intended supporting materials and minis ala mordheim, again, is that still preferable to GW doing what they do?

 

Regards a new edition now - if the community is so strong and stubborn, run 2.0 events, use the stuff you own. Those won't be taken away and a 3.0 release won't bother you.

 

It just seems odd to be adverse to getting more plastic support, the game being pushed and the playerbase growing possibly all because they release books you weren't going to buy/use?

 

Or is the fear that if a new radically different edition is released and introduces a new wave of players, that there will be an expectation for everyone to move over?

 

I'm genuinely baffled, sorry, about how it's good to highlight that games live and are well as long as someone is playing them, but then to get angry and lose interest because they release something you don't want or need to buy?

[The boater]

7 minutes ago, Matcap86 said:

These are all the teaser images sofar:

 

The “2” is interesting… I wonder if we’re getting some plastic objective markers in the set… the center one feels kinda “terminator honors”-esk

[Matcap86]

1 minute ago, The boater said:

The “2” is interesting… I wonder if we’re getting some plastic objective markers in the set… the center one feels kinda “terminator honors”-esk

 

Yeah I've been looking around for that first one but can't find it on existing sprues. The center one reads more "Void Shield generator" to me. 

[Joe]

Center seems like a shield generator, but is clearly the "historic" inspiration for the crux terminatus. Nice little touch there, assuming these are new and not from old sprues.

[Pacific81]

More evidence of it being the 2nd Legion, one of the lost ones 

[Captain Idaho]

16 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

OK, acknowledging that a game community can continue without ability to buy the intended supporting materials and minis ala mordheim, again, is that still preferable to GW doing what they do?

 

I'd say yes. 40K is dead to me, I don't like the rules changes to the AoS model, I don't like the poor aesthetic of Primaris and their variants and I think it is about as Grim Dark now as a game of Fortnite.

 

The messy rules and balance doesn't help things either.

 

Of course I'd like a happy medium with a new edition and 30K is more or less that - superior aesthetic, it's dark and bleak (if not religious zealotry of 2nd edition 40K) and the game plays more intuitively over the masses of special of 10th edition 40K. Despite those things, it has special rules and flavour for variance.

 

And army unit and character building actually matters as points for upgrades is still a thing. Man I'd leave 40K just for that let alone the other stuff.

 

Anyway, a new edition mid June gives me plenty of time to work on my guys for games. I'm excited for it. Hopefully we'll see some more information and not just teasers from GW.

Edited 9 hours ago by Captain Idaho

[Pacific81]

@Mogger351 it's a really interesting discussion point but might be worth taking up in Amicus Aedes section, as any replies will just get lost here.

[Matcap86]

Just did a quick scan of the Warhammer store for HH kits:
SM:
Fellblade and all variants are gone. 

Rapier Batteries are gone.

Lascannon and Missle Javelin variants are sold out online.

All non plastic Sicaran variant are sold out online. 

Sokar Stormbird is sold out online

 

Solar:

Carnadon is gone
Charonite Ogryns are gone

Aurox Sold out online

 

Probably not news to everyone but it's becoming quite a list now of things we might see in plastic with the new launch. 

[TheArtilleryman]

32 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

OK, acknowledging that a game community can continue without ability to buy the intended supporting materials and minis ala mordheim, again, is that still preferable to GW doing what they do?

 

Regards a new edition now - if the community is so strong and stubborn, run 2.0 events, use the stuff you own. Those won't be taken away and a 3.0 release won't bother you.

 

It just seems odd to be adverse to getting more plastic support, the game being pushed and the playerbase growing possibly all because they release books you weren't going to buy/use?

 

Or is the fear that if a new radically different edition is released and introduces a new wave of players, that there will be an expectation for everyone to move over?

 

I'm genuinely baffled, sorry, about how it's good to highlight that games live and are well as long as someone is playing them, but then to get angry and lose interest because they release something you don't want or need to buy?

Not angry, it just makes me sigh. I mostly just collect and paint these days anyway so I’ve largely given up on being “current.” 

[sockwithaticket]

17 hours ago, Matcap86 said:

Honestly I just hope they look good. I'd put a lot of hope on the redesign of the mk3s and didn't like it. So a little trepidatious, but ready to be hyped.

Yeah, my trust in their design capabilities is really waning. The Mk. III redesign is straight up bad imo. The aesthetic differences between the current Mk. VI plastics and the Mk. VI designs we've had in plastic and resin from 3rd ed. onward also turn me right off. Even things like the legion command upgrades just feel very removed from the heresy look defined by the initial HH resin line and campaign books.

[StratoKhan]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

OK, acknowledging that a game community can continue without ability to buy the intended supporting materials and minis ala mordheim, again, is that still preferable to GW doing what they do?

 

Regards a new edition now - if the community is so strong and stubborn, run 2.0 events, use the stuff you own. Those won't be taken away and a 3.0 release won't bother you.

 

It just seems odd to be adverse to getting more plastic support, the game being pushed and the playerbase growing possibly all because they release books you weren't going to buy/use?

 

Or is the fear that if a new radically different edition is released and introduces a new wave of players, that there will be an expectation for everyone to move over?

 

I'm genuinely baffled, sorry, about how it's good to highlight that games live and are well as long as someone is playing them, but then to get angry and lose interest because they release something you don't want or need to buy?

No one is adverse to plastic support.

Earlier in the thread you mentioned the option of HH getting no, or less support. As a trade off for no changes to the rules.

 

Seeing as we’re talking hypotheticals, and we’re not even reacting to a concrete set of facts on the new release (yet), why must we limit ourselves to that choice? Why limit myself to a binary of getting support (but it’s 40k style) or no support at all?

The community is allowed to elaborate on what they would prefer GW do.

 

I’ll use my thoughts on what I’d like from 3.0, may have some overlap with how people are thinking.

 

- New Plastics (always good. I will buy new cool plastic Heresy stuff even if they don’t rework the rules)

- New Rules (on the fence. if they just change everything and it has no relation to 1.0/2.0 it could frustrate a lot of people. At almost 3yrs post launch I am only just getting more familiar with the rules. Probably got in 6-7 games of 2.0 so far.)
- New Army Books, Supplements Campaign Books (supplements are welcome for various reasons. See ZM rules, also new missions, etc. It’s quite probable that that the army lists and options and points costs will get tweaked, regardless of whether it’s a built from scratch edition or a rework)

 

The 40k 3-year cycle with big changes and churn is not what I’m looking for from the hobby. Given how my time is allocated plus where my interests, I would prefer not to see huge changes to 30k. The HH community is also smaller than the 40k one. So big ‘marmite’ changes that fragment the player base might make it harder for the community to thrive.

[Taliesin]

22 hours ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

The foot is actually the Dreadnought!

 

Also...

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

Any expectations on books that will be released, any rumors on it? Rulebook with the box, or will there be more supplements?

[twopounder]

7 hours ago, Gorgoff said:

You can buy d18 already. 

And the leg is from an Leviathan. People hve already compared it. Those pictures all doesn't show anything new.

They joke about the most popular rumours. That's the theme of this  website. It's a fun site to tease us a little but who knows if they won't post some true things on it? 

We will see.

I for once was very amused by the whole thing. Good work GW :D

 

I've never seen them. But I have seen a d2, so I guess anything is possible. It is a factor of 6, so they can triple the stats and keep the same approximate odds. It does worry me that they'll go all in on modifiers like 40k.

[Astartes Consul]

2 hours ago, Matcap86 said:

These are all the teaser images sofar:

 

 

The pouch is a breaching charge, indicative of plastic Breacher Squads. Heard it here first.

[MasterBlaster]

Yikes..This is aimed directly at the marvel fans infecting warhammer as a whole. Cringe signaling even 

[skylerboodie]

the new instagram images with additional text (plus the below) have been added to the main Hearsay website too, so that seems a good place to keep eyes on for all(?) the updates.

 

"Flame Weapons FTW

Hearing flame templates are doubling in size. Must be to give the Sallies a big push as poster boys for the new edition. Fire change?

Bring me the HEAVY flamer!"

[Cenobite Terminator]

I’m definitely interested now.

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, MasterBlaster said:

Yikes..This is aimed directly at the marvel fans infecting warhammer as a whole. Cringe signaling even 

Mind explaining your post, young man?

[Marshal Rohr]

2 hours ago, twopounder said:

I've never seen them. But I have seen a d2, so I guess anything is possible. It is a factor of 6, so they can triple the stats and keep the same approximate odds. It does worry me that they'll go all in on modifiers like 40k.

A D2? You mean a coin toss?

2 hours ago, Astartes Consul said:

 

The pouch is a breaching charge, indicative of plastic Breacher Squads. Heard it here first.

If that is true I will explode with happiness, however I think it’s a bit from the rapier crew (replacement wheel part). 

Edited 5 hours ago by Marshal Rohr

[twopounder]

3 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

A D2? You mean a coin toss?

If that is true I will explode with happiness, however I think it’s a bit from the rapier crew (replacement wheel part). 

Yes, except it was in the form of dice. Like I said, if some one made a d2, anything is possible. 

 

If flame templates are doubling in size, it's a return to 2nd ed templates. I wonder if it's 2 template sizes like 2nd or if it's just one larger. 

[Sky Potato]

4 hours ago, Matcap86 said:

Just did a quick scan of the Warhammer store for HH kits:
SM:
Fellblade and all variants are gone. 

Rapier Batteries are gone.

Lascannon and Missle Javelin variants are sold out online.

All non plastic Sicaran variant are sold out online. 

Sokar Stormbird is sold out online

 

Solar:

Carnadon is gone
Charonite Ogryns are gone

Aurox Sold out online

 

Probably not news to everyone but it's becoming quite a list now of things we might see in plastic with the new launch. 

 

Fellblades and variants have been gone for a while sadly

[Vassakov]

On the new rules v tweaked rules argument, I think it's probably instructive to look at how they've handled games like Necromunda or MESBG. Both of these are on their Nth edition, but have retained the same core rules functionality for donkey's years now. They've had new launch boxes and new iterations of some models, but they've been expanded on with supplements and FAQs, but at a glacial pace in comparison to 40k and AoS. Honestly, I think an "updated" rulebook that was essentially a hefty FAQ plus a bit of a balance pass, and then some errata's for the Liber Books would be about right. They can certainly do something about every single sergeant having Artificer Armour to tank shots... or maybe thats just me. 

 

I would be very, very surprised  if HH went in a different direction. Even over the last three years, since 2.0 launched there's been what, 2 FAQ's? Otherwise it's been some supplemental campaign books, downloadable rules and one new faction book (Mechanicum, I think Liber Imperialis launched around the same time as LA and LH?) 

 

For all the shouting and yelling about decisions the GW community doesn't like there are very, very few that can't be understood. I think the emblematic one is the decision to separate the lines for HH/TOW from 40k/AoS. We all understand the logic behind this decision from a commercial and business sense, but a lot of us don't agree with or like it. Those are different things. 

 

[note: the one decision I cannot for the life of me understand is the dropping of various vehicles from EC and the absolutely bonkers decision to only allow Maulerfiends and not Forgefiends. That's still got me baffled, especially when it hasn't happened to the other Cult Legions. But that's basically the only one that's completely lost me from a logic perspective.]

 

I think GW is well aware that HH is a refuge for some who don't like 8th Ed 40k onwards, or Primaris, or constant balance updates and books that are out of date. And now they've got that market. If they are hellbent on not having the models cannibalise each other, what possible logic is there to risk the customer base they've clearly invested a lot in by doing the literal opposite of what the community clearly wants. Contrary to the prevailing narrative amongst the angrier section of the community, GW are not in fact stupid, nor do they personally hate large chunks of their customers for no adequately explained reason.