New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[Blindhamster]

personally, i dont like the damage stat if space marines are still single wound models.

With humans in the game (imperial army, skitari etc), I'd have made standard marines 2 wounds - same as 40k.

I do like that initiative remains a thing and I like the varied mental stats. Will be interesting to see how the to hit and to wound tables work this edition

 

with all the other classic things returning, im actually sad they havent also brought back save modifiers like rogue trader (and modern) 40k.

Edited 5 hours ago by Blindhamster

[Orion]

17 hours ago, Marshal Loss said:

Sneaky!

 

 

Funny when I saw the Tarantulas I thought I would definitely convert this for my firstborn 40k.
Maybe it won't be a conversion at this rate.

 

16 hours ago, Wispy said:

 

I really liked this Saturnine in 30k Wolfy colours they did.

 

Yeah, I thought the same. 
The different panels and head look great on this guy. 

And always a fan of non-glowing plasma

[Brother Kraskor]

7 hours ago, FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants said:

So who is everybody's legion of choice?

I'm too afraid to start a new legion, so it will be the glorious 3rd for 3rd ed!  Thinking the EC would reserve their Saturnine suits for breaking deadlocks via teleport strike and disintegrators/fists. Will find some 3rd party bits to do up some Mk2s as Kakophoni as well. Thematically can't see myself running the big dread too often but it's a gorgeous model so who cares!

[Irate Khornate]

8 hours ago, Gorgoff said:

I don't like the Saturnine Praetor being so powerful tbh.

 

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So the terminators are initiative 3, but the Praetor is still initiative 6? Weird.

[Naryn]

If there isn't a marine poking his little head out of the top of the Whirlwind turret we riot.

[Waaagh?]

Damage 3 on that saturnine fist isn't so crazy.

 

If we ported it into 2.0 and gave it brutal 3 and used the saturnine statlines suggested above it would only be strength 7 thus not causing instant death. Think this is fairly on par with a thunder hammer being brutal 2 and causing instant death. Sure they could really shake up weapon stats but the other weapon we've seen (bolt pistol) hasn't changed at all.

 

We don't know anything about how this will interact with vehicles or how vehicles take damage in this edition and honestly I'd be surprised if they got rid of armour facing and the damage table because people like it and simplifying isn't in line with what we've already seen.

 

We may find the damage only applies to models that can be wounded (which helps solve the issue with dreads currently).

 

Or we may find that yes this model gets 3 rolls to damage a tank but with current armour facings couldn't do anything to a Land Raider etc.

 

So in the end, the sky may not be falling so instead of worrying try to focus on the positive things from yesterday.

Edited 4 hours ago by Waaagh?

[Mogger351]

55 minutes ago, Irate Khornate said:

So the terminators are initiative 3, but the Praetor is still initiative 6? Weird.

Ya boi is faster/more skilled before the armour, makes sense he'd be faster and more skilled than others inside the armour. Or learn to use its limits better.

[Irate Khornate]

Just now, Mogger351 said:

Ya boi is faster/more skilled before the armour, makes sense he'd be faster and more skilled than others inside the armour. Or learn to use its limits better.

He's got baby arms, I'd expect his initiative to be a bit hampered by that 

[Brother Sutek]

8 hours ago, FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants said:

So who is everybody's legion of choice? I'm very much considering Deathguard. I love the lore and colour scheme.  This box will be an evergreen release they seemed to indicate. I missed out on the previous HH starter set, but may very well pull the pin on this one and make a purchase once the dust settles.

Most likely it'll remain Death Guard as I've not been feeling my Alpha Legion and my Dark Angels aren't done being converted from my old 40k models. As a side note it'd rather hilarious seeing my 3rd edition [?] Nurgle marines next to some of the most recent HH marines. The scale creep is real.

[BitsHammer]

21 minutes ago, Brother Sutek said:

Most likely it'll remain Death Guard as I've not been feeling my Alpha Legion and my Dark Angels aren't done being converted from my old 40k models. As a side note it'd rather hilarious seeing my 3rd edition [?] Nurgle marines next to some of the most recent HH marines. The scale creep is real.

I mean it's the difference between everyone being sculpted to be 25mm heroic sized regardless of relative height vs everyone being sculpted in a 32mm scale with size differences factored in. There's a reason old Marines were the same size as Guardsmen after all.

[Cryptix]

10 hours ago, Gorgoff said:

I don't like the Saturnine Praetor being so powerful tbh.

 

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Pretty sure the saturnine praetor is only I4 (we can see he's T6 and W4, and while blurry the number under initiative looks more the one under wounds than the one under toughness) which makes sense as +1 compared to the normal saturnine.

Edited 3 hours ago by Cryptix

[MagicHat]

Replacing brutal and possibly instant death with a stat is very much fine in my book. 

 

I love the idea of weapon traits, but having two lines for every weapon seems like it would get clunky quickly. My ideal would be something like:

 

Bolter: R24   FP1   S4   AP5   AR-   D1   Special: Bolt, Rapid-fire 1.

 

Traits that are just keywords for other rules in italics.

AR being armour reduction or rend basically. If a weapon doesn't have AP or it is not enough to go through the armour, you can use AR, for stuff like corrosives or assault cannons.

 

I have had issues with every vehicle rule version GW have produced. As long as they retains different arcs and rules for this (and feel free to gives arcs to monsters too!) I am will look forward to something new.

[MARK0SIAN]

I’m quite concerned by the damage stat. If it turns out like 40k 8th edition then second wounds on things like Vets will be irrelevant because too many weapons will have D2 or higher. 
 

I’m also a bit concerned with the talk of easing army building restrictions. They were hardly onerous as it was and with the rites you could still build whatever kind of force you wanted so I’m not sure what’s really gained by making it less restrictive. 
 

On a more positive note, the mk2 stuff is amazing! The highlight of the whole reveal for me is the mk2 assault squad and that’s a high bar as I’m also super excited for breachers, fellblades and rapiers.

 

The Saturnine stuff I’m fairly indifferent about. I don’t dislike it like I thought I would but equally I don’t think I’ll be in a rush to add any to my force. 

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

45 minutes ago, MARK0SIAN said:

I’m quite concerned by the damage stat. If it turns out like 40k 8th edition then second wounds on things like Vets will be irrelevant because too many weapons will have D2 or higher. 
 

I’m also a bit concerned with the talk of easing army building restrictions. They were hardly onerous as it was and with the rites you could still build whatever kind of force you wanted so I’m not sure what’s really gained by making it less restrictive. 
 

On a more positive note, the mk2 stuff is amazing! The highlight of the whole reveal for me is the mk2 assault squad and that’s a high bar as I’m also super excited for breachers, fellblades and rapiers.

 

The Saturnine stuff I’m fairly indifferent about. I don’t dislike it like I thought I would but equally I don’t think I’ll be in a rush to add any to my force. 

Easing army building restrictions sounds a lot like rule of 3. Modern 40K allows you to field three Chaos Lords. After scouring Ebay you will be able to field 3 Saturnine Praetors with glorious, giant hammers! If that´s not peak Warhammer then I don´t know what is.

[MARK0SIAN]

8 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

Easing army building restrictions sounds a lot like rule of 3. Modern 40K allows you to field three Chaos Lords. After scouring Ebay you will be able to field 3 Saturnine Praetors with glorious, giant hammers! If that´s not peak Warhammer then I don´t know what is.

I hope that’s not what it turns out to be. I think there needs to be some restrictions on taking all the good stuff. The rites work well because it allows you to field an army of tanks for example but that comes with downsides and restrictions on other things, just like all the rites do. 
 

We obviously don’t have enough concrete information to go on at the moment so it may not be ‘sky is falling’ or anything but like I said, the current system is hardly onerous or super restrictive so it’s hard to imagine a less restrictive system that isn’t just a free for all. 

[Unknown Legionnaire]

Person #1:  Brings army to the table, consisiting of ... 3 Saturnine Hammertime Praetors, 3 Dreadnoughts and one Primarch.

Person #2:  Points at the Primarch model ... 'Duuuuuuuude .... what's that tiny mook fer ?'

Person #3:  'Seven models in your army ? That's way too many to lug around !'

[Mogger351]

11 minutes ago, MARK0SIAN said:

I hope that’s not what it turns out to be. I think there needs to be some restrictions on taking all the good stuff. The rites work well because it allows you to field an army of tanks for example but that comes with downsides and restrictions on other things, just like all the rites do. 
 

We obviously don’t have enough concrete information to go on at the moment so it may not be ‘sky is falling’ or anything but like I said, the current system is hardly onerous or super restrictive so it’s hard to imagine a less restrictive system that isn’t just a free for all. 

 

"All the good stuff" there shouldn't be obviously good units, that's a bigger problem and forcing bad unit taxes over the top won't fix it.

[01RTB01]

3 hours ago, Brother Kraskor said:

I'm too afraid to start a new legion, so it will be the glorious 3rd for 3rd ed!  Thinking the EC would reserve their Saturnine suits for breaking deadlocks via teleport strike and disintegrators/fists. Will find some 3rd party bits to do up some Mk2s as Kakophoni as well. Thematically can't see myself running the big dread too often but it's a gorgeous model so who cares!

 

Conversely, I'm taking the view that saturnine are too ugly for the Third. As such, mine will be sent to Isstvan III with Saul. Tactical impact be damned lol.

23 minutes ago, MARK0SIAN said:

I hope that’s not what it turns out to be. I think there needs to be some restrictions on taking all the good stuff. The rites work well because it allows you to field an army of tanks for example but that comes with downsides and restrictions on other things, just like all the rites do. 
 

We obviously don’t have enough concrete information to go on at the moment so it may not be ‘sky is falling’ or anything but like I said, the current system is hardly onerous or super restrictive so it’s hard to imagine a less restrictive system that isn’t just a free for all. 

 

Wholly agree here. If it does become a free for all we'll "police it" locally. Fingers crossed though.

[OttoVonAwesome]

18 hours ago, Unknown Legionnaire said:

 

2.0 was fine except for the monstrous Dreadnoughts and reaction limits.

 

I'd like to share the optimism, but I highly doubt things will become better / improve from here on.

 

Better hands ? How so ?

 

Not Anuj is a huge step up.

[MARK0SIAN]

30 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

 

"All the good stuff" there shouldn't be obviously good units, that's a bigger problem and forcing bad unit taxes over the top won't fix it.

There’ll always be good units and bad units but that’s not really what I meant. It’s less about individual units and more about battlefield role. Being able to cram your army with just elites or just heavies at the moment is only possible if you take a rite because otherwise you’re limited to a set number of units from those categories and if you do take a rite there are downsides. 
 

If, instead, you can just take as many as you want from each category without any imposed downsides then the potential for overly strong skew lists skyrockets. 
 

Now I acknowledge that the word ‘if’ is doing some heavy lifting in this posts but I’m using it to outline my concerns about what it could potentially mean when they say they’re easing restrictions. I’m really hoping they’ve learnt from AoS and 8th edition 40k and it isn’t a total free for all. Fingers crossed.