New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[Captain Idaho]

2 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

4 hours ago, Captain Idaho said:

Primaris are bigger.

the Mark VI Praetors were slightly larger IIRC than Intercessors. 

 

The joke was "how big is the Saturnine Dreadnought? Yeah the Primaris are bigger."

 

Blimey. 

[Cyrox]

29 minutes ago, Loishy said:

I don't know if this has already been mentioned on BoC, but did you know that we could have guessed a long time ago (July 2023) that new plastic Cataphractii were coming?

 

I have a theory that I posted on a French forum in October, but since other users were skeptical, I didn't take the time to post it here.

 

I'll detail it below.

 

On the banner of the Legion Imperialis articles posted on Warhammer community, we can see a cataphractii terminator. 

 

But there are some differences between this terminator and those currently sold by GW.

 

1) The metal hoop above the helmet.

 

There is an extra ledge on this hoop that does not exist on current terminators.

 

2) The armor plates above the shoulder

 

The top plate appears less horizontal and more inclined towards the ground than those of the early plastic Terminators. The bottom plate also protrudes further from the top plate. On the right, we see that they are almost aligned with the current models.

 

3) Leather straps on the shoulders

 

The straps of the potential new armor have studs


I checked all the other Terminator Cataphractii units and couldn't find any models that could explain its appearance on the Legion Imperialis banner. Since GW doesn't usually use modified models, I really think this is one of the new plastic Terminator Cataphractii.

 

I think they might be the earlier FW resin Cataphractii, as at least one of those had the helmet vent, and they all have studs on the leather pteruges, and more sloping shoulders.

 

Still, could be new?

Edited Friday at 11:25 AM by Cyrox

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

24 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

The joke was "how big is the Saturnine Dreadnought? Yeah the Primaris are bigger."

 

Blimey. 

Sorry thought you were replying to the guy asking about the Mark II Preator size. Your comment was right underneath his. 

[Irate Khornate]

Seeing as how I just painted my tyrants and dominators it would be fitting that they release updated Cataphractii. Just how the world works.

[Marshal Rohr]

1 hour ago, Loishy said:

I don't know if this has already been mentioned on BoC, but did you know that we could have guessed a long time ago (July 2023) that new plastic Cataphractii were coming?

 

I have a theory that I posted on a French forum in October, but since other users were skeptical, I didn't take the time to post it here.

 

I'll detail it below.

 

On the banner of the Legion Imperialis articles posted on Warhammer community, we can see a cataphractii terminator. 

 

But there are some differences between this terminator and those currently sold by GW.

 

1) The metal hoop above the helmet.

 

There is an extra ledge on this hoop that does not exist on current terminators.

 

2) The armor plates above the shoulder

 

The top plate appears less horizontal and more inclined towards the ground than those of the early plastic Terminators. The bottom plate also protrudes further from the top plate. On the right, we see that they are almost aligned with the current models.

 

3) Leather straps on the shoulders

 

The straps of the potential new armor have studs


I checked all the other Terminator Cataphractii units and couldn't find any models that could explain its appearance on the Legion Imperialis banner. Since GW doesn't usually use modified models, I really think this is one of the new plastic Terminator Cataphractii.

Those appear to be the original resin Cataphractii. The straps and the helmet vent match the stuff you can see here:

 

https://www.beastsofwar.com/sci-fi-wargaming/mighty-cataphractii-terminators-trudge-forge-world/

[Lord Marshal]

Time to read too much into this one. I'm fairly sure the image is an existing one from Book III, but hey, it's a Cerastus Assault Ram mention! 

 

[Loishy]

14 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Those appear to be the original resin Cataphractii. The straps and the helmet vent match the stuff you can see here:

 

https://www.beastsofwar.com/sci-fi-wargaming/mighty-cataphractii-terminators-trudge-forge-world/

 
OK for the straps. For the helmet ventilation, I didn't count it as a clue, it also exists on the plastic kit.

But the metal hoop and the shoulder plate position doesn't match with the original resin models. 

[Cactus]

The shoulder plate is probably due to assembly. The top and bottom plate were separate resin pieces and quite easy to misalign.

[Nephaston]

These two are definitely different.

 

The teased Cataphractii has Tassets, and the one leather strip we can see ends in some form of end cap.

[Hfran Morkai]

1 hour ago, Lord Marshal said:

Time to read too much into this one. I'm fairly sure the image is an existing one from Book III, but hey, it's a Cerastus Assault Ram mention! 

 

 

I'm sure that image has been in the mobile card game for a considerable time. Not saying it didn't come from one of the black books.

 

Would be good to see them though. I'm lucky enough to own one.

Edited Friday at 01:30 PM by Hfran Morkai

[Robbienw]

Primaris are the mini marines now it would seem 

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, Irate Khornate said:

Seeing as how I just painted my tyrants and dominators it would be fitting that they release updated Cataphractii. Just how the world works.

 

Could you please paint up a Proteus pattern land speeder and a sabre too please?!

[Lord Marshal]

3 hours ago, Loishy said:

I don't know if this has already been mentioned on BoC, but did you know that we could have guessed a long time ago (July 2023) that new plastic Cataphractii were coming?

 

I have a theory that I posted on a French forum in October, but since other users were skeptical, I didn't take the time to post it here.

 

I'll detail it below.

 

On the banner of the Legion Imperialis articles posted on Warhammer community, we can see a cataphractii terminator. 

 

But there are some differences between this terminator and those currently sold by GW.

 

1) The metal hoop above the helmet.

 

There is an extra ledge on this hoop that does not exist on current terminators.

 

2) The armor plates above the shoulder

 

The top plate appears less horizontal and more inclined towards the ground than those of the early plastic Terminators. The bottom plate also protrudes further from the top plate. On the right, we see that they are almost aligned with the current models.

 

3) Leather straps on the shoulders

 

The straps of the potential new armor have studs


I checked all the other Terminator Cataphractii units and couldn't find any models that could explain its appearance on the Legion Imperialis banner. Since GW doesn't usually use modified models, I really think this is one of the new plastic Terminator Cataphractii.

 

Had it pointed out it might just be the old resin Terminators, unfortunately. 

 

Edited Friday at 02:04 PM by Lord Marshal

[Irate Khornate]

5 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

Could you please paint up a Proteus pattern land speeder and a sabre too please?!

I don't have any unfortunately, otherwise I'd gladly indulge. 

[SalamandersBro]

Do you think all the characters and units from the previous black books from 2.0 willbe in the new Libers, or will they get the legends treatment? 

[Lord Marshal]

'Sign up to the newsletter' competition to win a Primarch and some goodies. 

 

Also links to the new HH site, which includes a sneaky peak at the new MkIV colour plate.

 

 

Also some higher quality shots of the MkII for the various Legions.

 

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Plus a little more information on the Istvaan V Not-Arcane Journal:

 

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The book includes a wealth of background on the warriors that fought on Isstvan V, detailed timelines of the massacre, and a stunning miniatures showcase that brings the conflict to life. Also included are rules for three new Legiones Astartes units and expandable Interdiction Cadres.

 

Edited Friday at 04:01 PM by Lord Marshal

[ZeroWolf]

30 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

'Sign up to the newsletter' competition to win a Primarch and some goodies. Somebody better with math than I might be able to extrapolate the possible price of Saturnine from the Terms And Conditions.

 

Also links to the new HH site, which includes a sneaky peak at the new MkIV colour plate.

 

 

Also some higher quality shots of the MkII for the various Legions.

 

 

Plus a little more information on the Istvaan V Not-Arcane Journal:

 

 

While the prize bundle is worth £1245 Saturnine isn't part of it. The prize is the brushes, 10x paints, primarch, transfer sheet, head and shoulder pad upgrades. The transfigured primarchs are excluded from the competition (spray paints are also excluded). £1245 seems a lot still mind. Unless i greatly underestimated how much hh primarchs are.

[painting.for.my.sanity]

£1245 is the whole pool - divide by five to get the bundle cost

Edited Friday at 03:51 PM by painting.for.my.sanity

[Nephaston]

No wonder all those upgrades and primarchs are unavailable, they're bunkering them for the giveaway. Mild /s

 

Also Word Bearer my beloved

Though depending on when ones army is settled around, these should arguably be grey, or with the red paint chipping to reveal the grey beneath.  

[Lord Marshal]

13 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

While the prize bundle is worth £1245 Saturnine isn't part of it. The prize is the brushes, 10x paints, primarch, transfer sheet, head and shoulder pad upgrades. The transfigured primarchs are excluded from the competition (spray paints are also excluded). £1245 seems a lot still mind. Unless i greatly underestimated how much hh primarchs are.

 

What I get for reading too quickly. Guess they learnt from the Skaventide slipup.

 

Edited Friday at 04:01 PM by Lord Marshal

[No Foes Remain]

Thousand Sons look quite good in Mk2, as if I needed more temptation. Speaking of, the fact that the Mk4 will just be rescaled rather than remade like Mk2 and Mk3 makes me glad.

 

I do wish that site had some of the other legions in the Saturnine armour, still not totally sold on it.

[Marshal Rohr]

1 hour ago, No Foes Remain said:

Thousand Sons look quite good in Mk2, as if I needed more temptation. Speaking of, the fact that the Mk4 will just be rescaled rather than remade like Mk2 and Mk3 makes me glad.

 

I do wish that site had some of the other legions in the Saturnine armour, still not totally sold on it.

I think it’ll come out a lil different (bell bottom claves, tiny hands, tiny heads) but the kept all the designs people care about most (snout, chest, forearms, knees) 

[Brother Kraskor]

I wonder whether Saturnine, as legion-agonistic terminators, will be able to receive Line in PotL (or whatever new form objective-holding/RoWs take!). They'd make pretty mean objective holders with indirect plasma! 

Edited Friday at 06:36 PM by Brother Kraskor

[MARK0SIAN]

1 hour ago, Brother Kraskor said:

I wonder whether Saturnine, as legion-agonistic terminators, will be able to receive Line in PotL (or whatever new form objective-holding/RoWs take!). They'd make pretty mean objective holders with indirect plasma! 

I think they’ll follow in the vain of Tyrant Siege Terminators in that they’ll be heavy support and therefore won’t qualify for pride of the legion.

 

I could be wrong but the Tyrant Siege were exempt from it in both 1st and 2nd edition so I think it’ll be the same.

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

4 hours ago, Nephaston said:

No wonder all those upgrades and primarchs are unavailable, they're bunkering them for the giveaway. Mild /s

 

Also Word Bearer my beloved

Though depending on when ones army is settled around, these should arguably be grey, or with the red paint chipping to reveal the grey beneath.  

Question: where comes that pic?