New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[SkimaskMohawk]

I find it more interesting how the narrative and new model focus for 2nd and 3rd seem to be, well, mixed up. 2nd was more late heresy with a campaign set during the events of the siege, was predominantly vehicle heavy for Marines, and it's poster mark of power armour was also late heresy and rather less popular. 3rd is more early heresy, has an iconic mark of power armour associated with the era, and is infantry heavy. Feels like someone in sales flipped what got released first because vehicles sell better or some other bad logic.

[Irate Khornate]

On 5/31/2025 at 12:17 PM, DuskRaider said:

Technically the Legion began its fall long before being floundered in the Warp. Calas Typhon had been worshipping Nurgle for quite some time and had been recruiting other Legionnaires to the cause. By the time Mortarion had bent the knee to Nurgle, the corruption within the Legion itself was rampant and he himself had unwittingly fell years before… think summoning Grulgor and unleashing him on Molech, as well as dabbling with Daemonology for some time. 

To be honest I had that same process of thought in my head, but the part that fully swayed me to he didn't bend the knee till on the way to Terra was Nurgle had to have him make the pact in The Buried Dagger.

 

Now I agree he was definitely starting to move that direction due to his actions, but the rest is practically arguing semantics and I'll meet you in the middle to avoid that.

 

On 5/31/2025 at 9:00 PM, SkimaskMohawk said:

I find it more interesting how the narrative and new model focus for 2nd and 3rd seem to be, well, mixed up. 2nd was more late heresy with a campaign set during the events of the siege, was predominantly vehicle heavy for Marines, and it's poster mark of power armour was also late heresy and rather less popular. 3rd is more early heresy, has an iconic mark of power armour associated with the era, and is infantry heavy. Feels like someone in sales flipped what got released first because vehicles sell better or some other bad logic.

 

I think it got flipped since new 30k players coming from 40k were more likely to be familiar with what released in 2nd versus 3rd.

 

Plus the hard cut of 10th edition of what was legal likely weeded out who was not the current target audience of 40k but left them in 30k so they have a dedicated nostalgia farm. 

[BitsHammer]

3 hours ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

I find it more interesting how the narrative and new model focus for 2nd and 3rd seem to be, well, mixed up. 2nd was more late heresy with a campaign set during the events of the siege, was predominantly vehicle heavy for Marines, and it's poster mark of power armour was also late heresy and rather less popular. 3rd is more early heresy, has an iconic mark of power armour associated with the era, and is infantry heavy. Feels like someone in sales flipped what got released first because vehicles sell better or some other bad logic.

Cthonia was more mid-Heresy and that was what the bix was built around and a few of the named characters we got were themed around but I think them going back to the start makes a bit of sense for both doing MkII since it'd be more common at the time plus it lets them revist and touch on past campaigns. Fingers crossed for themed missions.

 

1 hour ago, Marshal Rohr said:

I too was mad when the new Mark 2 didn’t have huge armored Space Marine 2 vanguard booties. The uglification of the Horus Heresy continues 

Do you mean the stack of funnels they called leg armor?

Sadly those got sacrificed likely to avoid undercuts and prevent potentially needing to inflate parts counts even further to do them in plastic.

[Mmmmm Napalm]

4 minutes ago, BitsHammer said:

Cthonia was more mid-Heresy and that was what the bix was built around and a few of the named characters we got were themed around but I think them going back to the start makes a bit of sense for both doing MkII since it'd be more common at the time plus it lets them revist and touch on past campaigns. Fingers crossed for themed missions.

 

Do you mean the stack of funnels they called leg armor?

Sadly those got sacrificed likely to avoid undercuts and prevent potentially needing to inflate parts counts even further to do them in plastic.

Lol, wrong booty. I believe he's talking about the defined rear end the SM2 models have what with the undersuit being a skin-tight bodyglove.

[WrathOfTheLion]

3 hours ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

I find it more interesting how the narrative and new model focus for 2nd and 3rd seem to be, well, mixed up. 2nd was more late heresy with a campaign set during the events of the siege, was predominantly vehicle heavy for Marines, and it's poster mark of power armour was also late heresy and rather less popular. 3rd is more early heresy, has an iconic mark of power armour associated with the era, and is infantry heavy. Feels like someone in sales flipped what got released first because vehicles sell better or some other bad logic.

I think like with The Old World, their focus was on ensuring the existing playerbase had something to do and was active, while they could proceed with a lot of the range transition over 2E for a stronger launch in 3E. As a corollary, for Old World, their focus right now is mainly on existing players and getting the ranges produced and out in the wild, and will really kick off better in 2E TOW.

 

For 30k, I don't think 2E really could have had a better launch, simply because they didn't have much out yet. Now we've got all sorts of tanks, jetbikes, dedicated transports, dreadnoughts, mechanicum, solar auxilia and some other stuff released and part of the range for newer folks to really have something to do at launch besides only buy a starter box. So MK II would've sold a bit* better in the immediate, but they'd've still ran into the same problem, not enough range out at the start. I think saving it for a better start position was likely the right move.

Edited Saturday at 11:22 PM by WrathOfTheLion
changed 'lot' to 'bit'

[Marshal Rohr]

1 hour ago, BitsHammer said:

Cthonia was more mid-Heresy and that was what the bix was built around and a few of the named characters we got were themed around but I think them going back to the start makes a bit of sense for both doing MkII since it'd be more common at the time plus it lets them revist and touch on past campaigns. Fingers crossed for themed missions.

 

Do you mean the stack of funnels they called leg armor?

Sadly those got sacrificed likely to avoid undercuts and prevent potentially needing to inflate parts counts even further to do them in plastic.

No my friend, I mean the newest Cawl delivered Space Marine modification: the Baalite Butt Lift 

 

(You’ll have to Google it all the Reddit links break the rules)

Edited Sunday at 12:35 AM by Marshal Rohr

[SkimaskMohawk]

3 hours ago, BitsHammer said:

Cthonia was more mid-Heresy

Cthonia was during the siege, they mention it start on page 73 of SoC and that Horus dies on page 103. It's part of why the story was dumb, since there was apparently a big chunk of resources wasted next door on cthonia.

 

@WrathOfTheLion I definitely think them having the mk 2 wave with breachers and assaults instead of almost every vehicle would have made for a better launch. 

Edited Sunday at 02:11 AM by SkimaskMohawk

[Vesalius]

Any idea on pricing for this box? And/or will this one stick around like the 2.0 box or be a limited thing like the mk 3 box?

[Marshal Rohr]

Cthonia was probably one of the coolest bits of Heresy lore they’ve released since Retribution specifically because it shows that even with the Siege going on there were earth shatteringly massive fights going on across the galaxy (that would continue for a century). The Heresy is cool because of its depth, which makes it much better than the puddle of 40K, and part of that depth is that historically devastating events are occurring everywhere and they are only small because of the apocalyptic events they are compared to. 
 

I guess actually enjoying the Horus Heresy has never been some people’s hobby though, their hobby is complaining about the Horus Heresy and leaving angry comments on Facebook!

30 minutes ago, Vesalius said:

Any idea on pricing for this box? And/or will this one stick around like the 2.0 box or be a limited thing like the mk 3 box?

350 American

[Lord Abaia]

35 minutes ago, Vesalius said:

And/or will this one stick around like the 2.0 box or be a limited thing like the mk 3 box?

They mentioned on the announcement stream that it will stick around like the 2.0 box.

[BitsHammer]

15 hours ago, MoriyaSchism said:

That weapon has some type of pressure tank attached to it. They called it a Photonic Incinerator during the stream. I assume it's going to be a weapon that uses a flamer template. There was another weapon option for that slot with a rectangular muzzle, but they didn't mention it by name.

 

They do here at 24 minutes into the stream. 2 Photonic disintegrators or Twin Concussion Resonators.

 

[Nephaston]

18 minutes ago, BitsHammer said:

Twin Concussion Resonators.

Migraine guns, bad vibe sprays, aneurysm deployers, Butcher nail jigglers, brain smoothers.

[BitsHammer]

4 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

Migraine guns, bad vibe sprays, aneurysm deployers, Butcher nail jigglers, brain smoothers.

So it just plays recordings of Magnus talking then.

[Nephaston]

23 minutes ago, BitsHammer said:

So it just plays recordings of Magnus talking then.

I was thinking non seasonal recordings of "All I want for Christmas is you". 

Or maybe the brainrot version of "Jingle Bell Rock".

Edited Sunday at 07:45 AM by Nephaston

[Matcap86]

3 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

 

350 American

 

Is that a guesstimate? Because if that's legit I think the box is going to have trouble with the marmite that is the Saturnine design.

[Petitioner's City]

14 minutes ago, Matcap86 said:

 

Is that a guesstimate? Because if that's legit I think the box is going to have trouble with the marmite that is the Saturnine design.

 

I hope it will not be more expensive than the AoD box, which was last $315, I think? 

Edited Sunday at 07:57 AM by Petitioner's City

[OttoVonAwesome]

On 5/30/2025 at 5:51 PM, Unknown Legionnaire said:

Yaaaaaaaay ... they're directly naming the Ruinous Powers ... another step away from previous Heresy.  

 

 

I mean it's pretty obvious what happened to them isn't it? Nurgle pretty much gave them an ultimatum. It's not Samus stalking people out of the blue it's the fall of the Deathguard. 

[Fire Golem]

12 minutes ago, Petitioner's City said:

 

I hope it will not be more expensive than the AoD box, which was last $315, I think? 

I would plan for it to be at least a bit more expensive than the box it is replacing. 

[Astartes Consul]

Pre-order to go up next week, do we think? 

[Matcap86]

20 minutes ago, Astartes Consul said:

Pre-order to go up next week, do we think? 

 

Hope so, but I think Old World Cathay and Killteam still have releases to go. 

[Joe]

Not to mention 40,000 - Grey Knights, Imperial Knights and Chaos Knights.

[Redcomet]

We will know in a few hours, but I wouldn’t expect it for another month or so

[Mogger351]

15 minutes ago, Joe said:

Not to mention 40,000 - Grey Knights, Imperial Knights and Chaos Knights.

I think knights might be later to help dilute the marine-fest of the next few months.

[Marshal Rohr]

5 hours ago, Matcap86 said:

 

Is that a guesstimate? Because if that's legit I think the box is going to have trouble with the marmite that is the Saturnine design.

Definitely a guesstimate. Current box is 280-300 depending on retailer right? I’m figuring normal starter box iteration price rise, tariff recoup, actual inflation, and larger FW dev team will shake out to be about fifty bucks more for a starter. 

1 hour ago, Astartes Consul said:

Pre-order to go up next week, do we think? 

Late June at the earliest, unless they just skip the new edition ramp up they do for the other systems with influencers, WW events, and rules previews. 

[Astartes Consul]

1 hour ago, Matcap86 said:

 

Hope so, but I think Old World Cathay and Killteam still have releases to go. 

Had completely forgotten about Cathay!