New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[ZeroWolf]

Edition launches have been sporadic in terms of release dates as 40k was in June but AoS last year was early July if I remember correctly.

[Vassakov]

This evening is Imperial & Chaos Knights, if one websites awkward social media post is to be believed.

[Matcap86]

Need to keep in mind as well that the original preview was planned for 2 ish weeks later than what we got. So late June at earliest seems legit.

[Redcomet]

Chaos knights only next week. 

[Unknown Legionnaire]

8 hours ago, OttoVonAwesome said:

I mean it's pretty obvious what happened to them isn't it? Nurgle pretty much gave them an ultimatum. It's not Samus stalking people out of the blue it's the fall of the Deathguard. 

 

 

First, I find it kinda funny but also telling how people have gotten at each other over this silly topic.

 

Second, that comment was never meant to touch on that particular 'fact' in the fluff, it merely touched on the vibes you get in storytelling depending on how something is being done / executed in terms of ideas.

We all know it's happening of course, but for me it's a matter of how it's being presented.

I just feel like 1.0 did it in more sublte ways as opposed to 'new style'.

But what do I know ... 

[BitsHammer]

1 hour ago, Unknown Legionnaire said:

 

 

First, I find it kinda funny but also telling how people have gotten at each other over this silly topic.

 

Second, that comment was never meant to touch on that particular 'fact' in the fluff, it merely touched on the vibes you get in storytelling depending on how something is being done / executed in terms of ideas.

We all know it's happening of course, but for me it's a matter of how it's being presented.

I just feel like 1.0 did it in more sublte ways as opposed to 'new style'.

But what do I know ... 

You are comparing the Black Books to a summary blurb on a advertisement website. These are not equivalent things to be comparing.

[Corswain]

7 hours ago, Astartes Consul said:

Pre-order to go up next week, do we think? 

 

GW's newsletter competition is drawn 30th June and winners notified in July. Release date cannot be earlier than that. Mid to late July seems likely.

[BitsHammer]

1 hour ago, Corswain said:

 

GW's newsletter competition is drawn 30th June and winners notified in July. Release date cannot be earlier than that. Mid to late July seems likely.

Pre-orders can start before that though and will likely run two weeks.

[ZeroWolf]

Plus the competition is technically things to go with the box (though realistically you'll want the head and shoulder pads). So if they really wanted to, they could sell the box before.

 

That being said, a repeat of last year's AoS launch window looks likely.

 

Of course, I think we'll definitely see preorders open up in June (anywhere from June 14th onwards)

[Fire Golem]

In terms of preorder date, Elarin on TGA has usually been pretty spot on with dates:

 

so that would be 5th July?

 

edit: or 28th June if this weekend is one of the 2 before Cathay. 

Edited Sunday at 09:47 PM by Fire Golem

[Marshal Loss]

The original 23 May trailer article mentioned the new edition launching in a 'few weeks time' (and 'few weeks' was used in a variety of contexts across the various articles), so even accounting for the preview being a week earlier than originally intended I don't think we'll be waiting very long. Mid to late June preorder sounds likely. 

 

Happily the Sunday article says we'll be getting rules previews this week, so at least we'll have something more solid to sink our teeth into:

 

Here at Warhammer Community, we get to answer the burning question “How Cool is 7 Cool?” in an exciting first look at new rules from Warhammer: The Horus Heresy, including the new characteristics for units and weapons, and the mysterious Tactical Statuses.

[HeadlessCross]

5 hours ago, Unknown Legionnaire said:

 

 

First, I find it kinda funny but also telling how people have gotten at each other over this silly topic.

 

Second, that comment was never meant to touch on that particular 'fact' in the fluff, it merely touched on the vibes you get in storytelling depending on how something is being done / executed in terms of ideas.

We all know it's happening of course, but for me it's a matter of how it's being presented.

I just feel like 1.0 did it in more sublte ways as opposed to 'new style'.

But what do I know ... 

You're right. The blurb about the Death Guard should've actually called them the Dusk Raiders to be accurate since that was their first name. 

[Lord Marshal]

58 minutes ago, Fire Golem said:

In terms of preorder date, Elarin on TGA has usually been pretty spot on with dates:

 

so that would be 5th July?

 

edit: or 28th June if this weekend is one of the 2 before Cathay. 

 

Chaos Knights -> Kill Team -> Cathay -> Imperial Knights and/or Space Wolves -> Heresy then, I guess?

 

Edited Sunday at 10:38 PM by Lord Marshal

[DuskRaider]

On 5/31/2025 at 8:01 AM, crimsondave said:

I think taking lore seriously is a good thing for IPs but GW has never taken 40K lore seriously since 1987.  Abrupt retcons and flat out wrong statements in rule books and novels is nothing new.  It’s the standard.

 

Deciding that the new edition is gonna suck before it’s out seems self defeating.  I hate 10th edition 40K, but that doesn’t mean 11th edition won’t be better.

Hey, that’s me. I’m that guy. I see 30K as an historical game and I absolutely loathe when the lore is messed with. Whether it’s fans or GW proper, the lore is sacred and just because it’s GW making the changes doesn’t mean they’re good or correct. In fact, I’ll go out and say that the HH book series gave too much away and left very little in the shadows, which IMO was a big mistake. 
 

Not saying this new edition is going to suck (though if 2nd is any indication…), but their need to constantly futz with the lore is just dumb. 

1 hour ago, HeadlessCross said:

You're right. The blurb about the Death Guard should've actually called them the Dusk Raiders to be accurate since that was their first name. 

Leave me out of this. 

[Corswain]

3 hours ago, BitsHammer said:

Pre-orders can start before that though and will likely run two weeks.

 

Possible but it would be strange to allow people to pre-order the product and then draw the winners. I know it's not too many to deal with but it would save them unnecessary refund hassles.

[Marshal Rohr]

5 minutes ago, Corswain said:

 

Possible but it would be strange to allow people to pre-order the product and then draw the winners. I know it's not too many to deal with but it would save them unnecessary refund hassles.

The drawing doesn’t include Saturnine unless they updated it, it was missing in the initial email I got. 

Edited yesterday at 12:28 AM by Marshal Rohr

[Corswain]

27 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

The drawing doesn’t include Saturnine unless they updated it, it was missing in the initial email I got. 

 

Oh, I see! You're all correct. I guess I assumed the prize included the box itself as well.

 

I still think mid to late July but could be any time now, I suppose. More exciting to think it could drop at any moment.

[Marshal Rohr]

The guy from the Age of Sigmar forums has a good track record. The reveal push up was probably to move the Space Wolf release around so it doesn’t fall in the “spending window” or whatever the money suits calculus is for the upcoming Codex Space Marines 2: More Mariner in August/September. 

[BitsHammer]

4 hours ago, DuskRaider said:

Hey, that’s me. I’m that guy. I see 30K as an historical game and I absolutely loathe when the lore is messed with. Whether it’s fans or GW proper, the lore is sacred and just because it’s GW making the changes doesn’t mean they’re good or correct. In fact, I’ll go out and say that the HH book series gave too much away and left very little in the shadows, which IMO was a big mistake. 

Well, speaking of history: "history" changes as we expand out understanding of history through additional accounts and get more perspectives and details. Basically the the way I see it is that the Heresy isn't changing, our understanding of the Heresy is changing as we learn more stuff. I get that the platonic ideal of history is that we'd be get the perspectives we need from the start and not need to find new information or perspectives to have a complete picture, but that's not how it actually works.

 

And the fact that 30k is presented as a historical actually works to it's favor, or at least did in 1.0 when they wrote it as the collective accounts cataloged by a single scribe since it meant that we didn't have "retcons" but rather new information that corrected accounts, or new information collected and cataloged by him. Dropping that in 2.0 was a mistep in my opinion because it removed it from the context of it being history being compiled by one fallible person and presented it from a more omniscient viewpoint that was a severe blow to the flavor of the game.

Edited yesterday at 03:50 AM by BitsHammer

[Wispy]

stuff likes this make we want the most lore unfriendly heresy army just to piss off people who get self-righteous about how people build their own personal armies. I'd build it with Primaris Marines and they'd be Sons of Horus.

Edited yesterday at 04:46 AM by Wispy

[Marshal Rohr]

Simon Elsen did that, a bunch of weenies on Twitter and Reddit cried about it, and it had no impact on anything except Facebook comment sections. 

[BitsHammer]

15 minutes ago, Wispy said:

stuff likes this make we want the most lore unfriendly heresy army just to piss off people who get self-righteous about how people build their own personal armies. I'd build it with Primaris Marines and they'd be Sons of Horus.

I'd rather focus on having fun than spending my time trying to poke the internet for reactions.

[Wispy]

17 minutes ago, BitsHammer said:

I'd rather focus on having fun than spending my time trying to poke the internet for reactions.

this is entirely theoretical poking. i don't have time to paint anything but my space wolves and maybe sometimes my stormcast. my point is nobody should be policing "lore" in people's personal armies and if someone " absolutely loathe when the lore is messed [by] ... fans," then they deserve to have their :cuss: poked. 

 

27 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Simon Elsen did that, a bunch of weenies on Twitter and Reddit cried about it, and it had no impact on anything except Facebook comment sections. 

man is living the dream. also i googled his name and found this, lol rivet counters 

[Marshal Rohr]

Jack is part of the narrative UK scene and has a podcast about narrative army building. No EOs would allow a Primaris army at an event people pay money for, but no one is kicking them out of stores if they show up for a pick up game. That whole controversy stemmed from people throwing [redacted] at the walls because people were turned away from events for proxies but the events were billed as weekend narrative campaigns. Jack uses converted Primaris in his armies, the issue isn’t the Primaris themselves, it was the Twitter and Reddit losers hammering on about Gatekeeping at the height of the Arch drama. 
 

It’s like showing up to a “Trains of the 1800s” event with a maglev. What are you doing here. Go to an event that has all trains. It’s more arbitrary side picking where there’s already communities to join and be a part of. 

Edited yesterday at 05:39 AM by Marshal Rohr

[Wispy]

Jack sounds unhinged and unfun guy to do hobby with. That Post of his was cringe. Horus Heresy is a fictional setting and not a historical one. It's just another GW miniature game.

Edited yesterday at 05:46 AM by Wispy