Horus Heresy New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?

[TheTrans]

3 hours ago, MARK0SIAN said:

I agree but I think there’s a difference between ripping them apart just because they’re weaker and ripping them apart because you can no longer justify running them.

 

If a unit has been changed to the point that it can no longer fulfil its role in your list or can no longer justify the points it costs then what alternative do people have? Either run an ineffective unit, leave it on the shelf to never see the table again or change it to something else. 
 

It sucks that anyone would have to do that but I don’t think it’s fair to expect anyone to do otherwise and doing it doesn’t make you a power gamer or highly competitive, it just means you want a functioning army on the table.

 

 

[The boater]

56 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

I was thinking about it more last night, specifically relating to Thallax. If Plasma-Fusils follow the same nerf, it’s going to encourage even more Myrmidon spam, since access to different weapons in the Mech list is fairly limited. We really need the Libers. Hopefully we can get Cathay out of the way and they do heresy the Saturday after next. 
 

 

Edit: If the Ironfire Rite of War keeps the boosts from being close to barrage blast templates, I imagine we will see lots of Plasma Bombard Saturnine in IW lists in spite of the nerf. 

Shouldn’t be a problem for thallax, they still have multimeltas and photon thrusters for ap2. Real question for them is if the rad cleanser will still be an option considering it didn’t make it in the kit, and was likely the least taken option for them. 

[Marshal Rohr]

Just now, The boater said:

Shouldn’t be a problem for thallax, they still have multimeltas and photon thrusters for ap2. Real question for them is if the rad cleanser will still be an option considering it didn’t make it in the kit, and was likely the least taken option for them. 

Should be coming as a second box, similar to Leviathans coming in Melee and Ranged versions. One box has Meltas and Thrusters, one has Rad and Lasers. 

[Gorgoff]

1 hour ago, Marshal Rohr said:

I was thinking about it more last night, specifically relating to Thallax. If Plasma-Fusils follow the same nerf, it’s going to encourage even more Myrmidon spam, since access to different weapons in the Mech list is fairly limited. We really need the Libers. Hopefully we can get Cathay out of the way and they do heresy the Saturday after next. 
 

 

Edit: If the Ironfire Rite of War keeps the boosts from being close to barrage blast templates, I imagine we will see lots of Plasma Bombard Saturnine in IW lists in spite of the nerf. 

I wouldn't count on Rite of Wars. Rumour said they are gone. 

I could imagine every legion getting some sort of special detachment with some rules to it but I completely said goodbye Rite of War. We had fun with you but now you go the way of the Dodo. 

Isn't a bad thing either. There were always the too good ones and I am convinced that baking legion rules and style into their general rules is a lot better than hiding it behind some form of Rite of War, named characters, warlord traits and the like. Those should all just be a nice special thing but the legions should feel like they are in the fluff without any of them.

[Marshal Rohr]

9 minutes ago, Gorgoff said:

I wouldn't count on Rite of Wars. Rumour said they are gone. 

I could imagine every legion getting some sort of special detachment with some rules to it but I completely said goodbye Rite of War. We had fun with you but now you go the way of the Dodo. 

Isn't a bad thing either. There were always the too good ones and I am convinced that baking legion rules and style into their general rules is a lot better than hiding it behind some form of Rite of War, named characters, warlord traits and the like. Those should all just be a nice special thing but the legions should feel like they are in the fluff without any of them.

Rites did more than army comp changes, though. It’ll probably be the detachment rules they’ve mentioned a few times. Like Master of the Legion can take an Auxiliary Detachment and Apex Detachment or replace with Prime Detachment with a Legion Rite detachment. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Marshal Rohr

[Lord Marshal]

Time for the Saturnine sprues. They also confirm there's another variant coming later and the weapon options are designed to snap-in along with slots made for magnets:

 

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The baseline Saturnine Dreadnought you find in the launch box is dubbed the Chiron configuration. Later this year you’ll get to add the powerful weapons of the Ophion configuration to your armoury, including an inversion beamer that gets stronger the closer you are to your target, and a graviton pulveriser that puts out a lot of raw damage. 

 

The best part is, you won’t miss out on these new weapons just because you got your Dreadnought in the awesome Saturnine box set, as they’ll be available separately, much like the weapon sets for the Contemptor, Leviathan and Deredeo Dreadnoughts.   

 

Due to the way the arms and weapon mounts are made, you can even carefully snap the guns in and out as you please rather than gluing them, or put magnets into pre-made slots for an even more secure fit.

 

 

 

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[SkimaskMohawk]

11 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

I was thinking about it more last night, specifically relating to Thallax. If Plasma-Fusils follow the same nerf, it’s going to encourage even more Myrmidon spam, since access to different weapons in the Mech list is fairly limited. We really need the Libers. Hopefully we can get Cathay out of the way and they do heresy the Saturday after next. 

 

Plasma fusils are weird in how they were implemented. In 1st they were str 6 ap3 with a higher rate of fire and no overheat, basically tau plasma rifles. Then in 2nd, they kept that ap 3 when all the other plasma went to ap4, kept their high rate of fire, and also got breaching 4+. Suddenly they were far and away the best plasma option available. 

 

So I can see them going back to the classic tau profile, or being kept on as the apex plasma. Either way I'd expect them to get weaker.

[CL_Mission]

Glad there are some other weapon options coming for the dread as I'm not so keen on the disintegrator and not surprise to see this dread handled the same way as the contemptor from the current box.

Absoluteness love this set of options

 

[Doobles57]

10 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

Time for the Saturnine sprues. They also confirm there's another variant coming later and the weapon options are designed to snap-in along with slots made for magnets:

 

 

 

 

 

 

The more I see of the Saturnine kits the more I like. The cosmetic options look nice and now I'm not sure which army to do them as. Will require some thought.

 

Magnet support for the weapons is excellent news. Going by the sprues and the article, I'm not sure you'll be able to double up on them and will need to mix and match? Might be wrong, but I personally quite like the idea of have paired weapons rather than different ones. Similarly no mention of a CCW option. Guess it keeps the smaller dreads in a punchy-robot role and stops this being an ultimate all-rounder.

[Astartes Consul]

'...an inversion beamer that gets stronger the closer you are to your target...'

 

Incredible work. No notes. Love the silliness.

[Xirix]

I wasn't expecting additional weapons later on... for some reason. They look sick. ^^ Also is this the first time Warcom or anyone in an official capacity have mentioned the magnet holes? It's about time. XD

[Matcap86]

The customisation options are actually really really good. Damn... now I actually might want a Saturnine dread...

[No Foes Remain]

I wasn't about it, at least in the current weapon sets, but that eye of Horus section is very tempting.

 

Also, is this the first time they've called out the magnet holes? The contemptor dread had them but that wasn't highlighted in the article for it was it?

[Fire Golem]

7 minutes ago, Doobles57 said:

 

The more I see of the Saturnine kits the more I like. The cosmetic options look nice and now I'm not sure which army to do them as. Will require some thought.

 

Magnet support for the weapons is excellent news. Going by the sprues and the article, I'm not sure you'll be able to double up on them and will need to mix and match? Might be wrong, but I personally quite like the idea of have paired weapons rather than different ones. Similarly no mention of a CCW option. Guess it keeps the smaller dreads in a punchy-robot role and stops this being an ultimate all-rounder.

Im struggling to decide which legion to do my Saturnine stuff in to!

[Petitioner's City]

11 minutes ago, Xirix said:

I wasn't expecting additional weapons later on... for some reason. They look sick. ^^ Also is this the first time Warcom or anyone in an official capacity have mentioned the magnet holes? It's about time. XD

 

4 minutes ago, No Foes Remain said:

I wasn't about it, at least in the current weapon sets, but that eye of Horus section is very tempting.

 

Also, is this the first time they've called out the magnet holes? The contemptor dread had them but that wasn't highlighted in the article for it was it?

 

AT I believe, long long ago, on twitch I think?

 

A more cursory search revealed, for example, this!

Edited 6 hours ago by Petitioner's City

[Hungry Nostraman Lizard]

1 hour ago, Gorgoff said:

I wouldn't count on Rite of Wars. Rumour said they are gone. 

I could imagine every legion getting some sort of special detachment with some rules to it but I completely said goodbye Rite of War. We had fun with you but now you go the way of the Dodo. 

Isn't a bad thing either. There were always the too good ones and I am convinced that baking legion rules and style into their general rules is a lot better than hiding it behind some form of Rite of War, named characters, warlord traits and the like. Those should all just be a nice special thing but the legions should feel like they are in the fluff without any of them.

I actually think i'd prefer RoW going away, to be baked into Legion rules more. It was always the hardest part to explain to newcomers who only had 8th and onwards 40k as a wargaming start. List building suddenly being changed up was confusing, in this regard if you had no other metric or prior hobby gaming experience.

Re: the dreadnought. I hate the size of it. I hate those dumb shoulders. Maybe it'll look less stupid once actual hobbyists get to pose it. I like the consumer friendly options mentioned in todays' article. I think I would actually like the dreadnought, if it was the same size as a leviathan, or like 1mm taller. Why is it the size of an armiger/baby knight, I don't know. (Bigger than one, I think?)

[BitsHammer]

Oh good, no rules for me to bungle today.

 

I'd love the Inversion Beamer if we had a melee option arm, but a big graviton cannon looks fun.

[Fire Golem]

Just now, BitsHammer said:

Oh good, no rules for me to bungle today.

 

I'd love the Inversion Beamer if we had a melee option arm, but a big graviton cannon looks fun.

There’s a rules article coming too ;)

[Misterduch]

13 minutes ago, No Foes Remain said:

I wasn't about it, at least in the current weapon sets, but that eye of Horus section is very tempting.

 

Also, is this the first time they've called out the magnet holes? The contemptor dread had them but that wasn't highlighted in the article for it was it?

 

All plastic dreads have had holes so far iirc, but it is the first time I recall seeing it called out by Geedubs

[MoriyaSchism]

The weapon frame being sold separately is great news. Hopefully the joints for the chest mounted guns are on the weapon frame too. This will make building my own Saturnine proxy easier. 

[Lord Marshal]

Saturnine Dreadnought lore. Guess the rules will be tomorrow?

 

And some new colour plates:

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Lord Marshal

[Antarius]

3 hours ago, Gorgoff said:

I you not I've read on Discord the other day someone complaining that tacticals always have 2 shots on 24 inches know just to complain five minutes after that about tacticals being boring in 2ed and doing no damage. 

We live in wild times. 

For some people, complaining about the hobby is the hobby.

[dicebod]

17 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

Saturnine Dreadnought lore. Guess the rules will be tomorrow?

 

And some new colour plates:

 

Also of note - the Thousand Sons dread has two of the disintegrators!

[BitsHammer]

39 minutes ago, Fire Golem said:

There’s a rules article coming too ;)

That's tomorrow me's problem.

[Casual Heresy]

Oh the Thousand Sons artwork is enough tempt one into treachery...

 

As tempting as it is I will be sticking with the XIIIth and I'm looking forward to painting this beast in blue white and gold.

 

Interesting that the artwork suggests you can double up on main weapons. Double Disintegrators would be fun!