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4 hours ago, twopounder said:

 

You can hate me all you want, but is your money. GW is cutting a lot of corners to make the deadline and they are charging a premium for it.

 

Not sure why you think people here'd hate you for these comments? Think there's plenty of people (rightfully) critical of GW on here. And down votes are not a thing  here:sweat:.

9 hours ago, Matcap86 said:

 

Not sure why you think people here'd hate you for these comments? Think there's plenty of people (rightfully) critical of GW on here. And down votes are not a thing  here:sweat:.

 

I've seen a lot of negative reactions to anyone who is critical of GW stuff, even when its justified. Kind of crazy that people aren't holding GW to the price point of the models and game. I mean, we pay a fortune for this stuff, so getting stuff that is sub par should burn everyone.

 

9 hours ago, Antarius said:

At the risk of sounding insane and/or hateful, I honestly think it looks quite good.

I probably won't buy it, unless I win the lottery sometime before it's released, but I think it's a really nice model and it'd be a fun project to do legion heraldy, weathering etc. on it.

 

Everyone is free to like or dislike it, but I think the point is more that (for its price) it seems like a step backwards from kits that came out a decade + ago.

8 hours ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

That's not insane Brother,  it's a cool mini. Just those HBs are janky, set up with the Quad Lascannon and you're winning the rule of cool.

Given the front gun port is the same as a land raider proteus/spartan, I'll be sad if we can't put lascannons there too!

12 minutes ago, twopounder said:

Everyone is free to like or dislike it, but I think the point is more that (for its price) it seems like a step backwards from kits that came out a decade + ago.

I know I am. My point (apart from how liking/disliking models is subjective) is that it's a bit counterproductive to say that people who disagree with you on matters of taste are insane and or that their disagreement is somehow "hate". I don't say this to be snarky, it's just because I think we generally get better discussions if we avoid that kind of thing.

On 5/25/2025 at 7:03 AM, Marshal Rohr said:

Nothing a few hours painstakingly removing, measuring, cutting, and expanding the upper magazines won’t fix. Oh and gap filling. Easy peasy. 

Or just painting black into the line between the steel magazine housing and the lower black gun casing to represent that the box does just pop off the side and is not an integrated piece? 

 

Quad mount like that is just a really awkward design from the start... but it's 'rule of cool' awkward and that makes it fine to good for me. 

 

It's cool, but I wouldn't use it often enough to warrant actually buying.

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

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On 6/21/2025 at 8:54 AM, Matcap86 said:

 

Not sure why you think people here'd hate you for these comments? Think there's plenty of people (rightfully) critical of GW on here. And down votes are not a thing  here:sweat:.

 

I think it's ok to criticise, as long as we also recognise that this kit will be infinitely better than the Resin model that preceeded it.

On 6/21/2025 at 4:47 AM, twopounder said:

 

As I've said before, this comes down to their constrained manufacturing. Artists are under pressure to create models that are easy to cut molds for and can get into the timeslot on the machines. GW has an insane production schedule. They could fill in for out of stock stuff if its slightly, but there is no way they could afford a delay of weeks. It would throw off their entire schedule.

I know I'm going to get a bunch of downvotes for this, but for those that are still sane, I've worked in a factory that did extrusion (similar to injection molding but not. If you know you know).

This has clearly been an issue for a long while because their vehicles are all so poorly designed to fit into this schedule, Like laughably bad designed. How do I know? Because I've done 3d art and also was able to start 3d modelling a Sicaran from the 2d artwork. I'm not a great 3d modeler, but this was really easy.

 

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Step 10

 

I even modernized the tracks

Step 11

 

You can hate me all you want, but is your money. GW is cutting a lot of corners to make the deadline and they are charging a premium for it.

Sorry to dig this back up, but what exactly are you trying to demonstrate by tracing over that image of a sicaran track unit?

2 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

 

I think it's ok to criticise, as long as we also recognise that this kit will be infinitely better than the Resin model that preceeded it.

better as a kit to assemble? Sure.

Aesthetically? Nah.

57 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Can you point to what looks worse? Objectively

Counterpoint: What looks better objectively on the plastic one? Myself I'm about 50/50 on which one I prefer; the plastic one will definitely be nicer to build than the legendarily difficult resin one but the quad heavy bolters on the plastic kit (assuming you use them) are an eyesore. I will say I much prefer the demolisher cannon shroud/mantlet on the resin model. Though judgement is a touch difficult to pass given the much nicer paintjob on the old resin one.

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You'll have to excuse my description because I don't know the names for things;

The new one has the circles that edge the side armour

The new one has the grid thing at the lower front hull

The new one has the deimos type doors

The new ones oil barrels are different from traditional Imperial Guard type ones

 

'better' is obviously subjective; I prefer the old cannon barrels because they are chunky, but prefer the newer body, but it more closely matches the rest of the range now and that isn't subjective. 

6 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

Counterpoint: What looks better objectively on the plastic one? Myself I'm about 50/50 on which one I prefer; the plastic one will definitely be nicer to build than the legendarily difficult resin one but the quad heavy bolters on the plastic kit (assuming you use them) are an eyesore. I will say I much prefer the demolisher cannon shroud/mantlet on the resin model. Though judgement is a touch difficult to pass given the much nicer paintjob on the old resin one.

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Having looked at both now, using the images in this topic, I think the new one has nicer and cleaner details, more definition, and a few extra bits that add to the more boring and flat surfaces.

I like both.  

 

The resin one is a bit closer to 40k marine vehicles with the rectangular doors.  The demolisher on the resin one maybe looks a bit better being recessed, but then I also really like that the demolisher on the new plastic matches the style of the cannon on the Deimos Vindicator and the Typhon.

 

I think the only thing we can say objectively is the new one should be easier to build because it is all plastic.

I'm a fan of this and will look at getting one. I prefer this demolisher canon style, the resin one is next kind of flopping about on a physical ball joint which is visible. I'm not 100% on the door change, but that's the way things are going. Other flyers will be interesting if the change the storm eagles to have round doors also...

23 hours ago, Valkyrion said:

The new one has the circles that edge the side armour

 

This is actually one of the few things about the plastic one (heavy bolters aside) I dislike, if only because it suggests the wheels are attached directly to the hull with no suspension of any kind whatsoever. The old resin one having the simple side-skirts at least gave the suggestion the running gear might have some form of suspension. That is purely a tank nerd complaint admittedly, but I think it's worth noting.

 

The Deimos Rhino style side doors are cool, I don't prefer one over the other but it does look nice on the plastic one. The other differences are comparatively minor, though I will say I generally prefer more restrained detail on tanks with room left for stowage or other separate detailing, rather than a tonne of sculpted-on greebles. Overall I think the two are about equal aesthetically, and the main thing the plastic one has over the resin one is not being a swine to put together, which is admittedly a great advantage.

On 7/5/2025 at 12:04 AM, Robbienw said:

I like both.  

 

The resin one is a bit closer to 40k marine vehicles with the rectangular doors.  The demolisher on the resin one maybe looks a bit better being recessed, but then I also really like that the demolisher on the new plastic matches the style of the cannon on the Deimos Vindicator and the Typhon.

 

I think the only thing we can say objectively is the new one should be easier to build because it is all plastic.

I agree it matches the Typhon and Deimos Vindicator - thing is I really don’t like the Deimos vindicator mount. Would have much preferred something closer to the 40K version, complete with big-ass siege shield. Agree about ease of building. I bought a resin one fully built (cupolas notwithstanding) because I didn’t want to miss out but I really didn’t fancy building it!

23 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

This is actually one of the few things about the plastic one (heavy bolters aside) I dislike, if only because it suggests the wheels are attached directly to the hull with no suspension of any kind whatsoever. The old resin one having the simple side-skirts at least gave the suggestion the running gear might have some form of suspension. That is purely a tank nerd complaint admittedly, but I think it's worth noting.

 

The Deimos Rhino style side doors are cool, I don't prefer one over the other but it does look nice on the plastic one. The other differences are comparatively minor, though I will say I generally prefer more restrained detail on tanks with room left for stowage or other separate detailing, rather than a tonne of sculpted-on greebles. Overall I think the two are about equal aesthetically, and the main thing the plastic one has over the resin one is not being a swine to put together, which is admittedly a great advantage.

I agree about the wheels. I don’t prefer the Deimos doors over the Mars pattern ones but it does keep it consistent with the rest of the range so that makes sense. 

On 7/4/2025 at 4:52 PM, Evil Eye said:

Counterpoint: What looks better objectively on the plastic one? Myself I'm about 50/50 on which one I prefer; the plastic one will definitely be nicer to build than the legendarily difficult resin one but the quad heavy bolters on the plastic kit (assuming you use them) are an eyesore. I will say I much prefer the demolisher cannon shroud/mantlet on the resin model. Though judgement is a touch difficult to pass given the much nicer paintjob on the old resin one.

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Much prefer the demolisher mantlet on the resin one too.

18 hours ago, Wibbling said:

 

Err,they can't redesign the entire  tank. It's an iconic design. That's what it looks like. Did you mean something else?

I accept that the plastic kit will be easier to build. I do not accept that it is aesthetically superior. It’s an iconic design - I want fewer changes! If anything, a redesign is opposite of what I’m suggesting! :p

Well the front center hull between the tracks looks better in the new kit to me. Echos a Landraider a bit and the Demolisher looks more like a Vindicator to tie the tank in more with the line. The old one looks like Plastic card could have done that bit.

The more I look at it, whilst I would still rather buy the plastic one and modify it to suit my preferences, I can see a lot more about the resin one I prefer. Off the top of my head:

>The inner sides of the brackets for the front idler wheels. On the resin kit they have a nice bolted assembly, vs the plastic one which has what looks like a mounting lug for a giant socket-wrench.

>The front of the tank does seem a bit overdetailed for my taste on the plastic one, though this is a more minor issue.

>The cupola, ammunition storage and rear bustle on the turret of the plastic kit looks far more tacked on (and noticably taller) than the resin kit, where those elements are better integrated into the shape of the turret.

>The little targeter above the main guns also stands a bit proud of the rest of the turret on the plastic version compared to the resin model.

>The overall slightly smoother angles on stuff like the side armour (especially the guards for the sponson mechanisms) on the resin kit IMO at least look a lot better than the more angular plastic version.

>The fuel drums on the back of the plastic one bother me, they look a bit too much like they've been run through a "miscellaneous sci-fi detail" filter without much thought as to what any of it means in the context of the design.

Again, I'd much rather just modify the plastic kit than deal with the HORROR of the resin one but I feel the update was less of a knockout than, say, the Sicaran.

On 7/4/2025 at 12:24 PM, roryokane said:

Nope to the optional heavy bolter sponsons, or nope to the whole thing?

The whole thing.....theres just so many little things that dont do it for me, but the heavy bolters are the straw that broke the back of it.  I thought it was just a case of poor cut and paste in the advertisement images, but to see its the actual things just says to me that gw quality control doesnt really care a jot about the customers and will push substandard design purely to rush out a product and get the most amount of money for the least amount of effort, but im sure it will sell well so they will keep treating customers as the cash cow they are.

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