Taghmata Omnissiah - The HH 3rd Ed Mechanicum Discussion

[Trokair]

Taghmata Omnissiah - The HH 3rd Ed Mechanicum Discussion   

 

While the Sky might have been falling for the Astartes (and unfalling somewhat today), what little I have been able to gleam from reviews on the Omnisiaah's forces seems to have been more positives, even with the loss of a few options and the Ordinatus (as far as I can tell).

 

However I will reserve judgment until I can actually see all the rules and especially until I have gotten my head around how army selection works for us. I did always a have a few spare Tech-Priest  models (between conversion and the 40k selection), so I don’t think our command/troop choice fillers is going to be an issue for me, maybe.

 

Anyway, I thought we should have our own thread so as to not get buried by the Astartes.

 

So fellow devotes of the Omnissiah, how are we feeling in this new Age of Darkness? What new options and strategies are there and how will our collections transition.

 

 

 

[Pearson73]

Definitely intrigued to see how things work with unit selection. From what I've seen the new force organisation feels very fluffly for Mechanicum with each Magos bringing their own personal entourage almost. 

 

The new pricing for Thallax seems way undercosted, though I don't know if they keep their jumping shennanigans.

[Xenith]

I haven't seen the mech rules but have read that Thallax and castellax are a lot cheaper now as they suffer a bit with the damage stat on weapons - previously you needed like 4 lascannon wounds to take down one castellax, but with D2 that's halved, and demolisher cannons will be killing a Thallax per wound. I'm hoping they're just as mobile, mainly as I just painted a unit of them, though they're less important now that everything can score. 

[Trokair]

With the book in had I have only had a glance through, so there may well be aspects I am still missing. However my first stop was Thallax (and by extension Ursarax) as they are the reason why I have a Mechancium Army in the first place. To think that the Thallax is turning 12 this year (I know they were in the June 2013 WD, but I can’t remember the actual release date as I did not get my first lot until a few months later).

 

 

The first thing and I think most significant change is that Thallax (and Ursarax) are now two wounds instead of three, and we have lost our feel no pain, however they are now 3+ and 6++ and down to 20p from 37p (HH2 or even 40 in HH1).

 

This change to me fundamentally changes the nature of the unit.  Thallax have gone from cybernetic jump pack OEQ (Ogryn equivalents, T5 3W 4+) kind of unit into more of a fancy marine or given the base size a terminator knock off. Now in a sense from a fluff point of view they were a marine equivalent, and the Lorica Thallax being a divergent power armour development. However from a how to use on the tabletop to me at least (and without having played any games yet) they have had a role change, we will see how this plays out.

 

Other changes of note are:

• A movement increase to 10 in exchange for the jet pack utility, which I am fine with, and in fact in my home made attempts to port Thallax to 40k (for 8^th, 9^th and 10^th edition I did much the same thing, taking the cue from Tau Battle suits that also used to be jet pack back in 7^th). They have the Antigrav type, so can still move over models and terrain so that aspect has not been lost.
• The Lightning Gun has finished the Transition it started in HH2 and is now only a 3 shot S5 gun instead of a 1 shot s7 Rending gun it was in HH1, and as such has lots a little utility compared to the HH2 version with both profiles, but again I think I am ok with this (and again did similar in my 40k port house rules, taking cues form necron tesla weapons), especially given the next point.
• Special weapons are no longer limited to one in three, so if you want to load up you can. For my own I will probably stick to 1 in three for now, as that is how I built them, but when I get round to building Thallax #25-30 for my collection I’ll probably build them mostly as special to bulk out or swap out with the existing units (I am at 18 Resin and 3 Plastic built and painted, with another 9 plastic on sprue).  I-rad cleanser and Multilaser are gone, which given that the former has been out of production for some years now, and hte latter never had a model is not surprising. I guess that plan for converting a plastic Thallax to have a multilaser will now never happen, oh well, they where the less used weapon options anyhow, Maybe it was my target selection, but my one I-rad never seem to do anything.  The Photon-Thruster, Phased Plasma Fussile and Multimelta all changed a little with the edition transition, but they look like they still do the same jobs as before more or less.  
• Squad size is now at 6 to 9, and I will miss having small three Thallax units around but given the price drop (and the contents of the plastic box) this change was on the cards, to be honest I am a little surprised the option of going to 9 remained

 

If you take Ordo Reductor Archmagos then there is a Apex detachment that you can fill with three Thallax units that can take a Prime Advantage for a 5++ and an extra point of leadership.

 

 

Ursarax

 

Changes are much the same as the Thallax, 2 wounds, 3+ 6++, power fists nolonger limited to one in three and a simmlar price drop to 25p (from 45 in HH2 and 50 in HH1). Their fists however are nolonger true power fists in that they are S+2 (so S6) and not Sx2.

 

That said, if you take a Lacyraemarta Archmagos then corresponding uniq Apex detachment can field up to three units of Ursarax that can take a Prime Advantages that adds two to their strength and gives them an extra wound, basically putting them back to where they used to be (and making the lightning claw stronger to boot).

 

 

 

Taking my army into HH3

 

The core of my Ordo Reductor themed list in both HH1 and HH2 was always along the line of:

• 1 tooled up Archmagos
• 4 units of Thallax (one 6man with plasma, and a 3 man of each MM, Photon and I-rad respectively)
• 1 unit of Ursarax (6 to 9) 
• 3 Medusa Tanks

And then additional units added for flavour or points permitting, such as more Thallax, Macrocarid Explorator and whatever took my fancy.

 

 

In terms of bring this into HH3, the smaller Thallax units get amalgamated into 6 man units, the Ursarax stay as is and while the Medusa tanks are dead (and unless there is a surprise in the Legacy PDF will remain so) with plastic Krios now a thing I will just do a one for one replacement, and the Medusa might find a home in a marine list somewhere).

 

I will need a second character, but I have a few spare Magos/Techprist models, so that Tax is ok, more problematic is that the Archmagos have lost access to jet pack, so when joined to Thallax/Ursarax will slow the entire unit down.

 

So the core of my list I think is going to be fine, though with the point drops I think what used ot be approx.2k is now 1.5k. I guess I am playing smaller games (which honestly suits me) until I can build more stuff. I havent looked to close at the Cybernetica stuff, but I suspect that my 2k Automata list is likewise smaller.

 

[Astartes Consul]

Assuming one had the Mechanicum Support Group box and six Thallax on the shelf, how would you build that out into an allied detatchment / small army?

[Cleon]

3 hours ago, Astartes Consul said:

Assuming one had the Mechanicum Support Group box and six Thallax on the shelf, how would you build that out into an allied detatchment / small army?

As I understand it, it's going to be a little painful, please bear with me as the names for all the new slots bounced straight off my simple brain.

 

What you have is:

A Krios (tank slot)

A Karacnos (also tank slot, Hooray!)
A Thanatar (dreadnought slot)

and a Thallax cohort which is the troopy thing with the transport on it - support slot?

 

So you're going to need the Allied detachment to be legal, which is annoying as you have nothing that goes in there, but you are going to need force unlock heroes, so hooray I guess.

 

First you'll want to grab that HQ in the prime slot and take Logisitical benefit so you can take the Thanatar without taking a Heavy support detachment.

Then you need enough HQ to unlock an Armoured support detachment to take both the tanks and a Tactical support to let you take the Thallax.

 

To build out I'd then look at extra units in the free slots I ha left, so basic troops and more of the thallax style support things?

 

 

 

[Trokair]

3 hours ago, Astartes Consul said:

Assuming one had the Mechanicum Support Group box and six Thallax on the shelf, how would you build that out into an allied detatchment / small army?

 

 

I haven’t got my head fully around army building yet (and the added weirdness of the Mechanicum specific quirks) but I think the following is all correct... 

First of the two quirks to keep in mind with Mechnaicum list building:

 

1. Our Troop choice is a 30p (before upgrades) Tech-Priest, they can join units, provide buffs or utility through equipment choices and cyberthurgy

The traditional Troop choices (Thallax, Castellax and Tech-Thralls) are all support choices now. Mechancium dose get a bespoke Auxillia Detachment (Taghmata Cohort) with 4 Support slots, so you can still filed plenty of what used to be troop.
It does feel strange that we need to use one of our auxiliary slots to field the sort of units (and in the quantity if we so choose) that other armies get of the bat with the Primary or Ally Detachment in the form of 4 Troop slots.  

 

2. Mechanicum Sub factions, some units have predetermined sub factions (Cybernetica for Castlellax (and all Automat I think), Lacrymaerta for Tech-Thralls and Reductor for Thallax. This is all nice and flavourful and keys of certain abilities and rules. The army building issue is that with the exception of the Primary (or Allied) detachment all units in a detachment must be of the same sub faction. So that 4 support slot Axulliary detachment I mentioned can take up to 4 units of Castellax or up to 4 units of Tech Thrall etc, but it cannot be used to take 1 Unit of each of Castellax, Thallax and Tech-Thralls (ie exactly what came in the battle box).
Also as per main rule book, characters joining units from different factions (and I think Mech sub factions count for this) suffer stats penalties.

 

So keeping that in mind, and on the assumption we have One unit of 2 Castellax*, Two units of 6 Thallax, One unit of 20 Tech-Thralls (or Two units of 10) and Triaros as our starting point (as I think that is what you have from what you mentioned) we can do as follow.

 

*Support Slot Castellax can only take Mauler Bolt Cannons, but the Castellax Destructor (a heavy assault slot unit)  which can be built from the same box can come with Multimeltas or Darkfire Cannons  

 

 

As Allies.

 

Get 1 Magos. Which has Officer of the Line (2) so lets us take two Auxilliary detachment, the Comand slot in the Allied Detahcment is also a Prime slot so that Magos can also take Logistica for one extra unit slot.
 

This would let us build:

• Allied Detachment with 1 Magos – I’d probably pick Cybernetica so it can go with the Castellax, or Lacrymaerta if blobbing up with the Tech Thralls
• Logistica slot for one support for Castellax (or one heavy assault for Castlleax Destructor)
• Taghmata Cohort  with 2 units of Thallax
• Taghmata Cohort with 1 (or 2 small) units of Tech Thralls

This does not use the Triaros and if you wanted to use it you either drop one of the three non Magos options above and take a Triaros as either a Logistica or as a Armoured Fist Deatachment or add a second Mago which would give you two more Auxilliary slots, so you could expand and take the auxillary that fits the type of unit you want to take.

 

As full army

If you then wanted to expand into a full army get an Archmagos, either for the Apex Detachment for your subfaction of choice (there are some really interesting one) or another Auxillary Detachment. If going Mech main there are a lot of choices, but due to the above mentioned quirks it is a bit restrictive and you have to pick your theme/intent. 

 

As far as I can tell picking a thematic army that goes with one (or maybe two) sub faction specific units flavours works quite well, but because of the subfaction restriction picking a bit of everything is awkward.

 

Due to the quantity of units that are Cyberntica I think a Cybernetica lists is the easiest to build/round out.

 

 

EDIT: I see from Cleons reply that I may have been thinking ofthe wrong box and therfore which untis you have avilable.

If so then much as he said, A Magos with Logistica get you a heavy suport slot for the Thanatar, the tanks can go in a Armoured Suport and the Thalalx in a Taghmata Cohort (or as there is only one the Tactical Suport would also work)

 

Edited July 26 by Trokair

[Dwango]

So, played 2 games with mech yesterday. Used a similar list to what I was running in V2. It struggled. The lack of line, for contesting objectives, and the lack of speed really hampers the force. Although we have some speedy units, there's nothing that can boost their scoring that can keep up with them. 

 

Things die much more easily too. Having a decimator one shotted was disappointing. 

 

We do have access to some vanguard but this can be a bit of a trap as units can just move react off the objective to negate this. 

 

I have written another list, and have an idea for a third too. My gut feeling is that mech will make a really good allied detachment due to their easy access to battlesmith. 

[Trokair]

11 hours ago, Dwango said:

So, played 2 games with mech yesterday. Used a similar list to what I was running in V2. It struggled. The lack of line, for contesting objectives, and the lack of speed really hampers the force. Although we have some speedy units, there's nothing that can boost their scoring that can keep up with them. 

 

Out of curiosity what dose your list look like?

[Dwango]

11 hours ago, Trokair said:

 

Out of curiosity what dose your list look like?

It was 2k. But had a 3k ready if there was time to play. 

 

These have various wargear/cyberthurgy/weapons added. 

 

Archmagos abeyant

Magos abeyant

Tech priest 

Tech priest

Tech priest

 

Thanatar Cavas

Thanatar Calix

4 castellax dark fire 

Decimator 

3 blood slaughterers

6 thallax 2 plasma

6 thallax 2 multimeltas

 

To make it to 3k 

Magos 

6 scyllax

2 castellax bolt cannons

2 vulterax

2 krios venators

[N1SB]

On 7/27/2025 at 2:48 AM, Trokair said:

• Allied Detachment with 1 Magos – I’d probably pick Cybernetica so it can go with the Castellax, or Lacrymaerta if blobbing up with the Tech Thralls

 

I played Iron Hands allied with Mechanicum in HH 1.0 and I'm thinking an Iron Hands Dreads list now, really am considering what you said to bring Castellax.  Just saturate the battlefield with big stompy robots, more than most armies have Heavy Weapons to deal with...but really, just an excuse to bring Castellaxes.

[Dwango]

2 hours ago, N1SB said:

 

I played Iron Hands allied with Mechanicum in HH 1.0 and I'm thinking an Iron Hands Dreads list now, really am considering what you said to bring Castellax.  Just saturate the battlefield with big stompy robots, more than most armies have Heavy Weapons to deal with...but really, just an excuse to bring Castellaxes.

 

As always, rule of cool for the win. Iron hands dread list with mechanicum allies is very on theme. Will be awesome to see!

 

If my mech wasn't very obviously dark mech, I'd consider allying them with my dangles and bring the ironwing detachment. All the pew pew. 

[Trokair]

On 7/29/2025 at 10:02 AM, N1SB said:

 

I played Iron Hands allied with Mechanicum in HH 1.0 and I'm thinking an Iron Hands Dreads list now, really am considering what you said to bring Castellax.  Just saturate the battlefield with big stompy robots, more than most armies have Heavy Weapons to deal with...but really, just an excuse to bring Castellaxes.

 

Why stop at a handful of Castellax? With a Magos you have two Auxiliary Detachments and if you want to a Prime Logistica slot as well. Assuming you use the first Auxiliary to grab which ever flavour of Castellax you prefer that leaves one Auxiliary and the logistica for your choice from big boy Thanatar, to swift Vorax, Domitars or airborne Vultarax.

 

 

And if you had reason to go Traitor; Decimators, Blood Slaughterers and Great Brass Scorpions are now all Automata as well.

 

On 7/29/2025 at 12:42 PM, Dwango said:

If my mech wasn't very obviously dark mech, I'd consider allying them with my dangles and bring the ironwing detachment. All the pew pew. 

 

Who knows what DAoT stuff the DA are playing with, so what if some of it might have had warnings attached due to strnage other worldy contamination.

[MagicHat]

Finally have the the Liber and rulebook, and I am baffled at some of the choices made.

Magisterum options are utterly bizarre. going from corposant stave or paragon blade and Archeotech pistol with plasma-fusil or photon thruster into anything except those choices is hilarious.

Machinator array losing all weapon properties and the ranged weapon list limits you to flamer or melta gun.

And Myrmidons, Scyllax and Servitors got limited to their kit. Our brave BS5 Scyllax and their fearsome bogstandard bolters.

 

God lord, transports can't carry models from another faction. Every tech-arcana counts as a different faction, and they know this, because Triaros is the only tank that can choose a faction. And it is a heavy transport, so you can't put it in the Primary detachment. The Makrotek apex detachment, with their fancy +2 carrying capacity prime advantage trait, which I assumed was for carrying 16 Scyllax, Abeyant magos and another magos can't even do that because Scyllax are automata, not infantry [EDIT: DISREGARD, the retinues compact allows them to enter transports]. The makrotek triaros have no infantry to carry bar the characters. It hurts, this book is causing me pain. And any armoured support or Makrotek Apex detachment that includes any of the tanks locks the Triaros in the detachment into Makrotek. EDIT: Armoured Support is only transports not any tanks, my derp. However, you can't take a Reductor and a Myrmidon Triaros in the same armoured support.

 

What are peoples plans for where to put their characters?

Mixing factions costs you 1Ld, 1 Cool and Comptroller stops working.

Scyllax/Echidnax are the only joinable unit not locked to a faction, but are retinue so probably costs a Logistical benefit.

 

Cybernetica are rather spoiled for choices, but Domitar and Vorax loses Fast 2, which seems rather important for them. Thanatar might make do with a regular tech-priest to repair and let it score 1 VP if on an objective, and give out Overcharged Reactor.

 

Lacrymaerta have Thralls (loses Expendable, dies to Feedback, utterly underwhelming next to Echidnax) or Ursarax, that is massively slowed down if joined. Our wargear lists have zero basis in the models anyway, really disappointing that they didn't give us jump packs for magos. Having a lacrymaerta tech-priest with servo-arm is the only unit I think might be interested mixing into another factions unit. They can heal 3w from any of our infantry (So myrmidons or characters) and would give +1 to any cybertheurgist test for magos in the unit. But again, at the cost of mixing.

 

Myrmidax are easy, just put them with Myrmidons.

Malagra have nothing except the retinues and the weird Apex unit of characters. And you would break the 9" infiltrate if you put them there. Magisterum have no Comptroller so they could go with a unit of automata, but again slows down Vorax and Domitar.

 

Reductor have Thallax, but again, slows them down.

 

Archimandrite have all the friends obviously.

Makrotek have no friends and hiding behind a tank leaves you open to getting clipped by a blast. Echidnax, or Scyllax to attack anyone getting close maybe?

 

I suppose we ought lobby to make the Triaros a Transport slot.

Edited August 7 by MagicHat

[MDops]

5 hours ago, MagicHat said:

God lord, transports can't carry models from another faction. Every tech-arcana counts as a different faction, and they know this, because Triaros is the only tank that can choose a faction. And it is a heavy transport, so you can't put it in the Primary detachment. The Makrotek apex detachment, with their fancy +2 carrying capacity prime advantage trait, which I assumed was for carrying 16 Scyllax, Abeyant magos and another magos can't even do that because Scyllax are automata, not infantry. The makrotek triaros have no infantry to carry bar the characters. It hurts, this book is causing me pain. And any armoured support or Makrotek Apex detachment that includes any of the tanks locks the Triaros in the detachment into Makrotek.

I wonder how much of that was intended. Seems like an oversight unless there is some longterm plan

[MagicHat]

EDIT: Well I derped.

 

They are clearly aware since they didn't factionlock the Triaros. I did mess up with the Scyllax/Echidnax however, their compact rule allows them to enter transports.

Edited August 7 by MagicHat

[Nagashsnee]

I like the idea of list building they were going for. But between using marine symbols for unit types and a FOC system that is so counter intuitive to use list building has become a chore.  I always enjoy making lists for fun but that has gone out the window.

 

I get what they wanted to do, but the results are horrible and really killed allot of early edition fun for me.