40k First Founding Champions + Combat Patrols

[Blindhamster]

26 minutes ago, Silas7 said:

The endless reboxing of space marine kits just hit me as very lazy on GW's part. There's so much they could be doing instead yet it seems all we are getting are quick character one-offs. I do find that primaris beakies are much better than the original versions; lazy grav bike and you'd think with all this grav tech being thrown around GW would bring back grav weapons, maybe a better conversion beamer to make a primaris devastator replacement or a Halo esque gravity hammer for some tarpit melee unit that causes units hit by the hammer to -1 to hit and roll battleshock

the existing iron hand character has a grav weapon, as does the techmarine. They just opted to make them not commonplace

[Evil Eye]

Vulkan looks alright, the base flames are a bit excessive though. Lysander is fantastic, though I hope he can be taken off that obnoxious tactical rock. The Iron Hand is very nice too, love the tetsubo. White Scar is, ehhhhhhh. Not a fan, he really should have been on a normal bike. The Raven Guard guy is...hideous frankly, they took the already pretty dire Primaris Shrike design and made it worse. Absurd tactical rock, too blinged out and just overall dripping with "overdesigned centrepiece model syndrome". Hate it.

 

Also, between this and the KT, why are the White Scars being painted with such dark skin lately? Given they're basically Mongolians in space and are being sculpted as such it's a bit weird to see them painted with what looks more like a Southwestern Asian or even Middle-Eastern skintone. Seems like a very odd choice; I get they're Chogorians and not literally Mongolian, but still.

[Orange Knight]

@Evil Eye

 

Tell us how you really feel 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

1 hour ago, Subtleknife said:

Im a bit hacked off the ultramarines get nothing. They are in a really awkward spot where they arent a special snowflake chapter, but arent the ones that never get anything.

 

To be completely fair to those evil money-grubbing spawn of Slaanesh, I don't believe they actually announced that Ultramarines wouldn't get anything. They just didn't announce that they would,

 

I'd personally still wager that there'll be a Smurf Combat Patrol with a brand-new Sicarius and possibly another new (albeit small) bespoke unit, which they'll announce closer to the time of release.

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Lord Nord in Gravis Armour

[Evil Eye]

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

@Evil Eye

 

Tell us how you really feel 

I don't follow. I just did tell you how I feel; Lysander and the Iron Hands guy are great, Vulkan He'stan is OK, the White Scars guy is a bit mediocre and I don't like that he's robbed Samael of his status as owner of the last functioning Imperial jetike, and the Raven Guard guy is just a visual mess.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Well, this is a GRAV-bike and I'm sure Sammael will be leaving it in the dust once he recovers from his meetup with Angry Ron.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

1 hour ago, Blindhamster said:

the existing iron hand character has a grav weapon, as does the techmarine. They just opted to make them not commonplace

 

No, it's Garadon the ImpFist who has a gravgun.  Feirros has a heavy bolter.

[dienekes96]

I admit being a bit disappointed in Lysander.  The Dave Thomas model (from 4th, I think) remains one of their best Terminator sculpts ever.  He’s just a character that works better when he is more static.  I also think the metal hammer has more character.  This model isn’t bad, but I like the stolidness of the original.

[MoriyaSchism]

1 hour ago, Evil Eye said:

The Raven Guard guy is...hideous frankly, they took the already pretty dire Primaris Shrike design and made it worse. Absurd tactical rock, too blinged out and just overall dripping with "overdesigned centrepiece model syndrome". Hate it.

What's really strange about the new Raven Guard is that he has elements of Shrike you see on some of the Black Library book covers and the sharp edges of the plate Corax used to wear, but they added Chaos Raptor feet to it and that awful helmet. The feather coat makes me think of the Tzeentchian warband from War Cry or fancy scarves women sometimes wear. 

[Shinespider]

The Iron Hand is kinda dull-looking, tbh, but they met my sole condition (his bio snippet doesn't mention anything about him wanting to reform the chapter) so I'm happy. 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

3 hours ago, mecanojavi99 said:

What do we reckon will happen with Shrike? Go back to being a Captain? Maybe the Chapters Champion? 

 

Self-demoted to "Captain of Stealth Assaults," according to the stream. However literal that turns out I guess we'll soon see.

 

Now maybe he can finally get a proper squad of Phobos Jumpy dudes to keep him company (it makes some people upset when I suggest that Primaris Vanguard Veterans will be wearing Shrike-Pattern Phobos armor when they arrive, so I won't mention anything about Primaris Vanguard Veterans wearing Shrike-Pattern Phobos armor).

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Lord Nord in Gravis Armour

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

Nice miniatures,specially the characters. And more specially the Raven Guard new Chapter Master. This guy rocks!

[Iron Father Ferrum]

54 minutes ago, Shinespider said:

The Iron Hand is kinda dull-looking, tbh, but they met my sole condition (his bio snippet doesn't mention anything about him wanting to reform the chapter) so I'm happy. 

 

Yeah, I was complaining about the unimaginative, static pose on Discord this afternoon but then I realized he's not fighting -- he's commanding. The little blue bit on one of the servoskulls is a tactical projection. The model is analyzing and giving orders, instead of being captured mid-swing like Lysander.

[sitnam]

1 hour ago, MoriyaSchism said:

The feather coat makes me think of the Tzeentchian warband from War Cry or fancy scarves women sometimes wear. 

 Holy crap did I just find my Tzeentchian jump lord?

[DemonGSides]

2 hours ago, Lord Nord in Gravis Armour said:

 

Self-demoted to "Captain of Stealth Assaults," according to the stream. However literal that turns out I guess we'll soon see.

 

Now maybe he can finally get a proper squad of Phobos Jumpy dudes to keep him company (it makes some people upset when I suggest that Primaris Vanguard Veterans will be wearing Shrike-Pattern Phobos armor when they arrive, so I won't mention anything about Primaris Vanguard Veterans wearing Shrike-Pattern Phobos armor).

 

 

I think we've already had one small leak of the supposed Vanguard Veterans and they're just wearing Tacticus, so I think the "Jump pack with Phobos" (Which I agree, doesn't look half bad and could be a cool different type of Jump unit, and would also help add to my Death Company variety) is probably out the window.

With how hefty this new guy looks, I'm hoping they're going to revisit Omnis.  I think it would be pretty cool to have heavy assault infantry alongside the medium (And hey, phobos as light jump assault infantry!).

Edited 19 hours ago by DemonGSides

[ArcusArmis]

2 hours ago, Iron Father Ferrum said:

 

Yeah, I was complaining about the unimaginative, static pose on Discord this afternoon but then I realized he's not fighting -- he's commanding. The little blue bit on one of the servoskulls is a tactical projection. The model is analyzing and giving orders, instead of being captured mid-swing like Lysander.

Oh you are totally right. I was a bit disappointed in the pose but that explanation just sold me. Now i just need Gorgon Terminators in 40k for him to lead and ill be content

Edit: the one thing i just realized is weird on him is his shoulder pads. They look more like Gravis shoulders than Terminator Shoulders cause they have the full trim around them

Edited 19 hours ago by ArcusArmis

[Ironwrought Huw]

 

I really like Vulkan and Lysander. I think that Vulkan's new miniature is an excellent reimagining of the original design. I don't need to start a Salamanders army but this is making me want to.  

 

As for the Iron Hands... The design on the front of his torso is good, I like the back of his bionic leg, and the servo-skulls are a nice touch. I am then left wondering "where's the rest of him?" In comparison to all the other characters this one looks like something that could be kitbashed in an afternoon.  

 

4 hours ago, Iron Father Ferrum said:

 

Yeah, I was complaining about the unimaginative, static pose on Discord this afternoon but then I realized he's not fighting -- he's commanding. The little blue bit on one of the servoskulls is a tactical projection. The model is analyzing and giving orders, instead of being captured mid-swing like Lysander.

 

My first reaction on seeing him was one of disappointment, and the more I look the more I feel that this was a rushed or last minute job. Either "It's Friday, it's 15:58, just call him finished, send him to production and lets go home", or "oh crap, we forgot the Iron Hands - again - quick, throw something together". We have seen GW make far more interesting non-combat poses for astartes.  

 

The size and spacing of the studs on the tetsubo reminds me of Lego 

 

I sense from my fellow Medusans (and other fraters) that I'm in the minority. Fair play to those of you that like the model. I just think that this is a bit of a wasted opportunity. 

[Redcomet]

These are fine and neat. 
 

But they don’t give me the fizz, as James May would say. 
 

40k is just vanilla icecream at this point for me. It is a fine icecream, but doesn’t really excite me.

[Alternis]

Everytime I look at Aethon Shaan, I’m reminded of this 

[irlLordy]

Combat patrols really seem a bump up in power level compared to the original SM combat patrol. I wonder if they'll go back and rebalance. For comparison:

 

Strike Force Octavius

 

Captain in terminator armour

librarian in terminator armour

terminators x 5

infernus marines x 5

 

Imperial Fists Patrol

 

Captain

Company heroes

terminators x 5

heavy intercessors x 5

intercessors x 5

 

Better range of units, an extra unit and better loadouts for the terminators in the Fists CP. 535pts for fists vs 430 for SFO.

 

 

[01RTB01]

11 hours ago, Silas7 said:

The endless reboxing of space marine kits just hit me as very lazy on GW's part. There's so much they could be doing instead yet it seems all we are getting are quick character one-offs. I do find that primaris beakies are much better than the original versions; lazy grav bike and you'd think with all this grav tech being thrown around GW would bring back grav weapons, maybe a better conversion beamer to make a primaris devastator replacement or a Halo esque gravity hammer for some tarpit melee unit that causes units hit by the hammer to -1 to hit and roll battleshock

11th Ed is less than a year away so next summer they'll get a glut.

[01RTB01]

8 minutes ago, irlLordy said:

Combat patrols really seem a bump up in power level compared to the original SM combat patrol. I wonder if they'll go back and rebalance. For comparison:

 

Strike Force Octavius

 

Captain in terminator armour

librarian in terminator armour

terminators x 5

infernus marines x 5

 

Imperial Fists Patrol

 

Captain

Company heroes

terminators x 5

heavy intercessors x 5

intercessors x 5

 

Better range of units, an extra unit and better loadouts for the terminators in the Fists CP. 535pts for fists vs 430 for SFO.

 

 

There seems to be a trend that the most recent CPs have been more interesting. It's a welcome change after so many boring CPs have been released. I've no beakie interest but the new boxes look a lot more fun/ interesting/ varietable.

[Blindhamster]

5 minutes ago, irlLordy said:

Combat patrols really seem a bump up in power level compared to the original SM combat patrol. I wonder if they'll go back and rebalance. For comparison:

 

Strike Force Octavius

 

Captain in terminator armour

librarian in terminator armour

terminators x 5

infernus marines x 5

 

Imperial Fists Patrol

 

Captain

Company heroes

terminators x 5

heavy intercessors x 5

intercessors x 5

 

Better range of units, an extra unit and better loadouts for the terminators in the Fists CP. 535pts for fists vs 430 for SFO.

 

 

 

blood angels one is only 450

salamanders is 500

raven guard 490

iron hands 405

white scars maybe just over 300 depending on the new characters cost.

 

there's nothing particularly balanced about them, no.

[irlLordy]

Actually, in terms of game play for Combat Patrol, that Iron Hands one is incredibly bad. Sure you get 5 units, but 2 of them only move 3" and the heavy intercessors aren't exactly speed racers either. Maybe they'll have some uppy-downy strategems to make them work. 

 

Maybe they just wont bother with any rebalancing until they get to 11th, and Combat Patrol moves to be more its own thing (like AoS Spearhead).

Edited 13 hours ago by irlLordy

[Toxichobbit]

8 hours ago, ArcusArmis said:

Oh you are totally right. I was a bit disappointed in the pose but that explanation just sold me. Now i just need Gorgon Terminators in 40k for him to lead and ill be content

Edit: the one thing i just realized is weird on him is his shoulder pads. They look more like Gravis shoulders than Terminator Shoulders cause they have the full trim around them

 

The shoulder pads are not weird in the slightest. Iron Hand Gorgons had them before gravis even existed. And Iron Hands Tactical Squads had them before Gorgons existed. That shoulder pad design for the Iron Hands dates back 20 years.