Mendi Warrior Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Just posted on WarCom Warhammer: The Horus Heresy - Warhammer Community eng_04-08_warhammer_the_horus_heresy_legacies_of_the_age_of_darkness-kwblao0gdd-aidm8yitdu.pdf BitsHammer and Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) It's a complete U-Turn. All the unit specific weapons options are back. My Word Bearers have recovered their blessed Warpfire Weapons. Legion specific units have wargear options again. DIABLOISTS RETURN. This is absolutely bonkers. I'm so happy. Admittedly all the different mobility options are now inexplicably separate datasheets, but hey. Edited August 4 by Vassakov painting.for.my.sanity 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 God DAYUM, that is a THICCass document. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 So Tartaros Terminators can take lightning claws and one heavy weapon per 5. Siege Tartaros can't take lightning claws but can equip every model with a heavy weapon. I'm wondering what the point is? Who was outfitting their Tartaros terminators illegally so often during the last edition that it warrants a brand new legacy unit? ThaneOfTas, MasterBlaster, de Selby and 2 others 4 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matcap86 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Welp 207 pages. That's a lot of rules. Good on them for putting the work in on this. Hope this soothes some of the angry people enough to give 3.0 a try. The base rules seem pretty fun to me (having played 1.0 skipped 2.0 and now trying to get back in). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Eye Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 All very well and good but it really should have been in the book. Armchair Warlord, painting.for.my.sanity, LightningClawLeonard and 15 others 2 1 14 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Its a massive document, it might as well be another Liber all on its own! There are so many options and units that just werent there to begin with, its such a weird turn of events that I truly think this is a very explicit case of business side trying to tie down the creative side of a project which resulted with cut units and options from the Libers but it seems like they went to other direction with this document and just went to town. I mean, Siege Terminators? Every legion with a Veteran version of Heavy support or Breachers? They knocked it out of the park imo, so kudos to the specialist team. Also Castraferrum are back, Im not sure how my 6 boxy lads are gonna fit in the new army creation rules but Im glad they still live. Interrogator Stobz, MasterBlaster, LemartesTheLost and 2 others 2 1 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Thankful that options are back. Confuses by Rylanor having a WS and BS of 4 yet vet breachers have a WS of 5. Some oddities, however, options and sensibility are back thank goodness. MasterBlaster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matcap86 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 3 minutes ago, redmapa said: Its a massive document, it might as well be another Liber all on its own! There are so many options and units that just werent there to begin with, its such a weird turn of events that I truly think this is a very explicit case of business side trying to tie down the creative side of a project which resulted with cut units and options from the Libers but it seems like they went to other direction with this document and just went to town. I mean, Siege Terminators? Every legion with a Veteran version of Heavy support or Breachers? They knocked it out of the park imo, so kudos to the specialist team. Also Castraferrum are back, Im not sure how my 6 boxy lads are gonna fit in the new army creation rules but Im glad they still live. If this is what happened, I think we might be looking at a lot of work from the designers in their spare/own time. Where the higher ups went: "There's no money/time for this in the project planning so if you want to put all this in, you're on your own." BitsHammer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukkiz Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 this reminds me of that MTG meme where you mark cards with sharpie Aarik, LightningClawLeonard, Xirix and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Much like the 2.0 Legacies document, the fact that this adds new units is great. And the return of so much that was initially excluded from the Libers is a welcome course correction. I hope that whoever makes the decisions in this area at GW has made notes for the future around how they communicate major changes, and perhaps even that the Age of Darkness setting is not the place to go all in on 'if we don't sell it, you can't play it'. Stranger things have happened... MasterBlaster and LemartesTheLost 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper.McGuirl Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 12 minutes ago, Matcap86 said: If this is what happened, I think we might be looking at a lot of work from the designers in their spare/own time. Where the higher ups went: "There's no money/time for this in the project planning so if you want to put all this in, you're on your own." I would not be surprised at all, considering this was the standard for a very long time. Just by way of scattershot examples: The guy who initially designed all of the Solar Auxilia did it on his own, Andy Hoare mentioned that Fires of Cyraxus never came out because he wrote it in his spare time and didnt want to rewrite it once 8th came out, and even 40k itself was originally written off-hours when all those guys were sharing an apartment. Matcap86, MasterBlaster and BitsHammer 1 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Knight Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Can someone who has actually played the new edition and understands the new weapon profiles better than I do, advise me if the Fulmentarus Terminators are decent or just a waste of points? I have 10 with Power Fists lol. If they are ok, I'll probably pick up the new rules and actually try to arrange a game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearson73 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Great to see so much stuff coming back, though I really did do a double take looking at the page count. Bit bonkers that Gorgon armour is a 30pt upgrade for Terminator characters and that artillery cannon are now only strength five? Not complaining too much, I'm happy to have my volkites back for my Immortals. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 The only glaring omission seems to be inductii. Any indication what will happen there? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khulu Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said: The only glaring omission seems to be inductii. Any indication what will happen there? Per the roadmap, coming in September as another free pdf. 01RTB01 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl of Wulfen Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) I noticed speaker of the dead for SW doesn't have bitter duty so it can't join the deathsworn. Edited August 4 by Jarl of Wulfen Sniped Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezron Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 17 minutes ago, Pearson73 said: that artillery cannon are now only strength five It has Ordnance (RS) rule, which means that if the Legion Basilisk hasn't moved the RS stats get doubled. Pearson73 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvak Kyre Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Isn’t it crazy how many things they’ve removed over the years, that they can release a 200 page document and there are still options missing. ThaneOfTas, 01RTB01, caladancid and 6 others 2 1 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogger351 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Great they did this, its still a huge unnecessary bloat to have 2 massive rules sources for army construction, one free, one not. One printed, one not. Then for both to be fully supported and game legal is just messy conceptually. Interrogator Stobz and Sky Potato 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 I'm still reading it, but at first glance I'm quite happy with it. Still don't understand why Destroyers aren't in the Libers but Mortificator now is a really appealing unit and with the Veteran Breachers squad I can have now a Rukaal squad for Zone Mortalis in my SoH army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irate Khornate Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Have they fixed a lot of issues with this document? Yes. Should they have fixed more since they delayed it? Yes. What else should they have fixed you may ask? Loadouts on HQ units for one. Am I happy? A bit. They righted a lot of wrongs here, but there is a lot more they need to do. I also have a feeling once people do a deep dive on stuff it might still wind up being a monkeys paw. Is it enough to make me try 3.0? Nah. I'm stealing the new stuff and changing it to work with 2.0 caladancid, ThaneOfTas, LightningClawLeonard and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) It’s great they’ve released it but also kind of depressing to see in black and white how much they culled from the game in the first place. I mean, nearly 40 pages of stuff just from the HQ section and they still didn’t give them back all of their wargear choices. At least a large chunk of my armies actually have rules now which is good I suppose but I’m with MasterBlaster in this regard, they shouldn’t be praised for doing this, this is the bare minimum we should expect. Edited August 4 by MARK0SIAN LemartesTheLost, Aarik and MasterBlaster 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Its not culled though, its all useable stuff isn't it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roryokane Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 The thing that leapt out at me more than anything else was that the blurb for Tartaros siege terminators clearly indicates they were going to only give Tartaros terminators power weapons: “While the majority of Tartaros Terminator units favoured lighter melee weapons, augmenting that more mobile pattern of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, others were equipped to engage heavier targets such as enemy vehicles and heavy walkers. Such units often utilised power fists and chainfists as well as thunder hammers to combat these heavily armoured and more resilient foes. In other situations these weapons were invaluable in Zone Mortalis environments, making a mockery of even the thickest bulkhead, allowing these Legionaries to continue their advance unhindered.“ Other things I’ve noted so far: Javelins still missing pintle options (extra sad for IF/BA especially as you could probably swap the pintle HF for an iliastus) despite the widespread availability of pintle mounted weapons on the tank sprues (suspect a plastic kit might put them back in though). Attack bikes don’t have heavy flamer or autocannons any more (sad) - should have pushed for IF/BA to allow them to replace their HFs with ACs. Scouts don’t get autocannons (3rd edition space marine codex let them take them and I always thought that was absurd but cool) - I always hoped that would sneak back in. ;) IFs can’t take twin AC preds. Sadly no volkites for Castraferrum dreads. Aarik 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/#findComment-6126060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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