Horus Heresy: Legacies of the Age of Darkness

[Urauloth]

I like that you can give them all heavy disintegrators. Terrible idea, but very entertaining. I like the idea of mixed special weapons, at least aesthetically.

Plasma repeaters are not very good, huh. I still want to figure out a way to prepresent a couple for thematic reasons though.

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

The first pic is Legacies 2.0 and the second pic is for Legacies 3.0. First one is just for Legiones Astartes, and the second includes Solar Auxilia and Mechanicum. 

In the 3.0 Legiones Astartes lose lot of tanks, specially super heavies and most of the characters from Istvaan III and other legion specific units and characters not directly related with(Not counting Marr,of course).

No Nullificators at all,unit and consul. 

 

And lot "duplicates", or better said, lot of wasted space in units that can be perfectly managed as one entry .

In fact, if we make a comparison with the list showed by Warhammer Community weeks ago, there are some notable absences.

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf
Better pics

[Morovir]

1 hour ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

Mounted Praetor:

 

I love that the Praetor becomes more intelligent when he rides a jetbike instead of a motorcycle. The Legacies debacle is the gift which keeps giving us endless conversation material.

Clearly he needs more technical know-how to deal with a jetbike breaking down rather than just a motorcycle.

Edited 6 hours ago by Morovir

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

14 minutes ago, Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf said:

The first pic is Legacies 2.0 and the second pic is for Legacies 3.0. First one is just for Legiones Astartes, and the second includes Solar Auxilia and Mechanicum. 

In the 3.0 Legiones Astartes lose lot of tanks, specially super heavies and most of the characters from Istvaan III and other legion specific units and characters not directly related with(Not counting Marr,of course).

No Nullificators at all,unit and consul. 

 

And lot "duplicates", or better said, lot of wasted space in units that can be perfectly managed as one entry .

In fact, if we make a comparison with the list showed by Warhammer Community weeks ago, there are some notable absences.

 

 

Let's see if those are better 

[SkimaskMohawk]

I'm glad most stuff made it back in. It was always irksome to have long standing units removed for no reason.

 

Im less glad to see a lot of the exemplary battle units are just...3rdified versions of the terrible 2nd incarnations. Fulmentaris got their nerf reapplied and the missiles are basically plasma guns? The tartaros siege can have a very similar output (albeit at shorter range) for 200?

 

Also it's funny seeing the stats for a Medusa and basilisk now and comparing it to goonhammers coverage of them. Pinning (1) drastically improves their lethality! Drop str 10 pie plates as a reaction on tactical squads, it's terrifyingly good! Str 5 isn't good, but a str 10 large blast is terrifying and powerful. Am I missing what barrage does, or is not killing a rhino and only killing an average of 50% power armour hits really bad in terms of lethality. Like I'm sure removing scoring through pinning is useful, they're just very far from being lethal.

[Spagunk]

BA highlights:

• Assault cannons all day (tears, hvy weapons and sponsons/pintle).
• We got back our anime swords (dawnbreakers) but they're just +1attack power swords.
• Power fist back on for Crimson pallies.
• Ofanim and Sang Guard are back: Court has a better sword and rules while Sanguard got to keep the two Paragon blades per 10.

Overall it's a plus in general. Kinda sad that inferno pistol moritat is still dead. Also dawnbreaker swords being just a +1 attack is an interesting choice but a big downgrade from 2.0; much like a lot of things. Nice to know my rotor cannon angel tears aren't shelved. I wasn't really expecting them to keep assault cannon heavy weapon squads so that's a nice bonus.

I give it a "it's fine".
 

[Corswain]

Is anyone able to tell me if chainglaives are chainblades in this edition? I have 10 Night Raptors with chainglaives who want to know and I haven't bought the Libers at this point.

 

Also, completely agree that the wargear options should have been in the main book. Personally, I feel like the Legacies should only be for those units that have never had official models. I could understand that.

[Marshal Rohr]

Veteran Breachers let you make some flavorful units from the novels, like the Stormwing Assault Squads, Triarii, and Evocatus squads. Some of the returned units are ok and some are really good. Imperial Fists still didn’t get their Terminator Assault Cannons, which looks more like another GW :cuss up since it’s written like the Assault Cannon is an option in the Liber like in the BA section. While some things like all autocannon Tartaros are rad this document gives me a really bad feeling. We know they added stuff in, and I don’t think they added stuff in out of the kindness of their hearts. I think this was a middle finger of “fine have your stuff back” and they will take it out on us later. 

[Waaagh?]

3 hours ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

Mounted Praetor:

 

I love that the Praetor becomes more intelligent when he rides a jetbike instead of a motorcycle. The Legacies debacle is the gift which keeps giving us endless conversation material.

 

Nah, makes total sense. You'd have to be a pretty dumb Praetor to choose a normal bike over a Jetbike.

[infyrana]

Whilst I'm pleased to see Destroyers and the Caestus, as well as the Vet Breachers as a main option... there's no backtracking or raving from me here.

 

Death Guard lost both characters from 1.0/2.0.  I would like to see them brought back and put into models, such a shame as they did Crysos better in 2.0 too.

[Astartes Consul]

1 hour ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Veteran Breachers let you make some flavorful units from the novels, like the Stormwing Assault Squads, Triarii, and Evocatus squads. Some of the returned units are ok and some are really good. Imperial Fists still didn’t get their Terminator Assault Cannons, which looks more like another GW :cuss up since it’s written like the Assault Cannon is an option in the Liber like in the BA section. While some things like all autocannon Tartaros are rad this document gives me a really bad feeling. We know they added stuff in, and I don’t think they added stuff in out of the kindness of their hearts. I think this was a middle finger of “fine have your stuff back” and they will take it out on us later. 

 

Guess it depends on who / what you believe about GW's response to this whole mess. Whoever made the final call on stripping so much out of the Libers is probably pretty grumpy about so many choices ending up back in the game, yes. But, I imagine that the Designers - who may or may not have been overruled when it came to what was included in the Libers - are quite happy to have added things back in. Well, as happy as anyone can be when they've had to do a load of extra work on a tight deadline after an avoidable corporate mess!

 

But yes, none of this was done out of the kindness of James Workshop's heart.

 

And at the same time, there is clearly stuff in this document that adds an interesting extra dimension to list building. Veteran Heavy Support, Indomitus Terminators, the continued presence of a lot of *old* Forge World tanks in the Solar section. I imagine these bits were always going to be included, as they fit with the vibe of the 2.0 Legacies/Exemplary Battles. If you wanted to be positive, you could say that this bodes well for the Journals. 

[Nephaston]

Glad I got my warpfire weapons back, don't know if I like the change from pinning to shred... but thinking about it I could spend ungodly amounts of points to make a Veteran Support Squad go hunt other veteran squads. A grotesque waste of points considering other weapons do it better. But goddamn if it doesn't tickle me.

 

Now to wait for Journal Tactica: Word Bearers. Can't wait to have a fully formed opinion on 3rd once 4th hits us in 3 years.

Edited 2 hours ago by Nephaston

[SvenIronhand]

I do have one question. Why is the Infernus Abomination, a model GW currently sells, a Legacy unit? Maybe it's just because it didn't fit in any of the other libers.

[Dagoth Ur]

3 hours ago, Corswain said:

Is anyone able to tell me if chainglaives are chainblades in this edition? I have 10 Night Raptors with chainglaives who want to know and I haven't bought the Libers at this point.

 

Also, completely agree that the wargear options should have been in the main book. Personally, I feel like the Legacies should only be for those units that have never had official models. I could understand that.

Fellow Nostraman brother, I too am short of sight which explains why I needed a moment to find the profile for Chainblades. P. 171 of the Liber Hereticus in the Contekar Terminator profile.

[Scribe]

5 minutes ago, SvenIronhand said:

I do have one question. Why is the Infernus Abomination, a model GW currently sells, a Legacy unit? Maybe it's just because it didn't fit in any of the other libers.

 

Is Legacy = Legends, forced rotation of tournaments legal units?

[SvenIronhand]

Just now, Scribe said:

 

Is Legacy = Legends, forced rotation of tournaments legal units?

No, but it’s odd.

[Nephaston]

6 minutes ago, SvenIronhand said:

I do have one question. Why is the Infernus Abomination, a model GW currently sells, a Legacy unit? Maybe it's just because it didn't fit in any of the other libers.

They either forgot about it for a bit, or it is meant to be included for whatever they are cooking up for daemons and it's gonna be a long bit before they have anything ready in that regard. 

[SkimaskMohawk]

31 minutes ago, SvenIronhand said:

I do have one question. Why is the Infernus Abomination, a model GW currently sells, a Legacy unit? Maybe it's just because it didn't fit in any of the other libers.

 

Stuff that had models went into legacy in 2nd too. It wasn't very consistent and speaks to them not really having a firm plan.