Horus Heresy: Legacies of the Age of Darkness

[01RTB01]

I picked up the Isstvan journal. I won't be picking up any others. Massive waste of cash. One mission that they put on the website, a ton of recycled fluff. Garbage.

[BitsHammer]

1 hour ago, 01RTB01 said:

I picked up the Isstvan journal. I won't be picking up any others. Massive waste of cash. One mission that they put on the website, a ton of recycled fluff. Garbage.

The Saturn journal should be all new fluff, plus unit options we didn't get on the libers, presumably because no one had built or playtested the idea of Saturnine command squads back when they were working on the libers.

[Matcap86]

2 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

I picked up the Isstvan journal. I won't be picking up any others. Massive waste of cash. One mission that they put on the website, a ton of recycled fluff. Garbage.

 

Yeah I usually try to see things in a positive light but that journal just sucks. Pale comparison to lore from the black books and day 1 dlc written all over it.

[Redcomet]

2 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

I picked up the Isstvan journal. I won't be picking up any others. Massive waste of cash. One mission that they put on the website, a ton of recycled fluff. Garbage.

Come on now. Isstvan has been flogged to death for years and years now. of course the lore would be recycled 

[Matcap86]

55 minutes ago, Redcomet said:

Come on now. Isstvan has been flogged to death for years and years now. of course the lore would be recycled 

 

Is it? We have the original black books and some parts in the bl novels but that's about it iirc. One of the main complaints I occasionally read on it, is that for such a monumental event it only really prominently features in Fulgrim. 

 

Most lore on Isstvann is a decade plus old before Saturnine I think.

Edited Friday at 08:13 AM by Matcap86

[TheTrans]

56 minutes ago, Redcomet said:

Come on now. Isstvan has been flogged to death for years and years now. of course the lore would be recycled 

Mate, how does that make it OK to charge for it then? 

[Robbienw]

10 minutes ago, TheTrans said:

Mate, how does that make it OK to charge for it then? 

 

Because you aren't forced to buy it?

 

 

[Urauloth]

I came to ask what the lore and art content of the Istvaan journal is like. Sounds like people aren't impressed by it.

I really like the idea of the Interdiction Cadre, and I'm probably going to want to kitbash a Master of Descent  and maybe an Augur squad at some point, so I guess I should get it, but... hmm.

[Redcomet]

18 minutes ago, TheTrans said:

Mate, how does that make it OK to charge for it then? 

Because there are new players who know nothing.

 

As a veteran consumer you have to be ok with not everything being for you. Just don’t buy everything like a bot

[Joe]

I personally thought the first Journal Tactica was alright-ish; some of the fluff is new, other bits are recycled (albeit, re-written). Some of the new art plates are genuinely very nice, though - particularly the Sons of Horus Mark IV one. For £16.50 it's roughly what I expected it to be; a very, very trimmed down version of the old Black Books that isn't going to break your back to carry around. There may be a whiff of nostalgia for the old softback codices floating in here.

 

It's not a great start admittedly, however it has promise. By and by the large, TOW seems to have done better with the journal approach (admittedly, faction journals so far as the campaign journals have only just been revealed), and MESBG has only just announced their first one which seems to have hobby focus in the mix.

 

Journal Tactica: The Forges of Saturn may prove a better judgement of how they'll fare - although I doubt anyone disagrees that the Saturnine Centurion and Command Squad should have been in the core Liber's.

 

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The book is brimming with the lore behind some as-yet unexplored events in the Horus Heresy: the Saturnine Renewal, the War of Bitter Iron between the Word Bearers and Iron Hands, and the Kolarne-Distal incident in which the White Scars and Thousand Sons turned on each other.

 

If anything, some of the fluff sounds interesting.

[Deakz28]

1 hour ago, Joe said:

I personally thought the first Journal Tactica was alright-ish; some of the fluff is new, other bits are recycled (albeit, re-written). Some of the new art plates are genuinely very nice, though - particularly the Sons of Horus Mark IV one. For £16.50 it's roughly what I expected it to be; a very, very trimmed down version of the old Black Books that isn't going to break your back to carry around. There may be a whiff of nostalgia for the old softback codices floating in here.

 

It's not a great start admittedly, however it has promise. By and by the large, TOW seems to have done better with the journal approach (admittedly, faction journals so far as the campaign journals have only just been revealed), and MESBG has only just announced their first one which seems to have hobby focus in the mix.

 

Journal Tactica: The Forges of Saturn may prove a better judgement of how they'll fare - although I doubt anyone disagrees that the Saturnine Centurion and Command Squad should have been in the core Liber's.

 

 

If anything, some of the fluff sounds interesting.

I do find this new lore about white scars vs Tsons very odd, they were extremely close friends, they had disagreements on the use of the warp but they were extremely close, so I feel this one is just made for the sake of it and doesn’t actually have any real place in the lore?

[Astartes Consul]

15 minutes ago, Deakz28 said:

I do find this new lore about white scars vs Tsons very odd, they were extremely close friends, they had disagreements on the use of the warp but they were extremely close, so I feel this one is just made for the sake of it and doesn’t actually have any real place in the lore?

 

Well, they did end up fighting on opposite sides! Whatever the new lore is, it will deal with the fact that they were close as Legions. IIRC, in Path of Heaven, Jaghati Khan and Mortarion's first confrontation is in the ruins of Propsero because the Scars have gone there to try and work out if the Thousand Sons have actually turned traitor / what happened.

[irlLordy]

Where is the lore recycled from? If you only have HH 2.0 books, would it worth picking up the journal?

[Marshal Rohr]

I enjoyed the journal and the prime benefit, battlefield assets, and augury squad/super whirlwind aren’t bad. 

[Xenith]

On 8/4/2025 at 1:06 PM, Orange Knight said:

Can someone who has actually played the new edition and understands the new weapon profiles better than I do, advise me if the Fulmentarus Terminators are decent or just a waste of points?

I have 10 with Power Fists lol.

 

If they are ok, I'll probably pick up the new rules and actually try to arrange a game.

 

Weaker than their initial appearance in 2.0, stronger than the nerfed version, they're basically a term with a plasma gun and bonus other firing mode. 

[LSM]

1 hour ago, Astartes Consul said:

 

Well, they did end up fighting on opposite sides! Whatever the new lore is, it will deal with the fact that they were close as Legions. IIRC, in Path of Heaven, Jaghati Khan and Mortarion's first confrontation is in the ruins of Propsero because the Scars have gone there to try and work out if the Thousand Sons have actually turned traitor / what happened.

 

(Slight correction: it was Chris Wraight's Scars, of which The Path of Heaven is the sequel to. But yes, the White Scars get conflicting reports - Leman Russ informs the Khan of the treason and demands aid, while Horus sends word that the Space Wolves have gone rogue and massacred the Thousand Sons - so the 'Scars travel to Prospero to try to figure out what's going on, while their high command is rife with Horus partisans.)

 

I agree that the idea of a new, large WS vs TS conflict added to the lore is an exciting potential due to the former bit of comradery they had. 

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

I am still waiting for our favourite Space Marine:

 

Cameron Diaz!

 

Is she in the Legacies? If not why not? Gee-Dubbs could have put this ad with their HH 3.0 release and the Saturnine boxes would have flown off the shelves:

 

Cameron Diaz lounges on a sofa with her yellow jeans and the ad says:

 

"Cameron Diaz has great gene-seed!"

[Matcap86]

2 hours ago, Deakz28 said:

I do find this new lore about white scars vs Tsons very odd, they were extremely close friends, they had disagreements on the use of the warp but they were extremely close, so I feel this one is just made for the sake of it and doesn’t actually have any real place in the lore?

 

I mean, it's not too dissimilar to Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus or Sanguinius and Horus who were all real good buddies before the whole kerfuffle. 

[Deakz28]

12 minutes ago, Matcap86 said:

 

I mean, it's not too dissimilar to Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus or Sanguinius and Horus who were all real good buddies before the whole kerfuffle. 

Problem is the way it’s worded is that they turned on each other, so being before the heresy began, so it just seems to me like something they’ve thrown in without thinking of who the forces are that are fighting one another, like I’m all for pre heresy conflicts, but scars v tsons just doesn’t seem likely ahah and feels like it undermines the point as to why Khan is so desperate to find Magnus during the Scars novel, plus the whole on the same side at Nikea it just feels like they want me to buy it because I’m a scars player

i promise I’m not trying to come off as ‘that guy’ ahaha

Edited Friday at 01:16 PM by Deakz28

[Mr Farson]

8 hours ago, Redcomet said:

Come on now. Isstvan has been flogged to death for years and years now. of course the lore would be recycled 

 

Probably shouldn't have launched with it then should they lol

 

Isstvan and beta Garmon have been written to death the choice to start with that was ridonc.

 

2e choice of cthonia was a genuinely inspired decision 

[Redcomet]

9 minutes ago, Mr Farson said:

 

Probably shouldn't have launched with it then should they lol

 

Isstvan and beta Garmon have been written to death the choice to start with that was ridonc.

 

2e choice of cthonia was a genuinely inspired decision 

They also have to write for new players. You just have to be ok with everything not being for the veteran player

[LSM]

2 hours ago, Deakz28 said:

Problem is the way it’s worded is that they turned on each other, so being before the heresy began...

 

I don't know that the phrasing inherently suggest this was before the Heresy.

 

Maybe it was the case of an allied Crusade force getting first word of the Heresy and finding out that they were now on opposite sides, "turning on each other".

[Deakz28]

9 minutes ago, LSM said:

 

I don't know that the phrasing inherently suggest this was before the Heresy.

 

Maybe it was the case of an allied Crusade force getting first word of the Heresy and finding out that they were now on opposite sides, "turning on each other".

I mean it’s possible of course, but I feel like it’s unlikely, but if that were to be the case I’d be happy ah

although it would sadly cause more lore issues going that route anyhow aha, but maybe they can write there way out of that with some artful choices

Edited Friday at 04:07 PM by Deakz28

[Khulu]

As someone with White Scars and Thousand Sons this makes the journals much more exciting than I expected them to be!

[skylerboodie]

11 hours ago, Robbienw said:

 

Because you aren't forced to buy it?

 

 

But they're not advertising it as recycled material or intended for new players, so how exactly are people expected to know pre purchase as you don't get to read it before buying. Shouldn't have to rely on warnings from others in the community who got ripped off that it's old material rewritten.

 

It's advertised as new not rehashed, so to say "you aren't forced to buy it" as though that means GW haven't put out a poor product for established players and if anyone is disappointed having forked out £16.50 for it then it's their own problem is some serious simping for GW.