Captain Idaho Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 (edited) I'm happy such a document was created. Impressed with the effort, even if it might have been reactionary. Now, if the Legion specific rules can just be revamped, perhaps as a legacy format, we'd be golden and I'd get back into 3.0. 11 hours ago, OttoVonAwesome said: On the topic of Ultramarines is it just me or should the Locutarus have Vanguard? The Praetorian Breachers don't have line or vanguard either no Ultramarines special unit does. It's like they really want the backbone of Ultra armies to be Vanilla units... Wich is fine I geuss since we got so many bangers with the new veteran types and the siege terminators god I love them. I suspect so yes - standard units for holding ground and scoring points, then additional stuff for flavour. Edited August 5 by Captain Idaho MasterBlaster, W.A.Rorie and Urauloth 1 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.A.Rorie Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 The Legion Specific rules do need an update and even some legion detachments as well. Captain Idaho 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightSilver Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 I have just spotted that the Hammerfall Bunker is included - was it always the case this could be used in Heresy? I hadn't spotted it before (but that might just be me). sarabando 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 (edited) 12 hours ago, OttoVonAwesome said: The Ophanim court are fantastic but I think the Sanguinary guard gained access to combat shields no? Still very close to a command squad. ... My notes weren't intended to be exhaustive. Yes, they have access to combat shields but lose out on any special pistols as a consequence. Depending on how you use Sanguinary, that may be a problem. Edited August 5 by Spagunk Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephaston Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 44 minutes ago, StraightSilverMK2 said: I have just spotted that the Hammerfall Bunker is included - was it always the case this could be used in Heresy? I hadn't spotted it before (but that might just be me). It was included in Legacies in 2.0 though it remains a weird addition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Legionnare Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Nephaston said: It was included in Legacies in 2.0 though it remains a weird addition. 1000% Always felt like a desperate "Oh god, these didn't sell AT ALL!!!... Please, PLEASE Slap them into another game system for potential stock clearing! BUY THEM PLEASE OH GOD WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!" Edited August 5 by Dark Legionnare ThaneOfTas, lokkorex, skylerboodie and 3 others 5 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Ex_Machina Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 20 hours ago, Waaagh? said: Nah, makes total sense. You'd have to be a pretty dumb Praetor to choose a normal bike over a Jetbike. So you are saying between the lines that it is not a smart move for our junior officer riding his off-road BMX without a helmet? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 (edited) Something I find worth pointing out for anyone else working on Death Guard: no you can't give the alchem casters (aka poisoned hand flamers) to moritats or destroyers as they don't have access to the pistol list. That's something I keep seeing brought up so I figured I'd mention it here. Edited August 5 by BitsHammer MasterBlaster and 1ncarnadine 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Mortus Poisoners not having Vanguard strikes me as a bit odd - something to pop to the FAQ email at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 3 minutes ago, Joe said: Mortus Poisoners not having Vanguard strikes me as a bit odd - something to pop to the FAQ email at least. Right up there with jetbikes not having Vanguard in my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roryokane Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 (edited) 17 hours ago, 01RTB01 said: Which is nuts. It's not a legacy unit, it's new. Nobody had tartaros whereby everyone had a heavy weapon. Read the siege squad blurb. They were clearly going to (and may yet) give Tartaros terminators only power weapons and maybe lightning claws, but due to the reaction and the fact there are power fists in the box, errata’d them back in. But then they’d made up the siege squad, so decided to double down on the heavy thing by giving them more dakka. I personally think we should compile a list of missing units and mistakes and send it to games workshop. Stuff like moritats and their pistols, IFs missing their assault cannons, Javelins missing pintle weapons… Edited August 6 by roryokane Urauloth, Aarik, MasterBlaster and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 1 hour ago, roryokane said: Read the siege squad blurb. They were clearly going to (and may yet) give Tartaros terminators only power weapons and maybe lightning claws, but due to the reaction and the fact there are power fists in the box, errata’d them back in. But then they’d made up the siege squad, so decided to double down on the heavy thing by giving them more dakka. I personally think we should compile a list of missing units and mistakes and send it to games workshop. Stuff like moritats and their pistols, IFs missing their assault cannons, Javelins missing pintle weapons… I had read it. I understand the implications and what it suggests. However, the point of legacy document is to give us access to units we had, that aren't in the libers. At no point previously have we had tartaros with full heavy weapon options for all. It just seems odd. I've no doubt we'll see an updated tartaros kit with just power weapons though and no fists/ claws or chainfists. roryokane, derLumpi, Urauloth and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabando Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 built a unit of vet breachers last night with power mauls because i had the parts :D The document is a mess but theres some gems in there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 This document managed to smooth over a lot of negativity I've felt since the leaks and release of 3.0. It's far, FAR from perfect, but it's something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roryokane Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 7 hours ago, 01RTB01 said: I had read it. I understand the implications and what it suggests. However, the point of legacy document is to give us access to units we had, that aren't in the libers. At no point previously have we had tartaros with full heavy weapon options for all. It just seems odd. I've no doubt we'll see an updated tartaros kit with just power weapons though and no fists/ claws or chainfists. That is why I think the heavy weapons thing was a last minute fudge - to justify the creation of the unit after they errata’d the heavier terminator melee weapons back into the standard Tartaros squads. painting.for.my.sanity, Aarik, Deus_Ex_Machina and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 2 hours ago, roryokane said: That is why I think the heavy weapons thing was a last minute fudge - to justify the creation of the unit after they errata’d the heavier terminator melee weapons back into the standard Tartaros squads. Same but I think having Fists back is just a reprieve. When the updated kit is released is when we know if the change is permanent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 There will probably be variants like this released in Journals as each new terminator type comes out. Saturnine first, so everyone spends the money, then Cataphractii (what the people actually want), then Tartaros. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 10 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said: There will probably be variants like this released in Journals as each new terminator type comes out. Saturnine first, so everyone spends the money, then Cataphractii (what the people actually want), then Tartaros. Speak for yourself, I love tartaros :p Matcap86, skylerboodie, Cactus and 3 others 1 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 5 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said: Speak for yourself, I love tartaros :p Same. And I hope that if they do take away fists etc with a new kit that they release a weapons kit sprue down the line with them. It wouldn't be the end of the world not being able to take fists and such but I would miss the option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 17 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said: Speak for yourself, I love tartaros :p There are dozens of us! Dozens!! Hfran Morkai, Astartes Consul, Casual Heresy and 5 others 4 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Tartaros becomes a much more interesting pattern when you pronounce it like you were born in Liverpool. Taaaahtaross. ZeroWolf, The Yak, Astartes Consul and 1 other 1 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoVonAwesome Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 At 30 points base Tartaros terminators are probably the most efficient choice in their category. I keep finding myself comparing them to stuff like reavers with power weapons and thinking well this is just crap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roryokane Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Seriously, though, chaps. Why don't we crowd source the things that are still missing, and present them en-bloc to GW? If multiple people point out what's missing, we'll find them faster, and then we can all send the same list to the FAQ email. MasterBlaster and Redcomet 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jings Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 So am I correct in my assessment that, at least as far as the Liber Consuls go, they've not had any of their old options returned or did I miss something in the Legacies doc? Irate Khornate 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Ex_Machina Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 2 hours ago, Joe said: Tartaros becomes a much more interesting pattern when you pronounce it like you were born in Liverpool. Taaaahtaross. Wrong. It´s pronounced this way: ThaneOfTas, crimsondave, roryokane and 2 others 4 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386419-horus-heresy-legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness/page/4/#findComment-6126629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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