Kill Team Dead Silence. Tau vs Space Wolves

[Marshal Reinhard]

Nice wolf scout kit.

 

Makes me wish for a sword brethren kit in a similiar vein.. though infiltrating sword brethren haven't really been a thing except for a brief stint in 4th edition... (and I guess 5th.. since there was no templar update at all in 5th)

[Blindhamster]

didnt you only fairly recently get a new sword brethren kit?

[Marshal Reinhard]

19 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

didnt you only fairly recently get a new sword brethren kit?

Well yes, but this entirely hypothetical wish listing of mine would be Kill Team like this, presumably in phobos armor. 

 

I'm not at all looking for a replacement of the main sword brethren squad kit.

 

It's not happening either way.

[Jukkiz]

they sure love those damn rocks at GW

Designers propably stealing them from indoor plant pots by now

[Magos Takatus]

2 hours ago, DarkChaplain said:

I just love that these are XV26 Stealth Suits, while the old kit are XV25 - and were an upgrade to the ancient XV15, which was a completely different design. This here seems like a logical evolution of the XV25, so the smaller step in series numbering makes sense, too.

I think the way that T'au designate their battlesuits is that the first number is the weight class, so it's not just that the leap from XV-15 to XV-25 was bigger than XV-25 to XV-26, but one advanced into a heavier suit category. Presumably the 26's do improve a lot on the 25's but it's not quite as dramatically because they are both the same weight class, I don't know the whole categorization system but I remember reading a bit about it and it was quite interesting.

[chapter master 454]

Reminder: the tau don't designate their suits with numbers. That is the Imperium that does that, XV stands for Xenos Vehicle and the numbers relate to the imperiums sighting and classification of these suits. Tau call them different things, notably I believe crisis suits are called something like "mantle of heroes" or something in their language.

So Crisis suit and such is just what the Imperium short hands them as. However this has likely fallen on the wayside by GW who likely also forgot what XV meant...surprised we don't have an VWXYZ-Tsunami Warsuit by now. The ABC-Undertow Stealth Striker.

 

However these new stealth suits do have an odd side effect: anyone notice stealth suits just up and vanished from the GW store?

Please GW...don't kill tau by getting rid of the only good marker unit we have...let us keep the current style of squad and just add these as a unique variant of the squad.

[Magos Takatus]

24 minutes ago, chapter master 454 said:

Reminder: the tau don't designate their suits with numbers. That is the Imperium that does that, XV stands for Xenos Vehicle and the numbers relate to the imperiums sighting and classification of these suits. Tau call them different things, notably I believe crisis suits are called something like "mantle of heroes" or something in their language.

So Crisis suit and such is just what the Imperium short hands them as. However this has likely fallen on the wayside by GW who likely also forgot what XV meant...surprised we don't have an VWXYZ-Tsunami Warsuit by now. The ABC-Undertow Stealth Striker.

 

However these new stealth suits do have an odd side effect: anyone notice stealth suits just up and vanished from the GW store?

Please GW...don't kill tau by getting rid of the only good marker unit we have...let us keep the current style of squad and just add these as a unique variant of the squad.

Wow, this is really interesting. Can you remember where this came from? I've got some of the older codices, it sounds like I need a lore refresher course. 

[Crimson Longinus]

57 minutes ago, chapter master 454 said:

Reminder: the tau don't designate their suits with numbers. That is the Imperium that does that, XV stands for Xenos Vehicle and the numbers relate to the imperiums sighting and classification of these suits. 

 

This seems rather questionable as Tau stuff is the only things with such designations. Why are Eldar and Ork vehicles not XV-# too if this is how it works?

[Orion]

New Stealth Suits look great!

I was kinda hoping for a XV15/XV25 armour mixed unit, but these look cool enough that I don't think it matters.

Glad they don't look overdone. Just a really good improvement on what came before.

 

10 hours ago, mecanojavi99 said:

That's genuinely cool, new Stealth Suits wasn't in my bingo card, the previous ones were just fine IMO but it's noce that now they look like mini Ghostkeels.

Not including tanks or sniper drones the stealth suit kit is the oldest Tau have.
They were due for an update.

[darkhorse0607]

41 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said:

 

This seems rather questionable as Tau stuff is the only things with such designations. Why are Eldar and Ork vehicles not XV-# too if this is how it works?

It's also worth noting that Tau characters in their own POVs in their own novels(ie Elemental Council most recently), refer to the battlesuits by to their XV designations. 

 

In the same book they also christen an experimental suit one of the characters made with an XV number

Edited 8 hours ago by darkhorse0607

[sitnam]

1 hour ago, chapter master 454 said:

Reminder: the tau don't designate their suits with numbers. That is the Imperium that does that, XV stands for Xenos Vehicle and the numbers relate to the imperiums sighting and classification of these suits.

 

I don't think this is true at all. Scanning through Lexicanum it seems that these are T'au designations, and the 6th edition codex I scanned through backs this up. It even references older fossil fueled "T-series" and the fission powered "V-series",  the former of which was introduced in M39, well before forst contact with the Imperium

[Indy Techwisp]

2 hours ago, chapter master 454 said:

Reminder: the tau don't designate their suits with numbers. That is the Imperium that does that, XV stands for Xenos Vehicle and the numbers relate to the imperiums sighting and classification of these suits. Tau call them different things, notably I believe crisis suits are called something like "mantle of heroes" or something in their language.

So Crisis suit and such is just what the Imperium short hands them as. However this has likely fallen on the wayside by GW who likely also forgot what XV meant...surprised we don't have an VWXYZ-Tsunami Warsuit by now. The ABC-Undertow Stealth Striker.

 

This isn't true.
The XV- designation is what the T'au themselves use.

The 1st number is the Mass class and the Second is it's design iteration.

So the XV104 Riptide is a Mass class 10 Battlesuit that's in the last stages of field testing and the XV26 is a Mass class 2 Battlesuit on it's 6th design iteration.

The meanings for the Designations were explained in White Dwarf Issue 91 from 2015.

The "Mantle of Heroes" you mention is just the Transliteration for "Her'ex'vre" which is the T'au Lexicon word for "Battlesuit".

[ThePenitentOne]

Super stoked for stealthsuits!

 

The Tau army I'm planning was always intended to be heavier on Alien Auxiliaries than actual Tau... But I had always planned to lean into stealth suits- the plan was two sets of three, a unit of Pathfinders and the Store Anniversary Ethereal from last year. Two units of Vespids... And just for cosmetic fun, I was going to get a box of the new flying Helamites and put one in each unit. And then just a ton of Kroot. I have their launchbox + a Kinband + a box of Hounds, but I want to add to that- I really like Krootox and Hounds, and I want all three Shapers.

 

But these stealth suits rock, and the larger unit size is welcome- I'll still have the same composition, but with bigger stealth suit units, they'll by a much larger proportion of such a relatively small detachment.

[mel_danes]

Love the new Stealth Suits!
Why does the Neutraliser have a bigger forehead section?
It's the only unit with this feature. The leader has an extra bump sensor on his helmet, and they seem to not share jump packs across the squad.
I'm not sure why that one unit has a bigger noggin.

 

[Orange Knight]

17 hours ago, Robbienw said:

Yeah Wolf Scouts are not veterans.  Not in the sense of space marine units classified as veterans.

 

Space Wolf veterans are the Wolf Guard and of course Long Fangs.

 

 

I think the confusion is coming from the assumption that Veterans only exist in the 1st company - or the Space Wolf equivalent - which in this case would feature units like the Wolf Guard.

 

You CAN have veterans in other companies. A classic example is a veterans Sgt with the white stripes leading a 2nd company squad.

Edited 58 minutes ago by Orange Knight

[Robbienw]

By that kind of definition any space marine who survived the scout company and has done a few missions is a veteran though.  Any tactical marine would be a veteran.

 

They aren’t veterans in the 1st Company veteran unit sense, which is what we mean when we say veteran space marines.

 

Wolf Scouts are Grey Hunter adjacent.

Edited 45 minutes ago by Robbienw

[Orange Knight]

16 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

By that kind of definition any space marine who survived the scout company and has done a few missions is a veteran though.  Any tactical marine would be a veteran.

 

They aren’t veterans in the 1st Company veteran unit sense, which is what we mean when we say veteran space marines.

 

Wolf Scouts are Grey Hunter adjacent.

 

So what is this guy:

 

 

[Marshal Reinhard]

Looking again at the wolf scouts, several of them seem to have Logan Grimnar's Great company badge molded on their pads, which I think might be a first?

[Robbienw]

26 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

So what is this guy:

 

 

A 1st Company veteran sergeant leading an intercessor squad by the looks of things.

 

Not a Wolf Scout.

 

Wolf Scouts don’t join the Wolf Guard before they join the Wolf Scouts.  They are just Grey Hunter equivalents who aren’t as sociable as most Space Wolves.

Edited 3 minutes ago by Robbienw