[RUMOUR] Blood Angels poster faction for 11th

[Indy Techwisp]

I thought what was going on with this was that the 11th ed box would be "Blood Angels" as in they're painted as BA but all the new stuff would be Generic LSM.

 

On that note, do we know if the Jump Chaplain might be getting updated in this? Feels appropriate for that to be the case.

[Dark Shepherd]

Maybe theyll.go for 8th ed nostalgia and the box will have three blood angel smash captains :)

[Mogger351]

45 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

They have access to the same C:SM units as any other given faction, so if you want to run Red Space Marines you can, but anyone who wants to lean into a theme that's been present for 20 years is wrong and should be happy the refresh was mid at best. Gotcha.

 

Look, you've spelled out the solution yourself, they can still spam jump packs until they're red in the face, because they have their special units and all of the generic ones. There are multiple detachments that will provide some benefit to that style of list if thats what you want.

 

So we agree that they have all they need, if you want to run the flanderised meme list its right there, whether I agree with it or not.

 

I also haven't mentioned a refresh at all, you're just 100% projecting here because of the root cause:

 

You can't put a jump pack on a sanguinary priest and they didn't release a special snowflake captain with nipples. Apparently those 2 things are worth being upset about.

 

 

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

1 hour ago, DemonGSides said:

 

I'm not sure how "Well in the past they did this thing that people had to do a work around for" is fair when in contention with "I wish GW hadn't done this thing and instead included the JP so we could still use the SP w JP." No one ever claimed SPwJP was something anyone could buy previously, mine uses a leftover SG jump pack.  But they had data and experience to bring that unit to the table with both wargear styles and they chose not to, and I think that was a dumb choice. 

I actually can’t follow what you’re having at go at me about anymore

[Magos Takatus]

7 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Or it's two units that we use with jump packs because our rules want us to, and we had rules for Sanguinary Priests with jump packs up to the date of the codex dropping.

 

I didn't boil anything down, I wanted to not lose options. Appreciate the condescension though. Ravenguard niche is fully the stealth operations, with some jump packs for their command and vets. BA have a propensity for jump packs, and have access to regular codex space Marines stuff, so yes I would expect them to push the jump pack stuff on models as that is one of our distinctions. I'm not interested in homogenized Space Marines, I like it better when the specialist factions feel special. What's the point otherwise?

 

My point is not to condescend, my point is that people have a habit of Flanderizing factions into the most exaggerated version of themselves, which leaves little room for any nuance.

 

It is unfortunate that captains and Sanguinary Priests have lost wargear options, but that is because of GW's annoying policy of only providing rules for the models they have made without any opportunity for options.

 

Ultimately, the Blood Angels chapters as I knew it in 2nd edition had a Chapter Master, who has later gained a Sanguinary Guard retinue. They have one captain of the first company in Terminator armour and nine captains in power armour. One of those captains was from the assault reserve company, and it makes a lot of sense for him to have a jump pack (or bike) to keep up with the fast attack company he would lead. One of those captains would lead the Scout company, so having a jump pack makes little sense here. One was the Devastator company, again, no reason for a jump pack there. The other captains would fight by the side of their company. Out of the ten squads in the battle companies, two of them would be assault squads. It's equally valid for them to support the Tactical and Devastator squads as it is to join the assault marines. As I said, unless the lore has changed a lot since I played Blood Angels (It was a long time ago), that was how the chapter was organized. Post Primaris, I am not 100% sure how chapters are organized, hence why I said unless the lore has changed a lot. Sure, following the angelic theme of the Blood Angels makes one think of jump pack troops, but equally a theme of the Blood Angels is the noble struggle against the Red Thirst, to resist the urge to just rip their enemies apart in melee and give into the bloodlust. In 2nd edition their armies were balanced, in 3rd edition if you asked what Blood Angels were, it was the Rhino Rush. My intent is not unkindness, but to say that there's more to the Blood Angels or any other Chapter than a single theme. Personally I think it was a mistake on GW's part to make character wargear so inflexible. There's no reason for a Blood Angels captain to be modelled without an option for a jump pack, but even less reason for them to be forced to be equipped with one when most of the troops he leads keep their boots on the ground.

 

Another example of this is the Dark Angels. So much emphasis is put on the Deathwing and Ravenwing these days that you could be forgiven for forgetting that the default armour colour of the chapter is green, because they are so side-lined, yet the fact that the secret of the Dark Angels chapter was hidden from most of the chapter was the whole point. You lose this somewhat when your army is just condensed into the most unique units in the faction.

 

I apologise for my kneejerk reaction in the first post, there was more sass there than was necessary to get my point across. I hope I've explained my point thoroughly but more respectfully this time.

 

Edit: Oh Holy Emperor, I hadn't realised what an argument I caused in here... I replied directly before reading what everyone else replied. Mogger351 beat me to a lot of my points so my post has a lot of points recycled from his posts. Apologies.

Edited Thursday at 07:56 PM by Magos Takatus

[Blindhamster]

42 minutes ago, Magos Takatus said:

Out of the ten squads in the battle companies, two of them would be assault squads. It's equally valid for them to support the Tactical and Devastator squads as it is to join the assault marines.

For what its worth, even back as far as 2nd edition, whilst its true companies typically had 10 squads (sometimes they don't because of casualties, albeit thats where reserve companies come in, assuming you can get back to them), it was noted that unusually the companies always had full 2 x 10 man assault squads, because its where blood angels wanted to be. It's also the reason they had veteran assault squads - because blood angels were more likely to have spent more time in assault squads than other chapters. 

 

IMO you're correct that it went too far in characterisation at one point, but part of the logic behind assault squad troops, was to represent that above fact: that blood angels pretty much always have assault squads in play, they're codex compliant (as much as the flaw allow), but doesn't mean their quirks don't find a way to present themselves.

 

As far as companies are concerned post primaris, they technically didn't change dramatically, in that the split of battleline vs close support & fire support is roughly what it always was, but the kinds of units that fall into those have changed and mkX is ostensibly easier to adjust for "the mission" so probably results in more wiggle room (it's also up to 20 squads in a company, but thats to account of the smaller unit sizes of certain squads and temporary reserve company standins)

[Spagunk]

6 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Was he a full Sang Priest or an apothecary? As I understand it, from various lores over the years, in BA Apothecary doesn't equate to Sang Priest but equates to something like a Sanguinary Novitiate and a Sang Priest is more skilled than an apothecary.

FYI, it was specifically mapped out in the 3rd edition codex as a sang priest

Edited Thursday at 10:25 PM by Spagunk

[Wispy]

7 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

 

My point wasn't that you can't just kitbash or paint your way there

Actually, counter point: Yes you can. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but there's never been an out-of-the-box BA Jump Captain and you always had to kitbash to get there. 

 

edit: I don't even think we even used to have dedicated Codex Captain with Jump Pack models until recent years. Certainty we used to have the Chaplain with Jump Pack... Now that's a hole in the miniature line that hasn't been replaced yet, has it?  They're still selling the Blood Angel version of that chap tho.

Edited Thursday at 11:18 PM by Wispy

[DemonGSides]

3 hours ago, Wispy said:

Actually, counter point: Yes you can. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but there's never been an out-of-the-box BA Jump Captain and you always had to kitbash to get there. 

 

edit: I don't even think we even used to have dedicated Codex Captain with Jump Pack models until recent years. Certainty we used to have the Chaplain with Jump Pack... Now that's a hole in the miniature line that hasn't been replaced yet, has it?  They're still selling the Blood Angel version of that chap tho.

Sorry, I think the double negative has caused confusion. I am saying that's exactly how it works and has worked previously because there was never a BA Cap before this that wasn't a kitbashed thing.

 

The point was we have had, historically, a Smash Captain as something our faction played pretty routinely and GW had a perfect opportunity to make one that was bedecked in BA stuff and instead they did what they did.

 

The new jump cap is cool, for sure, but I also think one in artificer BA armor with some nips would be really cool. 

Edited Friday at 02:24 AM by DemonGSides

[Nephaston]

Judging by how they made a whole different BA captain that just boils down to Captain+Inferno Pistol I would not be surprised if the next BA release is just Jump Captain+Inferno Pistol.

 

All while ignoring what the world truly needs: Jump-Lieutenants and Terminator Lieutenants.

[jaxom]

1 hour ago, DemonGSides said:

Sorry, I think the double negative has caused confusion. I am saying that's exactly how it works and has worked previously because there was never a BA Cap before this that wasn't a kitbashed thing.

 

The point was we have had, historically, a Smash Captain as something our faction played pretty routinely and GW had a perfect opportunity to make one that was bedecked in BA stuff and instead they did what they did.

 

The new jump cap is cool, for sure, but I also think one in artificer BA armor with some nips would be really cool. 

 

I would guess it has something to do with the foot Captain being an homage/update to current Lead Miniature Designer Jes Goodwin's original Blood Angel Captain sculpt and current Lead Miniature Designer Jes Goodwin's Captain Tycho sculpt. Then there's the five updated actually Blood Angel specific kits (not just a Blood Angels version of a Codex unit) which rounded out this release window. This was an update release, not a new miniatures release; the Blood Angels don't have a brand new unit yet, unlike Dark Angels and Space Wolves.

 

At the end of the day, there is a room at Games Workshop where multiple people review model concept sketches and decide what moves forward; and according to Jes Goodwin, that is entirely based on what the people in the room think looks good. The people doing the concept art may care about what got played previously or lore (or they may not), but the people choosing what moves forward do not. It's been that way since at least 2013. And Blood Angel Captain with Jump Pack in MkX armour did not make the cut compared the homage Captain. So there are three possibilities:

1. Blood Angels Captain with Jump Pack in MkX armour was not a drawn concept sketch for this release window.
2. Blood Angels Captain with Jump Pack in MkX armour was not a concept sketch approved to move onto CAD modeling for this release window.
3. Blood Angels Captain with Jump Pack in MkX armour was not a CAD model approved for a manufacturing slot for this release window.

2/3 chance the idea for the model exists and it will show up later, plus whatever the odds are the next round of concept sketches produces a Blood Angels Captain with Jump Pack in MkX armour.

 

37 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

Judging by how they made a whole different BA captain that just boils down to Captain+Inferno Pistol I would not be surprised if the next BA release is just Jump Captain+Inferno Pistol.

 

All while ignoring what the world truly needs: Jump-Lieutenants and Terminator Lieutenants.

The entirety of 40k is very slowly being revamped over multiple editions. They're pacing replacements and releases. Personally, I doubt we'll see the core product lines completed within the next 15 years, but I expect Jump and Terminator versions for most characters eventually.

 

EDIT: Anyone want to take odds on an updated Death Company Captain with Jump Pack dataslate once the new Captain with Jump Pack model is released?

Edited Friday at 03:14 AM by jaxom

[Karhedron]

9 hours ago, Spagunk said:

FYI, it was specifically mapped out in the 3rd edition codex as a sang priest

 

You are right. I think that later editions retconned that to a Sanguinary Novitiate (basically an Apothecary with a Jump Pack) and introduced the Sanguinary Priest as a multi-wound character, basically the generic version of Curbulo.

[DemonGSides]

7 hours ago, jaxom said:

EDIT: Anyone want to take odds on an updated Death Company Captain with Jump Pack dataslate once the new Captain with Jump Pack model is released?

 

Only an idiot would take that bet. 

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

When are Imperial Fists going to be the poster boys for an edition? That's what I want to know!

[Mogger351]

17 minutes ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

When are Imperial Fists going to be the poster boys for an edition? That's what I want to know!

3 years ago in 30k, sorry, best GW can offer.

[Tastyfish]

9 hours ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

When are Imperial Fists going to be the poster boys for an edition? That's what I want to know!

Yeah Heresy and Epic40K (though oddly Blood angels got the box art)

[Kommisar_K]

On 10/4/2025 at 9:17 AM, Crimson Longinus said:

Blood Angels will definitely look a lot nicer than the Ultras, but it also doesn't matter terribly much. 

 

Is there more info about the box contents and can someone summarise it in writing? I know Valrak's rumours tend to be pretty damn solid, but if at all possible I'd rather not listen half an hour of him being overexcited.  

 

 

Listen in at 1.5 to 2x speed and it becomes a very efficient report.

 

Interesting rumor, this. I kinda like the Ultramarines being poster boys but a lot of the hate they get is probly because of that. Maybe rotating them out for edition release will be a win. Plus, BA deserve the attention. 

[Laurence]

9 hours ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

When are Imperial Fists going to be the poster boys for an edition? That's what I want to know!

 

Would Crimson Fists be an acceptable substitute?

[Magos Takatus]

11 hours ago, Laurence said:

 

Would Crimson Fists be an acceptable substitute?

Emperor knows, they have been GW's whipping boys for long enough to have earned another chance at glory. lol

[Larkhainan]

I think it's just the box art. It isn't like the BA are getting anything beyond a sweet box. Though I mean me personally, I just love the idea posted up the thread doing a remake of the 2E box with like ARMAGEDDON written across it. That hits my buttons and I barely feel nostalgia in warhammer outside Eldar.

 

vanvets, "tactical intercessors", jump chaplain, whatever captain variant fighting off boyz, warboss and whatever else just sounds like a nice box to hold onto. Maybe they'll do that for some other battle forces to hit that sweet nostalgia juice.

[Blindhamster]

yeah nobody expects anything other than generic models. However, if the BA are the ones on the main box, there's a fair chance they'll get their supplement early and it has people pondering what the actual update for them might look like. I'd love to say that being the poster boys would necessitate a decent update, but thats not typically the case.

[Sgt.Sangha]

Not entirely specific to this thread but do we have any thoughts on when 11th might get announced? This summer maybe? 

[Tastyfish]

7 minutes ago, Sgt.Sangha said:

Not entirely specific to this thread but do we have any thoughts on when 11th might get announced? This summer maybe? 

Teased probably Feb 2026, properly announced Mar 2026 I'd imagine. For a June/July 2026 release of the Launch box and starter sets.

[Beef]

19 hours ago, Magos Takatus said:

Emperor knows, they have been GW's whipping boys for long enough to have earned another chance at glory. lol

 

No they need another colour other than a different shade of blue to be the new poster boys.  I hope it actually is BA.  Haven't painted BA in years and this would be the excuse i need

[Marshal Reinhard]

10 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

yeah nobody expects anything other than generic models. However, if the BA are the ones on the main box, there's a fair chance they'll get their supplement early and it has people pondering what the actual update for them might look like. I'd love to say that being the poster boys would necessitate a decent update, but thats not typically the case.

Last time someone else was an edition poster boy was Dark Angels for 6th/7th right? Coincided with a then rather nice update for DA, including the first introduction of deathwing knights if I recall?

 

Come to think of it wasn't the introductionary box hard coded with DA details and the like? 

 

If thats the only recent presedent we have it could bode nicely.