[RUMOUR] Blood Angels poster faction for 11th

[Magos Takatus]

3 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

You rang? 

 

Man, the black pauldron rims look so good here. I like that even more than the classic bases.

[Evil Eye]

5 hours ago, Scribe said:

It drives pickup games. 

The normalization of the pickup game as the standard form of game has been a disaster for this hobby, but that's a topic for another thread.

 

@Karhedron Those are some wonderful Blood Angels! Very nice shade of gold on the helmets actually.

[Razorblade]

19 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

or C. The rules for each army should actively encourage lists that fit their respective lore (hence my suggestion that detachments should be the place to "enforce" a level of army composition rules).

 

again to use the obvious one. 

Gladius is literally the example of a battle company. it should require at least a portion of battle company units be present (primarily battleline, but also some "standard" close and fire support") 

Similarly 1st company taskforce should be almost exclusively veteran based units etc.

 

Now, detachment rules can encourage this (1st company does a decent job there, as do a lot of the tyranid ones, gladius does not), but you can use it to help balance the detachments further with a level of requirement. 
 

Why? If the game shouldn't be competitive why would the rules need to do that? 

If competitive play is bad and shouldn't be the assumed standard by which to design rules, the rules don't need to do anything.

Your example is also terrible because Gladius is (irrespective of its company-based 7E namesake) supposed to be the all-rounder Detachment that you can run any space marine army with (because it needed to do that when it was the sole Detachment available) and does that job exceedingly well. 

[Razorblade]

4 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

The normalization of the pickup game as the standard form of game has been a disaster for this hobby, but that's a topic for another thread.

 

@Karhedron Those are some wonderful Blood Angels! Very nice shade of gold on the helmets actually.

If you don't want to play pickup games, and don't want to attend competitive games, then frankly I don't understand why you're even talking. 

If you're playing in a bubble with your buddies you can agree to play thematic armies no matter the ruleset and make up whatever makes you happy besides. 

In the meantime the people that enjoy meeting people and playing the game benefit tremendously from a ruleset that is balanced and allows for diverse lists at the competitive level is a must-have, because competitive is the only reliable standard of power-level between strangers. 

Trust me as a primarily heresy player who's been to narrative events in 3 countries, "play nice" far too subjective to work without massive effort from the organizers (at which point they are acting as a defacto extra ruleset)

[Blindhamster]

38 minutes ago, Razorblade said:

Why? If the game shouldn't be competitive why would the rules need to do that? 

If competitive play is bad and shouldn't be the assumed standard by which to design rules, the rules don't need to do anything.

Your example is also terrible because Gladius is (irrespective of its company-based 7E namesake) supposed to be the all-rounder Detachment that you can run any space marine army with (because it needed to do that when it was the sole Detachment available) and does that job exceedingly well. 

You say that, I still look at its rules and themes and disagree, it’s still very clearly the battle company detachment.

 

but also, you’re welcome to your opinion, honestly I’d prefer to get back to the main topic now lol

[Karhedron]

In the absence of any solid rumours I am going to indulge in a bit of harmless speculation. A lot of people have speculated about an Intercessor refresh but we don't know what form it will take. 

 

The new Space Wolves infantry squads set a new gold standard to my mind for Astartes infantry. At the moment upgrading Intercessors for specific Chapters is limited to shoulder pads and a few bits of bling. Maybe new Intercessors could be designed to be easier to upgrade. Then each squad could be supplied with a Chapter-specific sprue so we can add things like customised torsos (e.g. winged blood drops for Blood Angels).

 

This is just a random idea but if GW do decide to upgrade Intercessors, then I think this would be an approach that would bring something new and good to the unit. 

[Rhavien]

21 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

In the absence of any solid rumours I am going to indulge in a bit of harmless speculation. A lot of people have speculated about an Intercessor refresh but we don't know what form it will take. 

 

The new Space Wolves infantry squads set a new gold standard to my mind for Astartes infantry. At the moment upgrading Intercessors for specific Chapters is limited to shoulder pads and a few bits of bling. Maybe new Intercessors could be designed to be easier to upgrade. Then each squad could be supplied with a Chapter-specific sprue so we can add things like customised torsos (e.g. winged blood drops for Blood Angels).

 

This is just a random idea but if GW do decide to upgrade Intercessors, then I think this would be an approach that would bring something new and good to the unit. 

Yes please GW! Listen to that man. Successively make it compatible with every tacticus kit. Hellblasters, assault Intercessors and those guys with the humongous rocket launchers. Hellblasters have the same problem with all their bits for different guns and the rocket guys are ugly anyway.

[Blindhamster]

44 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

In the absence of any solid rumours I am going to indulge in a bit of harmless speculation. A lot of people have speculated about an Intercessor refresh but we don't know what form it will take. 

 

The new Space Wolves infantry squads set a new gold standard to my mind for Astartes infantry. At the moment upgrading Intercessors for specific Chapters is limited to shoulder pads and a few bits of bling. Maybe new Intercessors could be designed to be easier to upgrade. Then each squad could be supplied with a Chapter-specific sprue so we can add things like customised torsos (e.g. winged blood drops for Blood Angels).

 

This is just a random idea but if GW do decide to upgrade Intercessors, then I think this would be an approach that would bring something new and good to the unit. 

 

tbf, current intercessors could easily have had an upgrade along those lines. the shins are distinct, the torso fronts are distinct. Just a case no 3d designer has done it.

 

20 minutes ago, Rhavien said:

Yes please GW! Listen to that man. Successively make it compatible with every tacticus kit. Hellblasters, assault Intercessors and those guys with the humongous rocket launchers. Hellblasters have the same problem with all their bits for different guns and the rocket guys are ugly anyway.

 

I dunno, if you had one base set of 5 poses for all those unit types, it would suck. Even 10 distinct poses wouldn't be good. Currently we have 5 intercessor poses, 5 hellblaster poses, 5 assault intercessor poses, 5 desolation poses - so literally double the variations for poses.

[Rhavien]

Nah, I meant make em all compatible with that upgrade sprue. Of course the upgrade would be a large frame full of front plates, shin guards and shoulderpads so could could mix them into the squads without all them looking the same. We have done it with the old DC and BA tactical kit, we can do it again.

[Blindhamster]

Personally don’t want to go back to the old torso/leg approach, I prefer the more logical abdomen’s. But there is a middle ground for sure like terminators have where the abdomen is part of the pelvis

[Orange Knight]

I generally like the various Tacticus units in the current range. One exceptions is the Desolation squad from a purely visual perspective, but even they have grown on me somewhat.

 

Going back to Intercessors, the kit does genuinely need an upgrade. As it stands, it is the only Primaris kit that doesn't actually come with all the relevant options in the box.

 

At a bare minimum, we need a selection of Sgt weapons - sword/fist/hammer, etc.

 

And if they go down this route, they could also give the unit some additional weapons options whist they're at it.

Ideally the additional weapons should be a tad more exciting. Perhaps a Grav Cannon and a Melta Rifle.

But there is an opportunity to make the unit resemble the Tactical Squad a bit more with the addition of these weapons, and that will probably make people very happy. A few helmet variants, different shins etc would also be a given.

 

[Wispy]

nevermind

Edited 11 hours ago by Wispy