Are Wolf Scouts veterans?

[SvenIronhand]

20 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

To add on my previous comment, now that I've seen these awesome veterans in Phobos armour.... how about we get some more? Ideally Chapter agnostic.

 

If you think about it, it makes perfect sense for Veterans to pick extra speed and stealth over defence and brute strength, should the situation call for it.

Calling Wolf Scouts 'veterans' is a bit of a misnomer. They're former Grey Hunters (the SW tactical equivalent) who have been given special leave to operate in packs of their own or on their lonesome.  

 

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This topic was created by culling a bunch of posts in the topic about the upcoming expansion for the Kill Team (2024) game in the NRBA forum. This discussion was tangential and was taking that discussion off-topic, but it's definitely worth pursuing.

Edited 16 hours ago by Brother Tyler
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[Wispy]

8 minutes ago, SvenIronhand said:

Calling Wolf Scouts 'veterans' is a bit of a misnomer. They're former Grey Hunters (the SW tactical equivalent) who have been given special leave to operate in packs of their own or on their lonesome.  

All just srmantics. Grey Hunters are veterans. They're not elders like Long Fangs though. Wolf Scouts have always traditionally been an elite choice so calling them veterans is apt.

Edited Friday at 03:04 PM by Wispy

[Robbienw]

Yeah Wolf Scouts are not veterans.  Not in the sense of space marine units classified as veterans.

 

Space Wolf veterans are the Wolf Guard and of course Long Fangs.

[SvenIronhand]

 

2 hours ago, Wispy said:

All just srmantics. Grey Hunters are veterans. They're not elders like Long Fangs though. Wolf Scouts have always traditionally been an elite choice so calling them veterans is apt.

 

 

Wolf Guard are the veteran equivalents.

Edited Friday at 05:43 PM by W.A.Rorie
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[Wispy]

1 hour ago, SvenIronhand said:Wolf Guard are the Veteran equivalents.

 

 

There's capital V Veterans and lowecase v veterans. It's all semantics. Wolf Scouts have traditionally been elite choices alongside Wolf Guard.

Edited Friday at 05:43 PM by W.A.Rorie
Play nice.

[Orange Knight]

17 hours ago, Robbienw said:

Yeah Wolf Scouts are not veterans.  Not in the sense of space marine units classified as veterans.

 

Space Wolf veterans are the Wolf Guard and of course Long Fangs.

 

 

I think the confusion is coming from the assumption that Veterans only exist in the 1st company - or the Space Wolf equivalent - which in this case would feature units like the Wolf Guard.

 

You CAN have veterans in other companies. A classic example is a veterans Sgt with the white stripes leading a 2nd company squad.

Edited 19 hours ago by Orange Knight

[Robbienw]

By that kind of definition any space marine who survived the scout company and has done a few missions is a veteran though.  Any tactical marine would be a veteran.

 

They aren’t veterans in the 1st Company veteran unit sense, which is what we mean when we say veteran space marines.

 

Wolf Scouts are Grey Hunter adjacent.

Edited 19 hours ago by Robbienw

[Orange Knight]

16 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

By that kind of definition any space marine who survived the scout company and has done a few missions is a veteran though.  Any tactical marine would be a veteran.

 

They aren’t veterans in the 1st Company veteran unit sense, which is what we mean when we say veteran space marines.

 

Wolf Scouts are Grey Hunter adjacent.

 

So what is this guy:

 

 

[Robbienw]

26 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

So what is this guy:

 

 

A 1st Company veteran sergeant leading an intercessor squad by the looks of things.

 

Not a Wolf Scout.

 

Wolf Scouts don’t join the Wolf Guard before they join the Wolf Scouts.  They are just Grey Hunter equivalents who aren’t as sociable as most Space Wolves.

Edited 19 hours ago by Robbienw

[Orange Knight]

8 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

A 1st Company veteran sergeant leading an intercessor squad by the looks of things.

 

Not a Wolf Scout.

 

Wolf Scouts don’t join the Wolf Guard before they join the Wolf Scouts.  They are just Grey Hunter equivalents who aren’t as sociable as most Space Wolves.

 

Again, it's semantics I feel.

 

I owned the 5th edition SW codex and the Wolf Scouts being described as Veterans is burned into my memory.

 

Tactical Marines in the traditional codex were some of the most experienced in the entire chapter. I don't know if the same applies to Grey Hunters as the Space Wolves are different - Grey Hunters don't have training as Long Fangs, whilst Tactical Marines DO have training as Devastators. 

 

 

Edited 18 hours ago by Orange Knight

[Robbienw]

Yes it is a semantic distinction.

 

You mean a veteran as in someone who has fought for a while.  In 40k this could easily be the majority of the marines in a chapter as long as it hasn’t recently suffered mass losses.

 

I mean veterans as in named specific veteran status, as in has been in the first company (or chapter specific equivalent such as the Wolf Guard).