Tau suit nomenclature system

[Magos Takatus]

15 hours ago, DarkChaplain said:

I just love that these are XV26 Stealth Suits, while the old kit are XV25 - and were an upgrade to the ancient XV15, which was a completely different design. This here seems like a logical evolution of the XV25, so the smaller step in series numbering makes sense, too.

I think the way that T'au designate their battlesuits is that the first number is the weight class, so it's not just that the leap from XV-15 to XV-25 was bigger than XV-25 to XV-26, but one advanced into a heavier suit category. Presumably the 26's do improve a lot on the 25's but it's not quite as dramatically because they are both the same weight class, I don't know the whole categorization system but I remember reading a bit about it and it was quite interesting.

 

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[chapter master 454]

Reminder: the tau don't designate their suits with numbers. That is the Imperium that does that, XV stands for Xenos Vehicle and the numbers relate to the imperiums sighting and classification of these suits. Tau call them different things, notably I believe crisis suits are called something like "mantle of heroes" or something in their language.

So Crisis suit and such is just what the Imperium short hands them as. However this has likely fallen on the wayside by GW who likely also forgot what XV meant...surprised we don't have an VWXYZ-Tsunami Warsuit by now. The ABC-Undertow Stealth Striker.

 

However these new stealth suits do have an odd side effect: anyone notice stealth suits just up and vanished from the GW store?

Please GW...don't kill tau by getting rid of the only good marker unit we have...let us keep the current style of squad and just add these as a unique variant of the squad.

[Magos Takatus]

24 minutes ago, chapter master 454 said:

Reminder: the tau don't designate their suits with numbers. That is the Imperium that does that, XV stands for Xenos Vehicle and the numbers relate to the imperiums sighting and classification of these suits. Tau call them different things, notably I believe crisis suits are called something like "mantle of heroes" or something in their language.

So Crisis suit and such is just what the Imperium short hands them as. However this has likely fallen on the wayside by GW who likely also forgot what XV meant...surprised we don't have an VWXYZ-Tsunami Warsuit by now. The ABC-Undertow Stealth Striker.

 

However these new stealth suits do have an odd side effect: anyone notice stealth suits just up and vanished from the GW store?

Please GW...don't kill tau by getting rid of the only good marker unit we have...let us keep the current style of squad and just add these as a unique variant of the squad.

Wow, this is really interesting. Can you remember where this came from? I've got some of the older codices, it sounds like I need a lore refresher course. 

[Crimson Longinus]

57 minutes ago, chapter master 454 said:

Reminder: the tau don't designate their suits with numbers. That is the Imperium that does that, XV stands for Xenos Vehicle and the numbers relate to the imperiums sighting and classification of these suits. 

 

This seems rather questionable as Tau stuff is the only things with such designations. Why are Eldar and Ork vehicles not XV-# too if this is how it works?

[darkhorse0607]

41 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said:

 

This seems rather questionable as Tau stuff is the only things with such designations. Why are Eldar and Ork vehicles not XV-# too if this is how it works?

It's also worth noting that Tau characters in their own POVs in their own novels(ie Elemental Council most recently), refer to the battlesuits by to their XV designations. 

 

In the same book they also christen an experimental suit one of the characters made with an XV number

Edited 14 hours ago by darkhorse0607

[sitnam]

1 hour ago, chapter master 454 said:

Reminder: the tau don't designate their suits with numbers. That is the Imperium that does that, XV stands for Xenos Vehicle and the numbers relate to the imperiums sighting and classification of these suits.

 

I don't think this is true at all. Scanning through Lexicanum it seems that these are T'au designations, and the 6th edition codex I scanned through backs this up. It even references older fossil fueled "T-series" and the fission powered "V-series",  the former of which was introduced in M39, well before forst contact with the Imperium

[Indy Techwisp]

2 hours ago, chapter master 454 said:

Reminder: the tau don't designate their suits with numbers. That is the Imperium that does that, XV stands for Xenos Vehicle and the numbers relate to the imperiums sighting and classification of these suits. Tau call them different things, notably I believe crisis suits are called something like "mantle of heroes" or something in their language.

So Crisis suit and such is just what the Imperium short hands them as. However this has likely fallen on the wayside by GW who likely also forgot what XV meant...surprised we don't have an VWXYZ-Tsunami Warsuit by now. The ABC-Undertow Stealth Striker.

 

This isn't true.
The XV- designation is what the T'au themselves use.

The 1st number is the Mass class and the Second is it's design iteration.

So the XV104 Riptide is a Mass class 10 Battlesuit that's in the last stages of field testing and the XV26 is a Mass class 2 Battlesuit on it's 6th design iteration.

The meanings for the Designations were explained in White Dwarf Issue 91 from 2015.

The "Mantle of Heroes" you mention is just the Transliteration for "Her'ex'vre" which is the T'au Lexicon word for "Battlesuit".

[chapter master 454]

9 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

This isn't true.
The XV- designation is what the T'au themselves use.

The 1st number is the Mass class and the Second is it's design iteration.

So the XV104 Riptide is a Mass class 10 Battlesuit that's in the last stages of field testing and the XV26 is a Mass class 2 Battlesuit on it's 6th design iteration.

The meanings for the Designations were explained in White Dwarf Issue 91 from 2015.

The "Mantle of Heroes" you mention is just the Transliteration for "Her'ex'vre" which is the T'au Lexicon word for "Battlesuit".

 

And looking at it...there is some confliction here and likely I got something mixed in here however XV is certainly not Tau, they would refer to them as Her'ex'vre which seems in some lore to be the reason for the XV naming as that is what imperials go by. So my original statement stands wrong as I said number doesn't matter but it does but they don't call them XV (Unless you consider their calling it Her'ex'vre counts as that).

So fair play but if my number "aktully" is wrong, then my look at it then throws it back there too.

We'll call it all square there I think and agree the new suits look cool yea?