Horus Heresy Siege Assault Force (Plastic Breachers + Cataprachtii)

[Daylight]

Love the breachers, and actually do like the new cataphractii. Maybe a small thing to care about, but I do wish they would keep the anatomy of a space marine (at least as presented in the HH rulebooks and whatnot) in mind when designing these models or give an explanation (a la Starcraft marines having their hands in the armor's forearms) as to why some of them suddenly are a head taller than their peers while maintaining the same rough proportions. On the other hand, the saturnine terminators have grown on me as awesome and nothing about the marines in those proportions makes sense by that logic. Maybe sometimes its better to just accept the Orkoid way of thinking.

[No Foes Remain]

New breachers look alright, no volkites is sad but since they removed that option in 3.0 guess it was going to be coming (glad I'm sticking with 2.0). The cataphractii I'm not sold on, I wasn't a fan of the look of them from the pictures that cropped up a while back and they still don't do anything for me (though they will be a good source of volkite chargers it seems). Probably because I prefer the old kit a lot more.

[Matcap86]

I'm really torn on the cataphracti. I like some of the details but they really lost the lumbering, heavy vibe of the originals. They feel very top heavy.

 

Meh, bit sad that they felt the need to redesign the mk3 and cataphracti so heavily, which were my favorite armour marks but the new mk3s are very much not my cup of tea and the new cataphracti I'll need to see in the flesh I think.

[Gorgoff]

Why such a tiny fist?

[Beef]

I like them, maybe its the IW colour scheme but they dont look to slim.  I would defo pick some up to add to my SW 40K army.

 

The breachers while looking nice i would give a miss as i dont really like MK3 armour, if they came in mk6 then yes i would get some.

[Fire Golem]

5 minutes ago, Beef said:

I like them, maybe its the IW colour scheme but they dont look to slim.  I would defo pick some up to add to my SW 40K army.

 

The breachers while looking nice i would give a miss as i dont really like MK3 armour, if they came in mk6 then yes i would get some.

Hopefully the sprue comes separate like the command one. 

[Orange Knight]

I really love these new Cataphractii. They are definitely taller and more skinny, but that makes them look a bit more proportionally correct.

Edited 1 hour ago by Orange Knight

[lansalt]

The new Cataphractii look off, IMO. Lanky, badly proportioned, tiny power fists... I'd say they're 3rd party models or 3d prints.  The art direction is not good.

 

In the other hand, the new Breachers are great!

Edited 9 hours ago by lansalt

[Elzender]

While I do like some of the small design changes in the cataphractii, I do agree that the overall result seems a bit lanky, like they stretched them up a bit without adding a bit of bulk. I feel the midsection issue might be solved by rising the hip armour plates closer to the chest armour (if they are separate from the legs), as right now they mostly overlap with the already armoured legs, accentuating the hourglass effect and realistically not protecting much of a weak point.

I feel the volkite armed models already do that a bit better than the powerfist ones, because at least to me the latter look skinnier than the former.

 

Weapons wise, volkites are always cool, fists do look tiny, and I am not the biggest fan of the maul design. Oh well, I'm sure I have 20+ cataphractii pending building between resin and plastic, so I am not in a hurry to get any more.

 

As for breachers, I splurged on 10 more resin ones the last time they were in stock a few months ago, I just like classic MkIII too much and I just like better the FW reinforced helmets and shield design. Nevertheless, very happy to see plastic versions finally coming out, today is a good day to be an Imperial Fist, looking forward to seeing what the fraters do with these kits.

 

[Zoatibix]

1 hour ago, Gorgoff said:

Why such a tiny fist?

Big fists were seen as overly aggressive?

[Casual Heresy]

Will definitely be putting cash aside for this box. 

 

I'm liking the cataphractii redesign personally though not sure how I'll equip these squads.

 

Finally we get Breachers. Kind of glad it is an upgrade sprue as well as I still have plenty of MKII and MKIII unassembled so can add more breacher squads to my collection at a slightly cheaper cost if I so desire.

 

The inclusion of the Leviathan in the box suits me fine as I don't own one yet. Overall a nice box.

[Stre4]

Wow the new cataphractii look like absolute :cuss:. Honestly who designs the heresy range? The first iteration of mk3 and cataphractii were great with not great proportions. When the 40k Death Guard range came out I thought they would just take that CAD model and clean it up and release them as better mk3. And than we got the redesign(which I do like but still prefer the design of the old ones). Than we got the saturnine terminators that look more like centurion suits than terminators and now we get lanky cataphractii that look more like a new primaris armour than a terminator. Like are gw stupid or something? We liked the previous cataphractii design. People were perfectly ok with just a rescale. Nop that heres a pile of crap. This sucks. The new indomitus are amazing and we got these... The breachers look good tho at least

Edited 7 hours ago by Stre4

[Son of Rawl]

I do not like the two boxes they are in now. Plus when will get lightning claws? 

[Mogger351]

Logical deduction says £49.50 for 6 if that helps anyone.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Is the a size comparison of the phractii with other terminators?

[Blissful Brushes]

I like the Cataphractii. They’re the same height at the eye level of Intercessors and the proportions are a lot more human and less squat. With the proportions, depending on how the sprues are there should be far more scope for conversion than the old set which were virtually impossible to do much more than arms without rebuilding the whole marines.

i think the waist proportions are fine personally. Worst case scenario you could shave the additional thigh plates down or perhaps there’s scope for some kind of belt kit.

[Casual Heresy]

10 hours ago, Nephaston said:

https://minicompare.info/?cataphractii-terminator-sword=&cataphractii-terminator-2025-a-sword-volkite=&terminator-2023-sergeant-sword=

 

Seems like they are old cataphractii with a bit longer waist. And not as XBOXHUEG as indomitus.

 

@Nephaston has you covered @Marshal Reinhard.

[Blissful Brushes]

13 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

Is the a size comparison of the phractii with other terminators?

They look about 2mm below the indomitus at eye level

[Halandaar]

Hmm. Cataphractii feel stretched rather than rescaled. I guess it's to differentiate them from how hulking the Saturnine terminators are, but it gives them more of a shape I'd associate with Tartaros. Certainly not terrible, but a bit of a miss compared to how perfect the Indomitus rescale was IMO. 

 

Breachers look grand though, eagerly awaiting the upgrade frame as a standalone for some Badab Siege Mantlets!

 

 

[bloodhound23]

Their knees look way too low, as does the waist. The fists are a weird choice, the rest would be fine. I do think it was a swing and a miss to not just scale these up. Adding the hip pauldrons would be a fine inclusion, but I'm really not sure why the studio wastes time with redesigns on some of these.

It's as if they keep interpreting these complaints about scale as also being about design language. We love the design language! Just change the scale!

EDIT: it reminds me of iPhone turnover. 

Edited 4 hours ago by bloodhound23

[RedFox]

New cataphractii are a huge missed opportunity. Waist is too small, torso not thick enough, ridiculously small power fist... I'll stick with tortuga models

[Redcomet]

Love all of these. The Cataphracti look fantastic.

[Evil Eye]

Honestly these seem like a sidegrade. Not terrible, but the difference in scale and proportions is so incremental that it's barely noticeable, especially at tabletop viewing distance, and the design changes seem bizarre, especially the wasp waist and tiny power fist. Maybe they'll look better in hand?

[MARK0SIAN]

The Cataphractii have definitely lost that walking cliff face vibe they used to have which is a shame. The bulk of the older ones really sold the idea that their job was to just walk face first into enemy fire and just shrug it off. I think these will grow on me eventually but it’s not as good as I’d hoped. The breachers are awesome though! So good to have such an iconic unit in plastic.

[MoriyaSchism]

I suspected that the new Cataphrachtii were going to look a bit lanky when I saw the leaked art from the books. The waist on the new art was the part that stood out to me the most, didn't seem right for a Terminator at all. Shame to see those suspicions confirmed. I'll stick to modern Indomitus kits and third party stuff. Sad to see the old design go. These seem to suffer from the same pinched at the waist/turnip on a pair of legs issue as the Saturnine terminators.