Named Characters visiting Successor Chapters

[Lathe Biosas]

I was wondering how other players tackle this.

 

Let's say you are playing the Dragonspears, a successor chapter to the Salamanders. 

 

You want to add Vulkan He'stan to your army. Do you:

 

A) Paint him up as normal (1st Company Salamanders), but base him like the rest of your army so he looks like he belongs (The Salamanders Forgefather is visiting your army.)

 

B) Paint him up as a member of your army. (That's not Vulkan He'stan, that's Vul'kan Hes'tan, the Dragonspears' Forgefather!)

[Tacitus]

1 hour ago, Lathe Biosas said:

I was wondering how other players tackle this.

 

Let's say you are playing the Dragonspears, a successor chapter to the Salamanders. 

 

You want to add Vulkan He'stan to your army. Do you:

 

A) Paint him up as normal (1st Company Salamanders), but base him like the rest of your army so he looks like he belongs (The Salamanders Forgefather is visiting your army.)

 

B) Paint him up as a member of your army. (That's not Vulkan He'stan, that's Vul'kan Hes'tan, the Dragonspears' Forgefather!)

I play the Primogenitors so I technically I don't do this, but when I've seen it done in the past is to paint him up as your chapter, and its a counts as.  This was done in the past because Draongspears and Salamanders were different Faction Keywords for what became silly legacy rules after they removed faction bonuses etc.  It no longer really applies as Dragonspears are (in theory) Faction Keyworded as Salamaders as soon as you take your actual or ersatz Vulkan.  This new system fixes a lot of the technical problems they had with sucessors.  Now all Ultramarine Successors hanging around Roboute Guilliman are still Ultramarines, and all the Jet Bike Riding 2nd Company Captains of the various Unforgiven are Dark Angels.  I'm not sure what that does to Gabriel and the Blood Angels though.  I don't follow them as closely.  He could still be Flesh Tearers, or he could be gone entirely.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

I do the second one.

 

I updated my flappy chappy from a first born, to the new lemartes. I generally just plan to play him as a generic chaplain w/ jump pack

[Grotsmasha]

I also paint as my own scheme and counts-as, here's my Heralds of Devastation Chapter Master Variel (Counts'as Azrael),

Spoiler

 

[Kommisar_K]

Yeah counts-as are pretty easy most of the time. As a Salamanders player in a group with a lot of love for Salamanders & their successors I've seen some cool ideas for how He'Stan or Adrax can get into other chapters. Most often conversions play a part (there are some absolutely spectacular Adrax conversions out there) and I've even seen the new Raven Guard boi in green before. Not actually seen 'visiting' before but it totally makes sense, especially if you're familiar with the whole 'Zero' thing... And this'll work for any chapter I imagine.

[Tacitus]

1 hour ago, Kommisar_K said:

Yeah counts-as are pretty easy most of the time. As a Salamanders player in a group with a lot of love for Salamanders & their successors I've seen some cool ideas for how He'Stan or Adrax can get into other chapters. Most often conversions play a part (there are some absolutely spectacular Adrax conversions out there) and I've even seen the new Raven Guard boi in green before. Not actually seen 'visiting' before but it totally makes sense, especially if you're familiar with the whole 'Zero' thing... And this'll work for any chapter I imagine.

Yeah, that's the other side of DIY chapter colors especially in competitive settings.  I think DIY colors tend to encourage conversions even more, and make the paint judging "easier" and also dovetails into meta chasing.  You only have to paint the one set of Intercessors then swap in and out DIY Calgar for DIY Azrael when the meta shifts. 

[W.A.Rorie]

It depends on the army I am playing.  I did have a count as Lysander for my Crimson Fists back in the old days of single digit 40k editions. My current Space Marine armies are Imperial Fists so they will have proper Lysander and I have Exorcists (which may or may not be truly IF successors)  which have no named characters, but I was toying with doing a 1st company based off a Deathwing, Non Phobos Company having a Tigurius as a Librarian, just for the personal story telling aspect of my army.  @The_Oni_of_Hindsight has a personal World Eater Character named Whirr, who is usual a champion or a Chaos lord in his army, In the Current Edition he is his Count as Khârn, and it fits. The main thing I say is, it is your army do what you want and get your groups approval. 

[Galron]

Counts as with similar or "this giant spear is a thunder hammer" type of thing. I have a at least four of these in my Red Scorpions army although obviously I cant use them at the same time, but it allows me to play different detachments like Lysander's or Aethon Shang's(or whatever his name is). As long as the opponent know clearly who the model is then it shouldnt be a problem. I had a counts as Abaddon in my past Night Lords army using the new model.

[Dr. Clock]

C) Convert a cheaper alternative.

 

Heck - I do this even when I am playing the actual Chapter. I have played Salamanders since their Armageddon list, and have never bought a 'real' Vulkan.

 

I'm still buying Suboden for my Storm Lords, though I will at least shave off the Scars icons and replacing with Storm Lords... plus maybe another few little customizations ; )

 

In sum - GW characters are generally too expensive and particular for me to buy with confidence. However, as soon as you start crossing the streams on a couple miniature lines, the conversions kinda start to make themselves!

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

This makes me sad that they took away the generic chapter leadership upgrades.

 

what was that? 9th last time we had that?

I forget the combo but I liked having a chapter master in gravis armor as an absolute beast of a tank.