Fans protest at warhammer world

[Mogger351]

15 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

Those three videos proved that Gee-Dubbs is tone-deaf. People don´t want more of the smurfs. They could have given us a remake of the Badab War and it would have sold like sliced bread. Alas it was not to be. Rather than printing money with Badab they preferred to be lazy and try to cash-in on the SM2 hype which might spill over into SM3. In a nutshell corporate GW has decided for the community what they truly want and this won´t sit well with the customers.  

Yet oddly smurfs sell, the badab war doesn't have external appeal and they are raking in cash based on their SM2 assets. Beyond the weird timing and lack of substance, I'd say they're more on tone than you like to admit.

[Marshal Reinhard]

I'm not overly amused by this. I see what it's going for, kinda. I'm not sure it does a particularly good job... but those people claiming to be offended by this... really?

 

To me it feels like you have to be someone perpetually looking for something to be offended by from GW if this somehow crosses some line...?

 

EDIT: Oh, and I wouldn't be so sure most space marine fans today even know what the Badab war is, let alone have it as their one defining thing which is what they really really want. I think claims to the contrary probably lacks any real overview as to the demographics of the entire fandom and is way more of a projection of "what I want" equals "what we want". Don't get me wrong, the Badab war is a popular part of the lore, particularily among older players. But we (I too like it, y'know?) don't define the entire fandom, even when limited to space marines. Edited, rather than double post

Edited 11 hours ago by Marshal Reinhard

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

6 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

I've said it like five times already, but people like Ultramarines. Get over it, people. 

No, no one likes UM.

[Gamiel]

2 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

I'm not overly amused by this. I see what it's going for, kinda. I'm not sure it does a particularly good job... but those people claiming to be offended by this... really?

 

To me it feels like you have to be someone perpetually looking for something to be offended by from GW if this somehow crosses some line...?

I am amused. But agree with the rest. 

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

20 minutes ago, Scribe said:

So whats the end result here, I find this marketing campaign is not landing in what matters, the detail of what is coming?

End result:

UM fatigue becomes a thing. Customers are annoyed that GW wants to force-feed them smurf slop and thus they will spend their money on other hobby projects.

[ZeroWolf]

Still curious about the word bearer references but the complete lack of rumours saying anything about incoming word bearers is a bit odd. While we know all rumours are lies, it's also true that if GW was a boat, it'd have sunk to the bottom of the ocean by now.

 

Was this all in aid of 500 worlds? Or a misdirection worthy of the Alpha Legion.

 

(Still amused by the style of advertising here, love faux news segments like that)

[Mogger351]

4 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

End result:

UM fatigue becomes a thing. Customers are annoyed that GW wants to force-feed them smurf slop and thus they will spend their money on other hobby projects.

Whoosh.

[Mechanicus Tech-Support]

Ultramarines - 5th most popular on reddit 
None of the Badab stuff is in the top 12 except for the Sallies

Really Deus? you went to my profile and then through all my posts in this thread to spam disagree with them? 

Edited 10 hours ago by Mechanicus Tech-Support

[Marshal Reinhard]

6 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

End result:

UM fatigue becomes a thing. Customers are annoyed that GW wants to force-feed them smurf slop and thus they will spend their money on other hobby projects.

I will now more or less do the very thing I pretty much accused others of: I will assume the thing I do is what most do. Shrug and move on, this not having been enough of a deal to make me react in one way or another. (It really didn't, the string of what i find to be ridicilous overreactions here did)

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

26 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

I'm not overly amused by this. I see what it's going for, kinda. I'm not sure it does a particularly good job... but those people claiming to be offended by this... really?

 

To me it feels like you have to be someone perpetually looking for something to be offended by from GW if this somehow crosses some line...?

 

EDIT: Oh, and I wouldn't be so sure most space marine fans today even know what the Badab war is, let alone have it as their one defining thing which is what they really really want. I think claims to the contrary probably lacks any real overview as to the demographics of the entire fandom and is way more of a projection of "what I want" equals "what we want". Don't get me wrong, the Badab war is a popular part of the lore, particularily among older players. But we (I too like it, y'know?) don't define the entire fandom, even when limited to space marines. Edited, rather than double post

The Badab War offers more than a dozen SM chapters to be built and painted. Everyone can pick a favourite chapter with ease so there is choice. Not so with the forced UM release as GW tries to shove smurfs down the customer´s throat.

[Scribe]

I'll try again.

 

What even is being offered here, or do we not know? I cannot be bothered with this kind of marketing.

[Mechanicus Tech-Support]

Sir my posts in the black library section 2 weeks ago has nothing to do with you being childish and throwing a temper tantrum in this thread. But if it makes you feel better go a head, there's older posts for you to hit disagree with as well 

 

Spoiler

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Mechanicus Tech-Support

[TheMawr]

9 minutes ago, Scribe said:

I'll try again.

 

What even is being offered here, or do we not know? I cannot be bothered with this kind of marketing.

 

Its (imho) a buildup to the 500 world campaign announced in the last preview show.

Remember how they build up to Arks of Omen with those tarot cards ? this is that, but a different take on it.

 

[Orange Knight]

10 minutes ago, Scribe said:

I'll try again.

 

What even is being offered here, or do we not know? I cannot be bothered with this kind of marketing.

 

So far nothing.

 

Down the line we don't know.

[Nephaston]

9 minutes ago, Scribe said:

I'll try again.

 

What even is being offered here, or do we not know? I cannot be bothered with this kind of marketing.

We don't know yet. If I had to guess it'll be a good handful more videos before it crystallizes whatever they want to actually show.

[Tastyfish]

1 hour ago, Gamiel said:

They are selling new t-shirts and mugs, if not more that will appear. 

With GW bowing to pressure and now promising to only release Ultramarine releases, I can only assume we've not seen the whole story yet and all the Ultramarine haters in this thread will get a chance to buy their own shirts and merch in a day or two...

 

Which would then lead me to think that perhaps this is all then targeted to get the community to "Pick a Side" for stores 500 world games.

Perhaps even having the earlier release of Ultramarine codex or some other prize be at stake similar to the Leviathan and AoS competition.

 

"Do you stand with Macragge, or do yet more Ultramarine releases leave you feeling Blue? Go to GW stores and fight in their 500 Worlds campaign to decide who wins." etc

Edited 10 hours ago by Tastyfish

[Marshal Reinhard]

5 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

The Badab War offers more than a dozen SM chapters to be built and painted. Everyone can pick a favourite chapter with ease so there is choice. Not so with the forced UM release as GW tries to shove smurfs down the customer´s throat.

Yes they can, but that does not mean everyone have done so. They can also be completely indifferent to the various chapters of the badab war. Its not the holy grail of marine lore that everyone knows and wants the most.

 

As much as I've harped on UM favoritism over the decade their current line up does not really exceed what others have gotten so far (out of the big... five? So weird to say that)

 

When's the last time there was anything for Badab? Its at this point a small niche of what forgeworld did before they did, well anything besides the heresy. A small footnote. The other marine conflict from decades ago. The Heresy fills up all off the marine on marine conflict of today.

[nodnol88]

Badab won’t be touched until they’ve milked the 10k years between HH and 40K.

 

It makes no sense to go back to a conflict before Cadia’s destruction. No Primaris. No Primarchs. That might be music to the ears of some, but it makes zero commercial sense. 
 

 

[Orange Knight]

1 hour ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

No, no one likes UM.

 

This is a wild statement. In my 30 years in this hobby I have literally played against hundreds of Ultramarine armies, and there is more than one Ultramarine collector in my local scene, and I see them on tabletops everywhere. The only Marine armies I can confidently say that I've encountered more often are the Space Wolves and Blood Angels.

 

I completely understand if the Ultras aren't your slice of cake, and their lore and reputation could be irksome, but people worldwide love the blue Marines.

Edited 9 hours ago by Orange Knight

[Mechanicus Tech-Support]

3 minutes ago, Tastyfish said:

With GW bowing to pressure and now promising to only release Ultramarine releases, I can only assume we've not seen the whole story yet and all the Ultramarine haters in this thread will get a chance to buy their own shirts and merch in a day or two...

Corporate GW version of the pro-skub vs anti-skub meme here we come 

[Nephaston]

1 minute ago, Tastyfish said:

With GW bowing to pressure and now promising to only release Ultramarine releases, I can only assume we've not seen the whole story yet and all the Ultramarine haters in this thread will get a chance to buy their own shirts and merch in a day or two...

True, maybe the next arc of this series of skits is a counter protest at warhammer world chanting "no more ultramarines" "we hate calgar" "blue is NOT my favourite colour" ringing in a back and forth until they finally get to the point.

 

Make the protesters all the same people for both protests for added fun, maybe some fake moustaches to make it funnier. 

[Orange Knight]

On the topic of the Badab War - it was awesome.

 

I was there for the original campaign book and - although I don't talk about them much - I collected the Minotaurs back in the day.

 

I still have a bunch of Minotaur models in my collection including Asterion Moloc, who to this day is one of the coolest and most mysterious Chapter Masters, and I love his Spartan looking model.

 

But here is the truth of it;

The Ultramarines are not to blame for the relegation of the Badab chapters to the lost pages of history. Badab was dropped so Forgeworld could focus on the Horus Heresy. Say what you want about that, but the Ultramarines are not the main focus of that setting. And believe me - I know.

 

I have an Ultramarine army for the Horus Heresy, and they have a tiny range of ugly legion-specific models and limited rules. It was my punishment for not doing thorough research when I started painting my Heresy 2.0 starter set...

Edited 7 hours ago by Orange Knight

[Tastyfish]

3 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

True, maybe the next arc of this series of skits is a counter protest at warhammer world chanting "no more ultramarines" "we hate calgar" "blue is NOT my favourite colour" ringing in a back and forth until they finally get to the point.

 

Make the protesters all the same people for both protests for added fun, maybe some fake moustaches to make it funnier. 

 

I mean I'd certainly consider a "Personally, as Alpharius, I'm fine either way" shirt.

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Tastyfish

[Mogger351]

28 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

The Badab War offers more than a dozen SM chapters to be built and painted. Everyone can pick a favourite chapter with ease so there is choice. Not so with the forced UM release as GW tries to shove smurfs down the customer´s throat.

So we're going for a thinly veiled "I don't want primaris give me mk7 back" or "roll the clock back to 5th-7th ed", because realistically thats the only thing different here. You can still go use those dozen chapters now in one guise or another, the only thing you'd need to really hammer them home is a range of special characters and rules, which would sort of be like forcing not-blue-marines down customers throats, no?

[Joe]

26 minutes ago, Mechanicus Tech-Support said:

Sir my posts in the black library section 2 weeks ago has nothing to do with you being childish and throwing a temper tantrum in this thread. But if it makes you feel better go a head, there's older posts for you to hit disagree with as well 

 

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