Fans protest at warhammer world

[ThePenitentOne]

11 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

There isn't a two way discourse to be had on your opinion, which is kind of the point.

 

There are only 2 real responses, agree or disagree. Apparently disagreeing is being intolerant of your opinion, as what else can anyone offer but to tell you it isn't meant to be offensive and your feelings are misplaced? If they agree with you then it's simply escalating a provocative opinion that will lead to arguments.

 

All of that is trolling as per mod rules.

 

You're entitled to an opinion, you're entitled to be disagreed with by sharing it.

 

Hmmmm. Never did improv eh? Because in Improv, it's all about the yes AND or the no BUT, with the and & the but being the things that provide the conversation. This particular response that I'm writing is an example- I'm neither saying "You're wrong so shut up" nor "You're right so there's nothing else to say." 

 

In fact, even your response (which I quoted) is not "agree" or "disagree"

 

Huh, I guess there's a wider variety of possible responses.

 

As for what is or is not trolling:

 

9 hours ago, Mr Farson said:

Gw: Does a funny video

Community: Billions must die 

 

Same stupid response as to the heresy marketing campaign accept their current marketing form doesn't appeal to you and move on. Shrimples

 

This response both tells me that me feelings are "stupid" and minimizes my legitimate concerns by telling me to "accept it and move on," while this response:

 

9 hours ago, kabaakaba said:

doesn't all this show are full of irony and sarcasm. GW shows that threy knew our anguish and joking about it and themself . I think we get some non-UM updates during 500 worlds.

 

Still clearly disagrees with my point of view, but also offers me some hope in the form of "I think we'll get some non-UM updates during 500 worlds" (By the way, Brother K, I think you're right). Pretty damned decent response actually.

 

I'll leave it to y'all to decide which feels more like trolling- my concerns about the tone-deafness of the ad campaign, my post, your response, Brother K's response or "your feelings are stupid, so accept it and move on." 

 

 

11 hours ago, Lathe Biosas said:

Try being a Blood Ravens fan. We got saddled with multiple C.S. Goto novels and enough memes to sink an ocean liner.

 

 

Well, I feel you, and I don't mean to sound unsympathetic... I get the value of bespoke subfaction releases, but Blood Ravens are still Space Marines, so you got twice as many new TERMINATOR kits (Captain, Librarian, Shooty Squad, Fighty Squad) as Drukhari got kits total (Archon and Malys) in 10th edition... and the Terminator kits weren't even the only kits you got!

 

ANY Space marine chapter, no matter how neglected, is better supported than any Xenos faction overall, though 10th wasn't bad for Aeldari, Tau (ie Kroot), Votann or Nids... And even the Crons got some love.

 

 

[Lathe Biosas]

Yeah. I'm sorry about Drukhari. They get so few releases, that I sometimes forget that they are still their own thing and not just a part of the Aeldari Codex.

 

Sometimes, we (me included) just get so focused on our own little slice of the Fandom, we forget about all the other fans of their own factions out there.

[Zoatibix]

As a Drukhari player, it was a tad annoying to lose three units and one of our few special characters then have yet more marine releases before the ‘New Codex Smell’ had even worn off.

 

[TheMawr]

12 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

 

are still Space Marines, so you got twice as many new TERMINATOR kits (Captain, Librarian, Shooty Squad, Fighty Squad) as Drukhari got kits total (Archon and Malys) in 10th edition... and the Terminator kits weren't even the only kits you got!

 

 

Nor where Lady Malys and the Archon the only kits Drukhari got ( the Mandrakes where also 10th edition.) / potato potato.

 

But as you are pointing out to someone else how nuance is in the reaction, the same goes for the complaints.. and remember, Im saying this as someone actually heavily affected by the unbalance the past decade. ( my 40k armies are Drukhari, Chaos daemons/Tzeentch (mostly) and Ynnari/Corsairs/mostly more Drukhari as I generally dont care much for the craftworlds aesthic.) might be relevant for context.

 

The problem in your (and other's ) equation isnt that Ultramarines, or rather spacemarines got a lot of kits.. the problem is that Drukhari didnt. And that is the complaint, that is the issue to adress. Unnecessarily shifting the blame to another fanbase creates an anatagonized atmosphere that has absolutely no bearing towards a solution to the problem in any way or form.

 

I ofcourse do dislike that after so long Drukhari still got next to nothing, or that my Beastmen army got vaporised, or that chaos daemons is in a state of unclearity. But none of that has anything to do with the love or attention other armies got. I know it might*, but I dont know for sure that it does, and it doesnt matter.. because if I vent my rage against other things, how would anyone know that what I really want is more Drukhari, a proper 40k chaos daemons codex or beastmen back. All they hear me say would be "I hate X" wich is basically an auto-ignore opinion complaint.

 

I look daily at the gathered releases in thumbnails, and honestly, the picture isnt as grim as people paint it to be.

GW cant please everyone, but thats not for lack of trying... this year alone the only keyword-factions who didnt got a new release to buy where Chaos daemons, Custodes, Orks and Harlequins. Thats quite impressive really considering there are 36 keyword-factions, and I do remember a time.. even with much less factions, that this would be unthinkable.

And while half the releases this year have been spacemarine in one form or another, remember that that half does cover 19 of the 36 keyword-factions who have spacemarines in one form or another.

 

* As in, I think the factions releases balance against each other in categories... lack of love for CSM factions seems to be due to other CSM factions, same with Imperium and eldar of all colors.. meaning that its likely that Drukhari didnt get attention past decade purely because craftworlds did.

 

small note : Another personal reason to stay zen in all of this is because the past couple of years my hobby budget has been near zero, with the AI art revolution straight up following the corona pandemic. A rage worthy topic for me, but not for this forum.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Laurence said:

Probably just being re-boxed into standard 40k packaging instead of the Kill Team token-inclusive set.

This is obvious, however, this happened already for the others just not yet for the corsairs.. wich is why added with the rumors it adds speculation that they hold back the reboxing to do it at the same time as they do the new corsair releases. ( as they did with Krieg, though with krieg being so early that one shortly existed as 2 boxes )

 

2 hours ago, DeadFingers said:

Well by the sound of it, in the new Cawl novel he's in Ultramar and there's a whole bit about Iron Warriors fighting Eldar Corsairs. Then there's some DarkMech plus Vashtorr shenanigans (mostly Vashtorr doing the shenaniganry).

 

I don't know where in the rather wobbly timeline of events this novel sits, or if its contents were written with any upcoming releases in mind to begin with, but the rumours do line up quite conveniently with that particular matchup. At least the first half.

 

Hmm, is that writer usually one with more inside knowledge ?

Im generally skeptical of BL having any hints to the future of the TTG. But ofcourse it could be that GW specifically wanted the book to tie in with upcoming events. But there are many seeds planted in BL novels over the years that never became anything, nor are they even really acknowledged by GW in their releases.

[01RTB01]

7 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

Or, you know, from older editions actually being fun and immersive compared to what we have now.

 

Genuine question- why are you even here? You by your own admission don't like any incarnation of the rules, you've never posted a single miniature, and you seem to have zero interest in the fluff (to the point of being outright mad when people suggest the rules should reflect it better). I might complain about many aspects of the current state of the game, but there are still things even modern GW does that I like and I still actually talk about 40K. 

Trolling I think. That seems to be the hobby of prime choice.

 

I said during 8th when it was announced that ITC would be taking over tournaments I was concerned about what'll happen with 40k and unfortunately it's come true. 

 

No ruleset is ever perfect but I do concur. Older editions were certainly more fun. 2nd and 4th/5th stick in the memory. 8th was ok but 7th and 9th were genuinely horrific car crashes. 10th has balance but there's a tragic lack of flavour to it. I enjoy it more than 9th but that's not hard. 

 

It's not rose tinted but I do miss the fun of the depth of 2nd edition. 4th/5th was great too. There was a lot of customisation back then that's long gone. 

[Scribe]

20 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

4th/5th was great too.

 

True game peak.

 

It's no wonder this was also the base of the HH ruleset, and a true golden age for the hobby.

 

Alas, all glory must fade in time.

 

At least the models remain good, even if most are painfully monopose. 

[ThePenitentOne]

3 hours ago, TheMawr said:

 

The problem in your (and other's ) equation isnt that Ultramarines, or rather spacemarines got a lot of kits.. the problem is that Drukhari didnt. And that is the complaint, that is the issue to adress. Unnecessarily shifting the blame to another fanbase creates an anatagonized atmosphere that has absolutely no bearing towards a solution to the problem in any way or form.

 

 

This is an excellent point, and I agree. This might be exactly what I needed to hear in order to let go of the anger that these ads provoked. So thanks for that, and for reminding me that Mandrakes were 10th. And you're right- if Drukhari had received Urien and Grotesques, the Court and Beasts, I'd be fine with a boatload of Marine releases and wouldn't have batted an eye over a tone-deaf ad campaign. Taking the Court and Beast out of the Dex was the worst, because it puts the doubt in your head that those units will EVER come back. I mean, I want to believe that 11th is going to be the edition, but I went through it with GSC in second and Sisters at the end of fifth... This just feels like that kind of slow death, and I just thought the company had outgrown that.

 

Also: condolences on all the armies that you play which took a hit. I was pretty big on Daemons too; I love Eldar Corsairs, but I never had any until the plastics dropped.  

Edited 36 minutes ago by ThePenitentOne