Fans protest at warhammer world

[ThePenitentOne]

3 hours ago, TheMawr said:

 

The problem in your (and other's ) equation isnt that Ultramarines, or rather spacemarines got a lot of kits.. the problem is that Drukhari didnt. And that is the complaint, that is the issue to adress. Unnecessarily shifting the blame to another fanbase creates an anatagonized atmosphere that has absolutely no bearing towards a solution to the problem in any way or form.

 

 

This is an excellent point, and I agree. This might be exactly what I needed to hear in order to let go of the anger that these ads provoked. So thanks for that, and for reminding me that Mandrakes were 10th. And you're right- if Drukhari had received Urien and Grotesques, the Court and Beasts, I'd be fine with a boatload of Marine releases and wouldn't have batted an eye over a tone-deaf ad campaign. Taking the Court and Beast out of the Dex was the worst, because it puts the doubt in your head that those units will EVER come back. I mean, I want to believe that 11th is going to be the edition, but I went through it with GSC in second and Sisters at the end of fifth... This just feels like that kind of slow death, and I just thought the company had outgrown that.

 

Also: condolences on all the armies that you play which took a hit. I was pretty big on Daemons too; I love Eldar Corsairs, but I never had any until the plastics dropped.  

Edited December 4 by ThePenitentOne

[Xenith]

Been away for a bit, but this is hilarious - it's good to see the company let the marketers off the chain.

[Blindhamster]

I’ve had more fun playing this edition and last edition than I did through 3-7th. I always had so many frustrations with those editions. So I guess I disagree with those saying the game is the worst it’s ever been. 
 

dont get me wrong, newest edition isn’t perfect, but it never is.

 

from a model perspective its always been hit and miss too, for every great release there’s a bad one, sometimes you get a 2:1 ratio of good to bad. Rarely better than that. Whilst I do feel ultimately cheated for my blood angels, I’ve been very happy with the vast majority of kits to come out (and as I always say, I actually like all the blood angel stuff, it’s the stuff that we didn’t get that bothers me most).

 

as far as this marketing campaign goes, it feels like it’s missing something, but it’s still sort of fun overall. 

[Ace Debonair]

10 hours ago, ThePenitentOne said:

 

This is an excellent point, and I agree. This might be exactly what I needed to hear in order to let go of the anger that these ads provoked. So thanks for that, and for reminding me that Mandrakes were 10th. And you're right- if Drukhari had received Urien and Grotesques, the Court and Beasts, I'd be fine with a boatload of Marine releases and wouldn't have batted an eye over a tone-deaf ad campaign. Taking the Court and Beast out of the Dex was the worst, because it puts the doubt in your head that those units will EVER come back. I mean, I want to believe that 11th is going to be the edition, but I went through it with GSC in second and Sisters at the end of fifth... This just feels like that kind of slow death, and I just thought the company had outgrown that.

 

Also: condolences on all the armies that you play which took a hit. I was pretty big on Daemons too; I love Eldar Corsairs, but I never had any until the plastics dropped.  

 

Additionally, While Dark Eldar didn't get much stuff this edition, the Regular Eldar got a big refresh of a lot of their (coolest) units at the start of the year. 

 

I can totally see GW not wanting to drastically update both Eldar factions' units in the same edition for... some weird internal logic reason (that probably wouldn't make sense to us regular hobbyists).  

 

Or they're worried people would then riot over all the Eldar being released, which would need even more videos poking fun at it. 

 

Either way, Dark Eldar got Lady Malys this edition - Regular Eldar could well 'just' get their missing Phoenix Lord next edition, leaving 'release space*' for the Dark Eldar to get a sweeping overhaul of their Beasts, Court et al.

 

In which case the only weird thing is taking the resin stuff off sale so far ahead of time - unless something's gone wrong with some of the moulds or something, but that's not likely to be something that gets announced.

 

*Muscle memory had me typing 'realspace' for a minute there. Sort of appropriate, but not the word I wanted! 

[Zoatibix]

Could be a casting issue, but I feel it’s more likely them want to put the kibosh on third-party alternatives.

 

 

Which is really sad from a hobbyist perspective, of course.  I have kit bashed both Grotesques and Court of the Archon from GW bits.

 

I share the concern above that we either don’t get these units back, or they are replaced with something different.

 

(e.g Tyranid Winged Warriors…oh…we’re finally getting them in plastic…oh…we got the love-child of Lictors and Hormangaunts instead…)

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 12:46 PM by Zoatibix

[Dark Shepherd]

Via Valrak/Rob the honest wargamer

 

Apparently GW have layed off a bunch of  people from the marketing dept. And this years staff bonus down 20% on last year

 

Seems weird given timing, profits, 11th, SM2, Cavill. UNLESS theyre going for people from a marketing background not a GW background

[Robbienw]

Probably just they need to funnel more profits into something else such as infrastructure costs or dividends.

[Vassakov]

10 hours ago, ThePenitentOne said:

 

This is an excellent point, and I agree. This might be exactly what I needed to hear in order to let go of the anger that these ads provoked. So thanks for that, and for reminding me that Mandrakes were 10th. And you're right- if Drukhari had received Urien and Grotesques, the Court and Beasts, I'd be fine with a boatload of Marine releases and wouldn't have batted an eye over a tone-deaf ad campaign. Taking the Court and Beast out of the Dex was the worst, because it puts the doubt in your head that those units will EVER come back. I mean, I want to believe that 11th is going to be the edition, but I went through it with GSC in second and Sisters at the end of fifth... This just feels like that kind of slow death, and I just thought the company had outgrown that.

 

Also: condolences on all the armies that you play which took a hit. I was pretty big on Daemons too; I love Eldar Corsairs, but I never had any until the plastics dropped.  

 

I'm sorry, but I can't help but feel that this is objectively wrong.

 

Specifically on the Drukhari kits - they have something in common, and that's that they are Finecast. We know that GW are basically entirely phasing out Finecast at this point, and rightly so. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they've essentially ended their Finecast production capabilities and are just running down a bit of existing stock before knocking it all on the head shortly. There are currently 8 kits listed on GW's website for 40k that are Finecast and 7 for AoS - and of those, all 7 AoS kits are for Ogre Maneaters (heavily rumoured to be getting a full refresh imminently). One of the 40k kits is Eisenhorn, a legends model, two are C'tan (and the Nightbringer is OOS and getting a plastic kit soon), there's the Ork Weirdboy (seems likely to get a plastic model if the rumours of Orks in the 11th box are true). The outlier is MESBG, which still has a lot of Finecast in the range - I wonder whether there are rights issues there?

 

However, in terms of stuff coming back - have you seen the releases from the last few years? It's been nostalgia, reimagining old ideas, bringing back stuff that's only really been hinted at, or going all out on new ideas. We've seen the Squats come back as both the Votann and the Necromunda Squats, Aspects have been fully revamped, there's new stuff and old favourites for factions like the Nids... The decision to remove them from the Codex will be the business decision of "if we're not actively selling it it's not in the books" - we can argue about that but it is off-topic here. 

 

It seems likely that some of the stuff you'd mentioned will be back - possibly as KT, which is another avenue for the oddball and random kits. Or just randomly released out of nowhere, which is happening increasingly often.
 

I will make one final note - like it or not, Space Marines essentially subsidise everything else. Whether that's because GW make more, or that's where the demand is - I don't know. Probably a bit of both, though it is noticeable that the Xenos v Xenos boxes tended to underperform. So it can't really be that surprising that it's the Space Marine's galaxy, and the rest of us are just living there. 

 

 

[Joe]

13 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

Probably just they need to funnel more profits into something else such as infrastructure costs or dividends.

 

Infrastructure, materials / operational costs and salaries would be the most likely candidates, particularly that third area given the National Insurance rises and forthcoming wage rises in 2026. 

[Dark Shepherd]

But the bonus is a profit share and those things listed I THINK are all regular expenses ie all on the balance sheet

2k employees 5k bonus less 20% would be saving of 2 million. IIRC they said before average bonus is 5k but based on years of service

 

Dividends are discretionary, that said (see pic) 

 

Apologies for all this, am off sick :)

 

Worth noting the board own A LOT of stock relatively speaking

 

Edited Thursday at 02:11 PM by Dark Shepherd

[ThePenitentOne]

@Ace Debonair Agreed! I do expect Karandras to be the only Craftworld release next edition, though I think we might see some Corsair stuff, possibly through KT, and they kinda work for BOTH Aeldari AND Drukhari. To address someone else's comment from WAY earlier in the thread, if we get Yriel (and I WANT a new Yriel), I really want him to be a dual build with a generic "Corsair Prince" datasheet. Giving subfactions only named warlords makes it less fun to use that subfaction in Crusade, because named characters can't grow.

 

But yes, if Eldar got Karandras, a Yriel/ Prince and a Corsair unit, that would leave a lot of room for Drukhari Releases.

 

As for early removal, that is because they went to Range Rotation... And I think they even brought them back from range rotation ONCE, then rotated them out again.

 

@Vassakov I hope you're right, and I think you will be about SOME things. So let's break it down:

 

First, what I had expected is that these units would continue to be in the Dex, and that they would boomeranged OUT of range rotation for a limited time for the dex release. I believed this because ALL of the units in question were included in the Index at the beginning of the edition, and they had been given a "consistency makeover" to bring them in line with the fixed unit mentality of 10th.

 

Now, like you, I think some or even most of these will be back and 11th will be the edition when it happens. I 100% believe that Urien and the Grotesques will be back for 11th. I'm reasonably sure that Beasts will be back too. The Court, however, I am concerned about, because their role has been somewhat duplicated by Hand of the Archon; the Disciple of Yaelindra IS a Lhamaean by another name. I am HOPEFUL that the Court will come back- the one thing they can do that the Hand cannot is stack with Kabalites in a unit lead by an Archon.

 

For the "New" I'm hoping for a lot. Realistically, I think they might give us Vect as a centerpiece, because the army doesn't currently have a centerpiece. The dream is that the Dias of Destruction is reimagined as a Tantalus, and the the kit is marketed as a Vect/ Tantalus dual build. Beyond that, I want Kheradruahk (AKA Decapitator), and I think he's likely because of the new Mandrakes... But he suffers from the Yriel problem above- he'd be better as a Kheradruahk/ Generic Mandrake Leader dual build. Then there's Duke Sliscuss, who could act as a dark mirror to Yriel- ie. able to lead either the home faction or Corsairs. The final ask is Baron Sathonyx- now if GW wanted to be super cool, they could dual build him too- either with the Beast Master or a generic Hellion leader.

 

That is the pipe dream. GW NEVER does as much dual building as they should, and we'll be luck to have ANY dual build kits... Even if they give us Vect, Kheradruahk, Sliscuss and Sathonyx. The greater likelihood is just Urien, Grotesques, Beasts and monobuild Vect. I'd be content with that, but it would take the Court on top of that to make me happy. To get anything above and beyon that, and be ecstatic.

[Lord_Ikka]

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