Fans protest at warhammer world

[phandaal]

23 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

After all, McDonald's is a massively successful company but nobody would call their product high quality.

 

Funny, buying new GW kits at or close to modern prices makes me feel similar to how I feel after eating too much (i.e., any) McDonald's. 

 

3 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

The rules have ALWAYS been bad. Anything fond you remember from older editions is rose tinted glasses. 

 

So it is really saying something to be at the lowest point of that, yeah?

 

Uh, keeping things on topic... Ultramarines, they are the worst!

[DeadFingers]

So it'd seem that the Voidscarred Corsairs have disappeared from GW's webstore entirely. Valrak can't find them in the UK store, I can't find them in my regional store, and I'm being told by other folks from other places that they're also gone in their region.

 

Rather suspicious suddenly vanishing like that without a warning. Makes one think they might be getting reboxed for a re-release of some sort. Wonder if they'll address this disappearing act soon.

Edited December 3, 2025 by DeadFingers

[Evil Eye]

16 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

The rules have ALWAYS been bad. Anything fond you remember from older editions is rose tinted glasses. 

Or, you know, from older editions actually being fun and immersive compared to what we have now.

 

Genuine question- why are you even here? You by your own admission don't like any incarnation of the rules, you've never posted a single miniature, and you seem to have zero interest in the fluff (to the point of being outright mad when people suggest the rules should reflect it better). I might complain about many aspects of the current state of the game, but there are still things even modern GW does that I like and I still actually talk about 40K. 

[Indy Techwisp]

Have they posted another video today, or did they just drop this after 3 skits?

[ZeroWolf]

1 minute ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Have they posted another video today, or did they just drop this after 3 skits?

Possibly ended it but we don't know for sure, they could revive it later this week for all we know depending on what it actually is. Given we could be looking at a Total War 40k announcement tomorrow (stress the could be part) they may have wanted to give some space for that to land before continuing. We literally do not know at this point in time.

[Wispy]

4 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Quality is hard to quantify and doesn't apply to all aspects of the Warhammer hobby.

 

-Do GW offer the most expansive (and expensive lol) wargame, with the biggest range of models, the most factions, the most variety of plastic kits, with the most frequent release schedule?
Yes, they absolutely do.

 

-Is the actual tabletop game as good as the models they sell? 

Absolutely not lol

It's kind of a weird dynamic because there's a drop off at participation each stage of the hobby. People who buy, model, paint, and then play a wargame with the models are unicorns. The rules are the worst part of GW's business but they're also a niche in a niche. 

 

I only buy and paint so I'm very satisfied with GW's offerings. I don't wargame so there's no pressure to buy multiple kits or vehicles, I can content myself with just 1 of something in my collection. An army box is big savings & often just a 1 time annual expense for models. I'm not pressured to buy things I don't want just because they're competitive. I don't have to worry about expenses for carrying cases or the like. 

 

[Gamiel]

35 minutes ago, DeadFingers said:

So it'd seem that the Voidscarred Corsairs have disappeared from GW's webstore entirely. Valrak can't find them in the UK store, I can't find them in my regional store, and I'm being told by other folks from other places that they're also gone in their region.

 

Rather suspicious suddenly vanishing like that without a warning. Makes one think they might be getting reboxed for a re-release of some sort. Wonder if they'll address this disappearing act soon.

They will return as Ultramarine Corsairs!

[TheMawr]

21 minutes ago, DeadFingers said:

So it'd seem that the Voidscarred Corsairs have disappeared from GW's webstore entirely. Valrak can't find them in the UK store, I can't find them in my regional store, and I'm being told by other folks from other places that they're also gone in their region.

 

Rather suspicious suddenly vanishing like that without a warning. Makes one think they might be getting reboxed for a re-release of some sort. Wonder if they'll address this disappearing act soon.

 

They have dissapeared for over a month now, ( they where gone when the Voidscarred book went in pre-order ) its not that new. This is the reason why  I think the Corsairs box being the christmas reveal is likely, its not just wishful thinking. ( combined with assuming the GW video held a hint that the "box" was not a single kit but something with multiple kits, wich ofcourse might not be a hint at all.) Its interesting though, the imminentness of both signs and rumors suggest they are more likely to drop around the time of 500 Worlds Titus instead of featuring in their own book, and there is even hints in the 500 worlds reveal that alludes to something more featuring than just Ultramarines (or any of their allies) and Necrons as it will have a 3 way battle narrative campaign.. but its also clear their rules nor presence are a feature point in 500 world Titus.

 

Since the reveal Im patiently waiting to learn more about that third player, though it could be a low-key chaos presence in book 1 that escalates in book 2 or something.

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, phandaal said:

So it is really saying something to be at the lowest point of that, yeah?

That's not quantifiable except to people blinded by "old good, new bad".

 

The rules have ALWAYS been equally bad through all editions whether it be due to power creep (yes that did happen in old editions too) or never updating rules or odd rules interactions/holes. 

 

Ever notice the defense is "the old rules are actually better and you just have to XYZ"? If you have to modify how the game is played, the game wasn't well designed to begin with. 

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

Or, you know, from older editions actually being fun and immersive compared to what we have now.

 

Genuine question- why are you even here? You by your own admission don't like any incarnation of the rules, you've never posted a single miniature, and you seem to have zero interest in the fluff (to the point of being outright mad when people suggest the rules should reflect it better). I might complain about many aspects of the current state of the game, but there are still things even modern GW does that I like and I still actually talk about 40K. 

The rules are the same level of immersion, just with a few less upgrades. Hate to break it to you that everyone purchasing Artificer Armor for their Captains isn't immersion. As well, you clearly haven't understood my various complaints with various bespoke rules because that summary doesn't actually make sense. I still play on the occasion but I'm not around pretending old rules are greater quality because they're genuinely not, nor will I pretend there isn't a ton that can be improved. 

 

I also don't post miniatures due to the fact I'm in the process of stripping apart my older models and incorporating Tortuga Mk3 stuff (which I only shared one picture of an unpainted guy to share a size comparison to Manlet Marines a few months ago) and not having a lot complete due to work/school, and don't feel like sharing incomplete work. 

[Evil Eye]

20 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

That's not quantifiable except to people blinded by "old good, new bad".

 

As opposed to people blinded by "old bad, new good"?

20 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

The rules have ALWAYS been equally bad through all editions

Absolutely not. Compare late 3rd/early 4th to 5th-7th (let alone 8th onwards). The amount of features and cool content we've lost since then is depressing to think about.

20 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Ever notice the defense is "the old rules are actually better and you just have to XYZ"?

When the "XYZ" is "Just don't play this one very specific borked list/combination/tactic and you'll have a good time" as opposed to "Just wait for the next balance patch to drop and invalidate half the contents of the book you paid for and maybe the game will be semi-enjoyable if you squint" then yes, old is absolutely better than new. There's always been broken combos and there always will, because they're inescapable in a game as complex and as asymmetric as 40K, but not only does modern 40K have just as many if not more than older editions did, it's gotten rid of a lot of what made 40K fun to begin with.

20 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

If you have to modify how the game is played, the game wasn't well designed to begin with. 

Exercising basic common decency and not using well-known game-breaking combos or exploiting metagaming is several orders of magnitude less of a "modification" than what is required to make 10th even remotely enjoyable.

6 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

The rules are the same level of immersion, just with a few less upgrades.

"A few"? Compare the 4th edition Tyranid Warrior options to their current options. Never mind things like the old vehicle design rules.

7 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Hate to break it to you that everyone purchasing Artificer Armor for their Captains isn't immersion.

Oh. You're one of those. Guess what, not everyone treats every game like a tournament and min-maxes their lists regardless of environment.

9 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

As well, you clearly haven't understood my various complaints with various bespoke rules because that summary doesn't actually make sense.

Which is funny, because the "too many bespoke rules" problem is almost entirely a modern phenomenon, since GW decided a basic armoury and universal wargear list that an army drew from was no good. Remember when a bolter was a bolter regardless of who was holding it?

13 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

I still play on the occasion but I'm not around pretending old rules are greater quality because they're genuinely not, nor will I pretend there isn't a ton that can be improved. 

They absolutely are though; you simply have a completely skewed idea of what a wargame should be.

  

Edited December 3, 2025 by Evil Eye

[Nephaston]

4 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

As opposed to people blinded by "old bad, new good"?

In my objectively correct Observation that supersedes every other Opinion it is "old bad, new bad"

[phandaal]

33 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

That's not quantifiable 

...

The rules have ALWAYS been equally bad through all editions

 

If determining which edition has the worst rules is not possible because there is not a quantifiable metric, then neither is saying they are equally bad. In which case, we can forget this interaction ever happened.

 

Time to get back to being angry about Ultramarines and looking down my nose at anyone who has the wrong opinions about this marketing thing.

[Scribe]

Rules always having been bad is perhaps true, from certain perspectives. 

 

The rules now, being the worst ever, is also true.

 

Both statements coexist. 

 

Anyway, getting bent out of shape over this pretty tame campaign is a choice.

[Mogger351]

Peoples wildly subjective opinions being aired as fact and everyone stomping their own subjective opinions on top of them as facts, coming to this thread near you.

[DeadFingers]

2 hours ago, TheMawr said:

Since the reveal Im patiently waiting to learn more about that third player, though it could be a low-key chaos presence in book 1 that escalates in book 2 or something.

Well by the sound of it, in the new Cawl novel he's in Ultramar and there's a whole bit about Iron Warriors fighting Eldar Corsairs. Then there's some DarkMech plus Vashtorr shenanigans (mostly Vashtorr doing the shenaniganry).

 

I don't know where in the rather wobbly timeline of events this novel sits, or if its contents were written with any upcoming releases in mind to begin with, but the rumours do line up quite conveniently with that particular matchup. At least the first half.

Edited December 3, 2025 by DeadFingers

[SvenIronhand]

I would like to see more from the Corsair line of models; Prince Yriel in particular would be baller.

[Laurence]

3 hours ago, DeadFingers said:

So it'd seem that the Voidscarred Corsairs have disappeared from GW's webstore entirely. Valrak can't find them in the UK store, I can't find them in my regional store, and I'm being told by other folks from other places that they're also gone in their region.

 

Rather suspicious suddenly vanishing like that without a warning. Makes one think they might be getting reboxed for a re-release of some sort. Wonder if they'll address this disappearing act soon.

Probably just being re-boxed into standard 40k packaging instead of the Kill Team token-inclusive set.

[ThaneOfTas]

31 minutes ago, DeadFingers said:

I don't know where in the rather wobbly timeline of events this novel sits, or if its contents were written with any upcoming releases in mind to begin with

I'm fairly certain that it's set pretty far forward in the timeline. Certainly post Arks of Omen and the Pariah Nexus.

 

Also early in the book, Tetrach Felix runs down a list of the foes that he's seen dealing with in his area of Ultramar, and it certainly seemed like most of the other factions in a campaign series to me. Plus the book ends with Felix jetting off with Cawl to the Rift, which explains why Titus has to pick up the slack.

[ThePenitentOne]

11 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

There isn't a two way discourse to be had on your opinion, which is kind of the point.

 

There are only 2 real responses, agree or disagree. Apparently disagreeing is being intolerant of your opinion, as what else can anyone offer but to tell you it isn't meant to be offensive and your feelings are misplaced? If they agree with you then it's simply escalating a provocative opinion that will lead to arguments.

 

All of that is trolling as per mod rules.

 

You're entitled to an opinion, you're entitled to be disagreed with by sharing it.

 

Hmmmm. Never did improv eh? Because in Improv, it's all about the yes AND or the no BUT, with the and & the but being the things that provide the conversation. This particular response that I'm writing is an example- I'm neither saying "You're wrong so shut up" nor "You're right so there's nothing else to say." 

 

In fact, even your response (which I quoted) is not "agree" or "disagree"

 

Huh, I guess there's a wider variety of possible responses.

 

As for what is or is not trolling:

 

9 hours ago, Mr Farson said:

Gw: Does a funny video

Community: Billions must die 

 

Same stupid response as to the heresy marketing campaign accept their current marketing form doesn't appeal to you and move on. Shrimples

 

This response both tells me that me feelings are "stupid" and minimizes my legitimate concerns by telling me to "accept it and move on," while this response:

 

9 hours ago, kabaakaba said:

doesn't all this show are full of irony and sarcasm. GW shows that threy knew our anguish and joking about it and themself . I think we get some non-UM updates during 500 worlds.

 

Still clearly disagrees with my point of view, but also offers me some hope in the form of "I think we'll get some non-UM updates during 500 worlds" (By the way, Brother K, I think you're right). Pretty damned decent response actually.

 

I'll leave it to y'all to decide which feels more like trolling- my concerns about the tone-deafness of the ad campaign, my post, your response, Brother K's response or "your feelings are stupid, so accept it and move on." 

 

 

11 hours ago, Lathe Biosas said:

Try being a Blood Ravens fan. We got saddled with multiple C.S. Goto novels and enough memes to sink an ocean liner.

 

 

Well, I feel you, and I don't mean to sound unsympathetic... I get the value of bespoke subfaction releases, but Blood Ravens are still Space Marines, so you got twice as many new TERMINATOR kits (Captain, Librarian, Shooty Squad, Fighty Squad) as Drukhari got kits total (Archon and Malys) in 10th edition... and the Terminator kits weren't even the only kits you got!

 

ANY Space marine chapter, no matter how neglected, is better supported than any Xenos faction overall, though 10th wasn't bad for Aeldari, Tau (ie Kroot), Votann or Nids... And even the Crons got some love.

 

 

[Lathe Biosas]

Yeah. I'm sorry about Drukhari. They get so few releases, that I sometimes forget that they are still their own thing and not just a part of the Aeldari Codex.

 

Sometimes, we (me included) just get so focused on our own little slice of the Fandom, we forget about all the other fans of their own factions out there.

[Zoatibix]

As a Drukhari player, it was a tad annoying to lose three units and one of our few special characters then have yet more marine releases before the ‘New Codex Smell’ had even worn off.

 

[TheMawr]

12 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

 

are still Space Marines, so you got twice as many new TERMINATOR kits (Captain, Librarian, Shooty Squad, Fighty Squad) as Drukhari got kits total (Archon and Malys) in 10th edition... and the Terminator kits weren't even the only kits you got!

 

 

Nor where Lady Malys and the Archon the only kits Drukhari got ( the Mandrakes where also 10th edition.) / potato potato.

 

But as you are pointing out to someone else how nuance is in the reaction, the same goes for the complaints.. and remember, Im saying this as someone actually heavily affected by the unbalance the past decade. ( my 40k armies are Drukhari, Chaos daemons/Tzeentch (mostly) and Ynnari/Corsairs/mostly more Drukhari as I generally dont care much for the craftworlds aesthic.) might be relevant for context.

 

The problem in your (and other's ) equation isnt that Ultramarines, or rather spacemarines got a lot of kits.. the problem is that Drukhari didnt. And that is the complaint, that is the issue to adress. Unnecessarily shifting the blame to another fanbase creates an anatagonized atmosphere that has absolutely no bearing towards a solution to the problem in any way or form.

 

I ofcourse do dislike that after so long Drukhari still got next to nothing, or that my Beastmen army got vaporised, or that chaos daemons is in a state of unclearity. But none of that has anything to do with the love or attention other armies got. I know it might*, but I dont know for sure that it does, and it doesnt matter.. because if I vent my rage against other things, how would anyone know that what I really want is more Drukhari, a proper 40k chaos daemons codex or beastmen back. All they hear me say would be "I hate X" wich is basically an auto-ignore opinion complaint.

 

I look daily at the gathered releases in thumbnails, and honestly, the picture isnt as grim as people paint it to be.

GW cant please everyone, but thats not for lack of trying... this year alone the only keyword-factions who didnt got a new release to buy where Chaos daemons, Custodes, Orks and Harlequins. Thats quite impressive really considering there are 36 keyword-factions, and I do remember a time.. even with much less factions, that this would be unthinkable.

And while half the releases this year have been spacemarine in one form or another, remember that that half does cover 19 of the 36 keyword-factions who have spacemarines in one form or another.

 

* As in, I think the factions releases balance against each other in categories... lack of love for CSM factions seems to be due to other CSM factions, same with Imperium and eldar of all colors.. meaning that its likely that Drukhari didnt get attention past decade purely because craftworlds did.

 

small note : Another personal reason to stay zen in all of this is because the past couple of years my hobby budget has been near zero, with the AI art revolution straight up following the corona pandemic. A rage worthy topic for me, but not for this forum.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Laurence said:

Probably just being re-boxed into standard 40k packaging instead of the Kill Team token-inclusive set.

This is obvious, however, this happened already for the others just not yet for the corsairs.. wich is why added with the rumors it adds speculation that they hold back the reboxing to do it at the same time as they do the new corsair releases. ( as they did with Krieg, though with krieg being so early that one shortly existed as 2 boxes )

 

2 hours ago, DeadFingers said:

Well by the sound of it, in the new Cawl novel he's in Ultramar and there's a whole bit about Iron Warriors fighting Eldar Corsairs. Then there's some DarkMech plus Vashtorr shenanigans (mostly Vashtorr doing the shenaniganry).

 

I don't know where in the rather wobbly timeline of events this novel sits, or if its contents were written with any upcoming releases in mind to begin with, but the rumours do line up quite conveniently with that particular matchup. At least the first half.

 

Hmm, is that writer usually one with more inside knowledge ?

Im generally skeptical of BL having any hints to the future of the TTG. But ofcourse it could be that GW specifically wanted the book to tie in with upcoming events. But there are many seeds planted in BL novels over the years that never became anything, nor are they even really acknowledged by GW in their releases.

[01RTB01]

7 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

Or, you know, from older editions actually being fun and immersive compared to what we have now.

 

Genuine question- why are you even here? You by your own admission don't like any incarnation of the rules, you've never posted a single miniature, and you seem to have zero interest in the fluff (to the point of being outright mad when people suggest the rules should reflect it better). I might complain about many aspects of the current state of the game, but there are still things even modern GW does that I like and I still actually talk about 40K. 

Trolling I think. That seems to be the hobby of prime choice.

 

I said during 8th when it was announced that ITC would be taking over tournaments I was concerned about what'll happen with 40k and unfortunately it's come true. 

 

No ruleset is ever perfect but I do concur. Older editions were certainly more fun. 2nd and 4th/5th stick in the memory. 8th was ok but 7th and 9th were genuinely horrific car crashes. 10th has balance but there's a tragic lack of flavour to it. I enjoy it more than 9th but that's not hard. 

 

It's not rose tinted but I do miss the fun of the depth of 2nd edition. 4th/5th was great too. There was a lot of customisation back then that's long gone. 

[Scribe]

20 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

4th/5th was great too.

 

True game peak.

 

It's no wonder this was also the base of the HH ruleset, and a true golden age for the hobby.

 

Alas, all glory must fade in time.

 

At least the models remain good, even if most are painfully monopose.