Fans protest at warhammer world

[ZeroWolf]

35 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

The Lion getting a single self-contained story, and then being incognito from all the greater 40k lore has been a massive let down for me, personally.

It has now been 2 years since his return, but he may as well not be in the setting.

I could see GW preferring to keep events of that magnitude to end of edition things (either that or no writer is wanting to have a go at the story of course) plus they seem to jump around a lot when they're setting their lore, with the fact they returned to pariah nexus in order to sort things there (to some extent).

 

Would love to listen in on the part of the office that deals with the narrative, to see what its like. Current lore quantity feels like there's two-three people working there.

[Orange Knight]

It's just odd to me because Black Library haven't shied away from absolutely Earth stattering plots over the last 7/8 years. Granted, all the big stuff is being handled by Haley and Wraight, but surely one of them can take ownership of the Lion for a novel or two.

Anyways, back to the 500 Worlds... maybe the Lion will show up again in a repeat of "The Unremembered Empire" lol

[Dark Shepherd]

12 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

It's just odd to me because Black Library haven't shied away from absolutely Earth stattering plots over the last 7/8 years. Granted, all the big stuff is being handled by Haley and Wraight, but surely one of them can take ownership of the Lion for a novel or two.

Anyways, back to the 500 Worlds... maybe the Lion will show up again in a repeat of "The Unremembered Empire" lol

Bit of a tangent but I think BL has downsized and or is suffering from braindrain

 

Maybe more on point Gav Thorpe is generally Mr Dark Angels for BL and I dont think he sells well

[Blindhamster]

3 hours ago, Aramis K said:

All this is reminding me that I've never seen anything on Gulliman actually meeting the Lion since his return, or even reacting to it. Nor on Dante's role after G-man promotes him.

The new Cawl book "Archmagos" seems to be setting up the fact that that event is comin (Guilliman & Lion), so I think it'll be in a book soonish. Dante has had his role covered a bit in both the Lion book and the Darkness in the blood but absolutely deserves more. (I really want Guy to do a 4th blood angel book as honestly I think he's done the best job with them, I absolutely adored the Dante book)

[Karhedron]

2 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

Anyways, back to the 500 Worlds... maybe the Lion will show up again in a repeat of "The Unremembered Empire" lol

 

Lion is stuck in Nihilus and he knows Roboute is alive but not vice-versa as far as we can tell. He knows the state of the Imperium and has probably decided that Nihilus needs his skills as a monster hunter more than he needs a brotherly reunion.

[SvenIronhand]

2 hours ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Bit of a tangent but I think BL has downsized and or is suffering from braindrain

 

It definitely is a old boys' club now.

[TheMawr]

7 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

Lion is stuck in Nihilus and he knows Roboute is alive but not vice-versa as far as we can tell. He knows the state of the Imperium and has probably decided that Nihilus needs his skills as a monster hunter more than he needs a brotherly reunion.

 

Is lion so much "returned" or rather unveiled for the audience ( us ) but otherwise always been operating in the shadows and, from an in universe perspective, not much has changed since his unveiling ? Because, although I haven't read alot about him yet, it seemed to be more like that to me ( not unlike the daemon primarchs I guess ) 

 

Personally, even though I can't explain properly why, it feels unnecessary and forced to me that the two "need to meet" .. it feels stronger to me plotwise if they dont, but yeah its unsupported by reason or argument so kind of a nothing-opinion. 

 

[ZeroWolf]

To be fair, at least he has been reunited with his chapter thanks to the stuff in the Dark Angels Codex (and some snippets in WD if I recall)

[Rusted Boltgun]

23 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

I wish they'd do more pr work like this, maybe make a few skits for preview shows. Imagine if blood bowl season 3 had been heralded by a faux sky sports news report with people dressed like the two blood bowl commentators for example. 

They did something similar (lower budget obvs, just voiceovers) for the previous generation of BB.

The videos were are on WH+ so el Kid and I watched them as the idea of BB really appealed to him.

 

Here's one of them from YT - Linky

 

Unfortunately, we couldn't get to grips with it!

Edited December 1, 2025 by Rusted Boltgun
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[Domhnall]

Just watching Auspex Tactics video and he's making a good arguement that there's hints of possibly of a Word Bearers release? 

The guy in the Word Bearers T-Shirt, 'Mark of Calth' being mentioned (WB vs UM), It would be pretty good if this was the case in that they've got us focusing on one thing, but surprising us with something else! It would certainly make more sense that just a straight up 'Moar Ultramarines' joke, but might also just be a hopeful reach.

 

 

[Orange Knight]

2 hours ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Bit of a tangent but I think BL has downsized and or is suffering from braindrain

 

 

 

Is there any indication or evidence that this is the case?

 

I can believe it, I'm just not sure if this is in fact the reason.

 

And if so, what has caused this?

[ZeroWolf]

18 minutes ago, Domhnall said:

Just watching Auspex Tactics video and he's making a good arguement that there's hints of possibly of a Word Bearers release? 

The guy in the Word Bearers T-Shirt, 'Mark of Calth' being mentioned (WB vs UM), It would be pretty good if this was the case in that they've got us focusing on one thing, but surprising us with something else! It would certainly make more sense that just a straight up 'Moar Ultramarines' joke, but might also just be a hopeful reach.

 

 

On the opposing end of the spectrum though, Valrak has stated there's no whispers of anything word bearers, just Iron Warriors. While obviously not a smoking gun in of itself, the people whispering to valrak have had a good track record so it'd be odd for them to be blindsided

[Lord Marshal]

 

Ultramarines fans won... but at what cost?

 

Edited December 1, 2025 by Lord Marshal

[ZeroWolf]

The video seemed to go quite quickly so I missed a bunch of the bottom text that scrolled past.

[Indy Techwisp]

Whatever the point of these "Protest" videos have been, they're not exactly going to be salvaging any love from the community now on either side of the "debate", since judging by how that 1st day of Grotmas went it seems they blew the entire Christmas budget on whatever this was.

[Gamiel]

We will see where this goes. 

Edited December 1, 2025 by Gamiel

[grailkeeper]

He was seen wearing a Word Bearers T-Shirt in the previous video.

 

This is fake news. 

[Dark Shepherd]

22 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Is there any indication or evidence that this is the case?

 

I can believe it, I'm just not sure if this is in fact the reason.

 

And if so, what has caused this?

Braindrain probably overblown and just Josh Reynolds. Other part though: crime and horror seem abandoned, only 87 titles in stock on the webstore

 

5 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

The video seemed to go quite quickly so I missed a bunch of the bottom text that scrolled past.

 

I think theres a few bits they very deliberately left cut off

[grailkeeper]

[Aramis K]

I wonder if this is warm up to the first non-Ultramarines starter (in quite a while) - a Blood Angels themed box I've heard. And they're wanting to push the point that any Marine can be painted blue.

[TheMawr]

With 3 videos in an almost equal amount of days, I dont think this is about the 25 december reveals to be honest, I think the build-up will have resolution sooner.

 

Probably just 500 worlds hype building ( remember the tarots for Arks of Omen started in december as well, these probably where more costly than this even.), I could see there being more ultramarines though.

 

I could definitely see wordbearers featuring as adversaries in one of the 500 worlds books, rumors seem to be pointing to every other core codex CSM getting some form of attention after all. ( though alpha legion is just the RE and leaked new book cover, but sometimes, though rarely for 40k, BL characters become part of the main range.)

 

Is there any in particular that would match well with wordbearers ? a hypothetical 500 worlds Cassius would be ideal for tyranid adversaries for example.. do UM have any like that for wordbearers ?

 

In-universe I still wonder if the Shadowhunt backstory will have any representation in 500 worlds, or if its just tied to the KT.

[Blindhamster]

I sent an email mail about blood angels to that email address 

[Kenzaburo]

I don't get it. It's a bit of weird marketing to do the first stunt with noch clear goal indicated THEN do sort of a sequel/finish with still noh clear goal. Can't be just for the funsies - stuff like that costs money and (almost) no corp anywhere let's you throw that away without a clear goal. And this can't just be fumbled marketing - again, too much budget riding on this for nothing. But ... you would need to follow this up with some kind of punch line, some kind of release. And not a week later or so. Can't do that in 2025, when attention spans are measured in seconds. 

 

I just don't get it.

[DeadFingers]

Gotta say, this third part has just left more more confused than I already was. Doesn't seem like there's anything "hidden" in it either.

 

Surely three (maybe more) videos of this can't be just for poking some fun at themselves and the community and a handful of rather tame T-shirts?

Edited December 1, 2025 by DeadFingers

[Gamiel]

3 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

RE

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