Legio Custodes Battlegroup Pre-order + New Citadel Painting Handle.

[Blissful Brushes]

Well I will be getting one of these. This is how they should have looked like in the first place rather than whatever the hell the original plastics were which seemed to have the misfortune to be in the middle of that comical design era that brought us the plastic guilliman.

 

 

[Robbienw]

I think i'll probably wait for separate releases to just get the vehicles and possibly the new Venetari.  Still not convinced by the new Custodes infanty models, prefer the look of the current ones, but will reserve final judgement until i've seen them in person.

[Teetengee]

Really want to see a video of the paint handle in use, because it *looks* terrible, but I wonder if there's some trick to it that isn't going to just stress the plastic to snapping in a few months.

[Orange Knight]

Issue I have with this release:

 

We don't know what's happening with 40k Custodes, and I have no interest in the 30k game. I've made an effort to enjoy it and that has no paid off for me personally. In addition to this, my local scene lacks interest in 30k and this has also contributed to my pivot into 40k with my existing Heresy models.
We could wake up tomorrow to find that the 30k Tanks and Dreads are no longer usable in 40k Custodes lists, and suddenly we'll have an odd range of infantry models that don't seem correctly proportioned with each other.

I will not be investing in these models at this time, if ever. 

 

Edited March 16 by W.A.Rorie
Removed political comment

[MARK0SIAN]

I’ll be getting a box for sure, though I am a bit disappointed at the price. Just seems wildly out of line with other HH battleforces. 
 

Do we know if the infantry kit is a dual kit for swords and spears or is it two separate kits? The wording in this article seems to indicate they’re two different kits but I’m hoping they can all be built with spears or vice versa.

[Doobles57]

9 minutes ago, MARK0SIAN said:

I’ll be getting a box for sure, though I am a bit disappointed at the price. Just seems wildly out of line with other HH battleforces. 
 

Do we know if the infantry kit is a dual kit for swords and spears or is it two separate kits? The wording in this article seems to indicate they’re two different kits but I’m hoping they can all be built with spears or vice versa.

 

I think it'll be one of these where the bodies are on one sprue and the weapons on another. So you'll get two lots of bodies and one lot of each weapon option. That's what I'm taking from the wording anyway.

[LSM]

7 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

Well they should finally address directly or otherwise, what is up with 40k custodes as well.

 

 

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

...We don't know what's happening with 40k Custodes...

 

Agree that some clarity would be nice; and the reveal stream's "you can use the models in 40k" did seem more like "to stand in for equivalent existing 40k models" and not "everything's getting a new datasheet!"

 

My gut feeling would be that the Contemptor(s) and gravtank will stay 30k/Legends.

 

Has anyone tried asking WarCom's social media about it? (Not that they'd be able to say definitively, but if pestered they can pass that up and get someone who does know to authorise some info.)

 

 

Edited March 16 by LSM

[Evil Eye]

5 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

We could wake up tomorrow to find that the 30k Tanks and Dreads are no longer usable in 40k Custodes lists

They have rules at present, don't they? If your group wants to use them, just use them; not like GW putting them in Legends is going to make the models disintegrate if you try and play with them.

 

The shift of 40K into a "live service" game was a mistake, but it only affects you if you let it.

[Casual Heresy]

I will be disappointed if the 30k stuff is removed with the coming update GW have alluded to, but I will not be surprised. I personally will not be overly affected as Anything that is dropped will simply be used in 30k as I expand my 40k army into the game system as well.

 

But at the end of the day it is the lovely new sculpts and plastic versions of resin vehicles I've always wanted but never had the coin and resin building skills to justify that I'm really excited for. The new infantry sculpts are a vast improvement over the current ones. I really prefer the shift to a design closer to the collected visions artwork over 'Marine Power Armour + 1'. Based on the pics it does appear the Custodian and Sentinel Guards will shares bodies with separate weapon sprues , which is slightly disappointing as I was hoping for bespoke sprues, and therefore an even greater variety of bare heads. Will just have to settle for the 12 I guess.

 

I love the new Shield-Captain as well and hope her particular loadout will be ported to 40k as well.

[Lord Marshal]

So begin the preview articles, beginning with "why all you Marine players should definitely buy them to be allies, come on you know you want to."

 

Edited March 17 by Lord Marshal

[Irate Khornate]

So they decided to price it like a 40K box instead of a 30k box. That's too expensive for my blood.

 

As for everyone else, don't buy it if you're wanting it strictly for 40k. They rug pulled us once with 30k models and will likely do so again.

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, Irate Khornate said:

So they decided to price it like a 40K box instead of a 30k box. That's too expensive for my blood.

 

As for everyone else, don't buy it if you're wanting it strictly for 40k. They rug pulled us once with 30k models and will likely do so again.

I'm not seeing how it isn't priced like a HH box?

 

Editing to quantify:

- 2 sets of 6 custodes at £47 each based on myrmidon price

- shield captain £27 based on a shield captain

- dread £40, generous guess based off the contemptor, likely more

- tank £58 based off a land raider as a guess

 

Total: £219 (likely a bit lower than reality)

Discount: 25%

 

Is that not standard for HH battleforces?

Edited March 17 by Mogger351

[Irate Khornate]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

snip

I don't deal in pounds, so I'm not used to that pricing. That may be the typical for y'all.

 

Most boxes I've gotten have been at a 40% discount at least. Admittedly I am space Marines and don't pay much attention to admech. 

 

But, that's not my primary point. That's on me for posting that bit first. Primary point is expect the rug pool for those who want to purchase this for 40K. That way you won't be disappointed when it happens and pleasantly surprised if it doesn't.

Edited March 17 by Irate Khornate

[MARK0SIAN]

Stone’s Aegis sounds like it might be a good one but World Serpents bane seems a bit of a miss to me. You’re sacrificing 3 additional attacks (4 if you charged) for a single attack with a max of 3 damage. Doesn’t seem worth it.

[Jukkiz]

3 minutes ago, MARK0SIAN said:

Stone’s Aegis sounds like it might be a good one but World Serpents bane seems a bit of a miss to me. You’re sacrificing 3 additional attacks (4 if you charged) for a single attack with a max of 3 damage. Doesn’t seem worth it.

Hasn´t been "quantity over quality" for couple editions now? 

[Trokair]

5 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

I might be being dense, but what does this actually say.

 

The first part (the +1T) is clear, but the way that the second bit is worded has me confused. 

 

Is it saying that the model can never be wounded on 1 or 2, even with an incoming attack from a weapon that is sufficiently higher strength to normally wound on 2s. If so then the ‘but’ in the rule text (both in bold and in the long form) is confusing as to me it reads you get +1T but there is a drawback, and not being wounded on a 2 is a positive when being faced by high strength weapons.

 

Or is it saying that when this model makes attacks it always fails to wound the enemy on 1 and 2. This feels more like a drawback (if minor) so I do think it is this one but the wording still has me confused.  

[MARK0SIAN]

1 hour ago, Trokair said:

 

I might be being dense, but what does this actually say.

 

The first part (the +1T) is clear, but the way that the second bit is worded has me confused. 

 

Is it saying that the model can never be wounded on 1 or 2, even with an incoming attack from a weapon that is sufficiently higher strength to normally wound on 2s. If so then the ‘but’ in the rule text (both in bold and in the long form) is confusing as to me it reads you get +1T but there is a drawback, and not being wounded on a 2 is a positive when being faced by high strength weapons.

 

Or is it saying that when this model makes attacks it always fails to wound the enemy on 1 and 2. This feels more like a drawback (if minor) so I do think it is this one but the wording still has me confused.  

Yeah it’s badly worded but I’m sure it’s the latter case. The use of the word ‘but’ is what convinced me it’s meant to be a downside but I also had the same confusion as you when I first saw it.  It might not be a major downside if you’re fighting other T5 stuff though.

[Xenith]

1 hour ago, Trokair said:

 

I might be being dense, but what does this actually say.

 

The first part (the +1T) is clear, but the way that the second bit is worded has me confused. 

 

Is it saying that the model can never be wounded on 1 or 2, even with an incoming attack from a weapon that is sufficiently higher strength to normally wound on 2s. If so then the ‘but’ in the rule text (both in bold and in the long form) is confusing as to me it reads you get +1T but there is a drawback, and not being wounded on a 2 is a positive when being faced by high strength weapons.

 

Or is it saying that when this model makes attacks it always fails to wound the enemy on 1 and 2. This feels more like a drawback (if minor) so I do think it is this one but the wording still has me confused.  

 

The second one. You get +1 toughness but a wound check (the model makes) always failed on a 1 or 2. This is just down to the weird language 3.0 uses. 

 

I love these models but £160 is too much. Thanks geopolitics! £120 id get it, but all I really want is the guard to add to my totally loyal alpha legion. 

[Lathe Biosas]

Well, I added my name to the list. With what I have now, it 250 bucks for an almost 1000 point 40k army.

 

Even if they change things around in the future, these custodes are still more beautiful than the old ones.

 

I do wonder if I can convert/update my Blade Champion into one of these models.

[calgar101]

Love the tank, love the dread and love the Custodes troops! I'll get a box or 2 for my growing Custodes force. 

[Mogger351]

43 minutes ago, Xenith said:

 

The second one. You get +1 toughness but a wound check (the model makes) always failed on a 1 or 2. This is just down to the weird language 3.0 uses. 

 

I love these models but £160 is too much. Thanks geopolitics! £120 id get it, but all I really want is the guard to add to my totally loyal alpha legion. 

£120 would be damn near half price though in reality. They would need to take a unit out I think.

[Xenith]

I dunno, the current combat patrol is like £100 and has 10 guardians, blade champion, and 3 terminators. Assuming the termies are the same price point as the dread, you're paying £60 for the tank.

[Mogger351]

3 hours ago, Xenith said:

I dunno, the current combat patrol is like £100 and has 10 guardians, blade champion, and 3 terminators. Assuming the termies are the same price point as the dread, you're paying £60 for the tank.

Whilst a fair point I think that every unit that box is comprised of is going to be cheaper than the new ones.

 

The terminators are already £2 cheaper than the stock contemptor, which in turn is likely going to be cheaper than the custodes dread.

 

The rest of the prices are easily compared to the other HH 40mm base units in boxes of 6 at £47-£50 while the 5 man guard box is £40.

 

People need to strap in for these being more expensive than their 40k counterparts.

[Lord Marshal]

Influencer paint jobs.

 

Some of these are, well, god damn.

 

Edited March 19 by Lord Marshal

[Zoatibix]

Dammit…those look pretty tempting…I am seriously considering trying to get two boxes.