Detachment Combos that look fun and/or more viable now.

[Tawnis]

So, we've finally got the DP released for Space Marines and I've already seen some pretty fun looking things we can do and design spaces things have been placed. 

First Company first  The First Company Task force (2DP) has been pretty underwhelming in 10th, but it looks to be a pretty natural combination with the Librarius Conclave (1DP) Having Access to Terminator Librarians with both Divination and Pyromancy being great here, with the others all being situationally useful. 

Deep Striking in a bunch of Terminators with a Librarian is an easy way to get within the 12" for the extra Pip of AP on Pyromancy for an Ocean of Sustained 1 Storm Bolter shots, and for here specifically Assault Cannons are pretty great too. You can take Fusillade for Anti-Monster/Anti-Vehicle 5+ and score some extra Dev Wounds in there too for larger targets.  Especially into an Oath of Moment target with 2+ to hit and full re-rolls to fish for more Sustained and then the ability to full re-roll the wound roll from 1st company Oath, this will delete a lot of things in shooting alone through sheer weight of dice. 

Once you're stuck in divination's ability to re-roll hit and wound rolls of 1 is great for the big weapons like power fists and Thunder Hammers that a lot of Terminators will be packing, and of Course adding Sustained 1 into that too from the Librarians. It also supports other 1st company units like Sternguard to get more Anti-Infantry Lethals (At least until the combi rules change) and Bladeguard to gain both the hit and save re-roll 1's as well as advance and charge with an enhancement. 

Temporal Corridor gives a second unit extra flexibility too allowing a unit to return to reserve (even if it's in engagement range). Put on a second unit of Terminators, they can bounce around the board freely every turn. 

This will probably be the first non-Kroot list I try out in 11th, both are detachments I wanted to play more in 10th and I love that I can combine them now. I also really like the design space of a 1DP detachment having no strats and extra enhancements instead. 

As for other combinations, I do think Librarius is the best of the 3 1DPs we have so far, and we'll see a lot more Librarians running around. Even in detachments like Vanguard Spearhead, where you might consider doubling up on all the sneaky stuff with Subversion Assets, or bounce around with Fulgris task force, I just don't think they bring the same additive value as Librarius, at least for an infantry heavy force. That being said, all the great Librarius buffs may seem WAY stronger, however, they are tied behind needing to have a Librarian in the squad with is a rather limiting factor, both in points and army composition, so we may see more vehicle heavy lists go in the direction of Fulgris for the flexibility of the Speeders. I don't really see too much use for Subversion Assets yet. 

Overall I'm looking forward to what the other factions have in store and hope that we'll get a bunch more 1DP detachments soon as it does look like currently, there's a pretty obvious combination to choose at least for the general codex chapters when you're building and we want to see. 

 

[jaxom]

Oh Librarian in Gravis Armor, where art thou?

 

I've some thoughts, but not the time to get them typed now.

[Tawnis]

1 hour ago, jaxom said:

Oh Librarian in Gravis Armor, where art thou?

 

I've some thoughts, but not the time to get them typed now.

Anything extra in Gravis would be nice. With all the Lieutenant's they've pumped out over the years, you'd think one of them would learn how to wear Gravis Armour. 

[Malakithe]

Forgefathers + Librarius might be spicy, so to speak.

[Tawnis]

1 hour ago, Malakithe said:

Forgefathers + Librarius might be spicy, so to speak.

That's true too, Pyromancy, of course extra good with Salamanders. +1S / +1Ap to a bunch of flamers seems really strong. Fusillade along with Dev Wounds from Immolation Protocol seems pretty spicy too. You could even all your eggs in one basket it and add an Apothecary to the unit to get the Immolator Enhancement in there as well. In a blob of Infernus, that would be an average of 45 hits, and about 15 Dev wounds into a monster/vehicle if you could deploy them safely... in something like a Drop Pod maybe since they can carry 12 now? (The Librarian also giving them a 4+ Invul makes them pretty hard to shift in general too.) 

 

That's pretty all in, but in general just getting an extra pip of AP on all your infantry flame weapons is going to be pretty good, too bad that as Jaxom pointed out, we don't have a Gravis Librarian, or that would be fantastic with Agressors. 

 

[jaxom]

I’d split it up a bit. I’d stick with Immolator on the character in the Aggressor Squad (b/c no Gravis Librarian). I usually put a Captain there to bring down the price of Immolation Protocols. Then one Librarian in a big Infernus Squad and another  with Fusillade in a Sternguard Squad. 
 

What about Librarius and Vanguard Spearhead? Some Phobos Librarians and maybe an Assault Terminator Squad with Terminator Librarian?