Lord Marshal Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) Snuck into the pre-order article without a prior announcement. Quote Take the fight to confined spaces in tunnels, space stations, and claustrophobic hive cities in the new Journal Tactica: Zone Mortalis. This tome updates rules for tense 1,500-point battles set in confined spaces, with plenty of new missions and some new units to try out in battles between bulkheads. Edited June 21 by Lord Marshal Matcap86 and MoriyaSchism 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 I guess they couldn't announce it until after the MKIV but it's still a little odd. Hopefully we get a preview article through the week. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezron Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 *checks cover* No extra fingers spotted. Lord Marshal, Xenith and derLumpi 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matcap86 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 2 hours ago, Lord Marshal said: Snuck into the pre-order article without a prior announcement. Curious that the MKIV on here does have bonding studs on the leg. We haven't seen that and it was an oft called out critique. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephaston Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 30 minutes ago, Matcap86 said: Curious that the MKIV on here does have bonding studs on the leg. We haven't seen that and it was an oft called out critique. Those are just regular rivets. Bonding studs are bigger. Matcap86 and Xenith 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matcap86 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 1 hour ago, Nephaston said: Those are just regular rivets. Bonding studs are bigger. Ah yeah you're right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneOfTas Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Any guesses what the new units will be? I'm guessing a breacher command squad Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastyfish Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) Curious if it's the old fat wall version that was resurrected for Necromunda or if they'll fully update to a thin wall Gallowdark/Boarding actions style setup. Edited June 22 by Tastyfish GryphonnePromethean 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper.McGuirl Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 7 hours ago, Tastyfish said: Curious if it's the old fat wall version that was resurrected for Necromunda or if they'll fully update to a thin wall Gallowdark/Boarding actions style setup. I hope it’s neither/both. As in, I hope it’s flexible enough for any terrain. I am super pumped this is coming out as a standalone book. In previous editions, I have been primarily a ZM player, so am really looking forward to this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted June 22 Author Share Posted June 22 (edited) 12 hours ago, ThaneOfTas said: Any guesses what the new units will be? I'm guessing a breacher command squad Veteran Despoilers would be thematically appropriate and a decent 'better late than never' addition. Solar Auxilia Pioneers made from putting the Veletarii Storm Axes on to Lasrifle bodies I could see if they want to spread the non-Legiones love. For generic stuff anybody can take, maybe Murder-Servitors and those drones you could take as Stratagems (GASP) in 1e's Zone Mortalis? 8 hours ago, Tastyfish said: Curious if it's the old fat wall version that was resurrected for Necromunda or if they'll fully update to a thin wall Gallowdark/Boarding actions style setup. SGS probably want you buying 'their' kits over 40k/Kill Team, so it'll probably still be the Necromunda walls. Edited June 22 by Lord Marshal SvenIronhand 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farson Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Honestly id hope for a boarding action version of 30k in the 750pt range. I think it would have significant legs and with the new stats it could have some good interactions GryphonnePromethean and Lazarine 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper.McGuirl Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Mr Farson said: Honestly id hope for a boarding action version of 30k in the 750pt range. I think it would have significant legs and with the new stats it could have some good interactions I would have loved that too, but it already says 1500 pt games. It seems like it would be a slam dunk to do a giant book like the Boarding Actions one, but I dare not hope for that. I will be happy if this book is just better than the pdf. That said, the Istvaan journal did have strategems in it the way the Black Book ZM rules did, so maybe those will return. I do hope the missions and rules involve the head stats more and don’t lean into the Line arms race too much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 I mean it may say 1500 pts but honestly everyone is just going to use that as only a guideline. They've done lower point ZM since 1st edition so I wouldn't get hung up over 1.5k points listing. Sure, 750pt games will be weird but the main difference between HH players and 40k players is the willingness to adjust for the purpose of fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted June 24 Author Share Posted June 24 (edited) A pretty in-depth WarCom article on the contents. Quote Much like previous Journals, this one includes new Units, intended to be represented by kitbashes and conversions, that are an opportunity to add a little individual flair to any Army. There’s a new Army List profile for the Zone Mortalis-adapted, heavy flamer-wielding Mechanicum Castellax Infernus Maniple. The Solar Auxilia Army List is supplemented by breaching shotgun and boarding shield breaching Veletaris Raider Sections, with tech support provided by the Auxilia Combat Technician Section. The Legiones Astartes aren't left out, and gain profiles for both Veteran Despoiler Squads and Veteran Breacher Squads. Edited June 24 by Lord Marshal Hfran Morkai, RolandTHTG, skylerboodie and 1 other 2 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephaston Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 I love the "Unit (Veteran)" approach, so these will slot in nicely whenever i get around to actually building my 30k army. Lord Marshal 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farson Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Truly 2.0 with the content schedule of 3.0 would be a goat edition 01RTB01 and GryphonnePromethean 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khulu Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 57 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said: A pretty in-depth WarCom article on the contents. This is confusing. We already have Veteran Breachers. Are they different somehow? SalamandersBro 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trokair Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Quote here’s a new Army List profile for the Zone Mortalis-adapted, heavy flamer-wielding Mechanicum Castellax Infernus Maniple. Heavy flamer as shoulder weapon instead of Mauler Cannon, or as fist weapons instead of normal bolter or flamer? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted June 24 Author Share Posted June 24 12 minutes ago, Khulu said: This is confusing. We already have Veteran Breachers. Are they different somehow? This makes them part of the 'Core' army lists instead of Legacies. Functionally it probably makes zero difference to 99% of people, though - especially since they'll probably not lose options due to still being a convert-it-yourself unit. Khulu 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 I think a Breacher Command Squad would have been a better choice for those wanting to go all in Breacher wise. Interested to see the options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khulu Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 6 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said: This makes them part of the 'Core' army lists instead of Legacies. Functionally it probably makes zero difference to 99% of people, though - especially since they'll probably not lose options due to still being a convert-it-yourself unit. Ah, thanks. I forgot it even was Legacies. I have yet to meet a player locally who cares about that distinction so I wasn't considering it. Lord Marshal and Trokair 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezron Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 30 minutes ago, Khulu said: This is confusing. We already have Veteran Breachers. Are they different somehow? besides pulling them out of Legacies, GW might update the unit in some way, like rules, stats, wargear, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJedi Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 2 hours ago, Trokair said: Heavy flamer as shoulder weapon instead of Mauler Cannon, or as fist weapons instead of normal bolter or flamer? Surely shoulder mounted, maybe from the vehicle hatch sprue. Or Sponsons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6176956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper.McGuirl Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 I’m not gonna lie, I am unreasonably amped about this now. Ways to make vanguard as well as control units valuable? Special tables for arguing with computers? Random events? Blips? New units and detachments? Siiiiggnnnn meee uuppp! SalamandersBro 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6177035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Someone got their hands on the book early, so here's the new unit pages. Lord Marshal and SalamandersBro 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388125-journal-tactica-zone-mortalis/#findComment-6177092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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