Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago I dont watch the pre-stream quizzes so I missed this, but GW has officially said that Dorn and jahgatai are dead. https://youtu.be/XNz5Uhh6XGM?is=jwrlXqGlYN8Mh1c1 NorthernUltramarines and Xenith 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix01 Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago In the grim darkness of the far future, is death really the end? Inquisitor_Lensoven 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Longinus Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago Good. Next kill Lion and Guilliman. Lord Marshal, Dezron, Lexington and 3 others 2 1 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix01 Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said: Good. Next kill Lion and Guilliman. And Magnus, Mortarion, Angron, and Fulgrim, too! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernUltramarines Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago Pre-stream quizzes might not be the place for official GW lore to be announced, so I’ll take it with a grain of salt. Don’t think we’ll be getting any new loyalist Primarchs soon though, although Perty looks like he’s on his way within the next few years! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago They will be dead until GW needs a boost in their stocks value. Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroWolf Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago I have a feeling that it was in reference to a joke GW made at the live Q & A session a month or so ago and is tongue in cheek. Only Primarchs that won't see 40k releases are the confirmed dead ones from the HH series Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said: I dont watch the pre-stream quizzes so I missed this, but GW has officially said that Dorn and jahgatai are dead. https://youtu.be/XNz5Uhh6XGM?is=jwrlXqGlYN8Mh1c1 I mean Dorn is, until they retcon it. Doghouse 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroWolf Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Scribe said: I mean Dorn is, until they retcon it. But they did retcon it...some 25 years ago. Went from finding his body to just finding his fist, hence why GW will give him a bionic hand holding the Emperor's lighting claw when they release him as a figure for 15th edition in 2038 Mechanicus Tech-Support and Paturabo 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago Yeah this is just stream stuff from the last one and not really confirmed lore other than a few quick comments. I personally think that Loyalist Primarchs should have remained mysterious Greek God style heroes of yester year. If they are going to release models for them I'd rather they did 30k plastics. I think Dorn may have been the first one in real world chronological order to have been mentioned as dead in the Ian Watson Space Marine novel back in '93 but it was both fists that were all that was left of him not just the one. "In transparent stasis-cases within, with magnilenses inset, hung Rogal Dorn’s fleshless fists, entire, scrimshandered with intricately wrought tiny miniatures of heraldic honours." ZeroWolf, Crimson Longinus, BadgersinHills and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechanicus Tech-Support Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago (edited) *you know what nevermind* Edited 21 hours ago by Mechanicus Tech-Support Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago Well, well, well. Looks like, after years of arguing Dorn was dead I get to feel the sweet, sweet vindication. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago Dorn is dead?! DORN-NOUGHT CONFIRMED! HE SHALL RETURN IRONCLAD AND READY TO CRUSH THE ENEMIES OF THE IMPERIUM! EVEN IN DEATH HE SHALL SERVE! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago This is very clearly a tongue in cheek joke. darkhorse0607, Doghouse, ZeroWolf and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago OP, I implore you to stop taking things so literally. Karhedron, Dezron and Joe 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted 15 hours ago Author Share Posted 15 hours ago Yall are just haters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 3 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said: Yall are just haters. Only of bad lore, retcons, and grimdark deniers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Laertes Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 12 hours ago, ZeroWolf said: But they did retcon it...some 25 years ago. Went from finding his body to just finding his fist, hence why GW will give him a bionic hand holding the Emperor's lighting claw when they release him as a figure for 15th edition in 2038 Also, if I remember correctly, in the War of the Beast series, Vulkan explicitly says (or at least strognly implies) that Dorn is still alive. ZeroWolf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago (edited) 43 minutes ago, Grand Master Laertes said: Also, if I remember correctly, in the War of the Beast series, Vulkan explicitly says (or at least strognly implies) that Dorn is still alive. It could be a mistake on Vulkan's part. Dorn was the last loyalist Primarch still active by several centuries and Vulkan had been MIA himself for several centuries before tha War of the Beast. It could be that he had not heard of Dorn's death/disappearance yet. Edited 8 hours ago by Karhedron Inquisitor_Lensoven 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago "Dorn is dead" is from Ian Watson's Space Marine (IIRC), which was written pre-Black Library, and without GWs input, (essentially fanfiction at the time). Although GW has since published the book themselves, I (and many others) do not take it as canon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago (edited) Officially, Dorn is dead. Unofficially he is MIA. The problem with this is the same for the Khan and Russ. If they are still alive, why have they not attempted to return to the Imperium in its hour of need? Guilliman and Johnson both had locked in sleep/stasis stories meaning that it required an outside agency to revive them. The missing Primarchs require a bit more storytelling effort to explain why they would return now and not X centuries ago. I think that we will likely see all the surviving Primarchs return in due course because they are huge money makers and GW are too savy to leave that cash in their customers' wallets. However they have made it clear that they don't plan to rush them. Also my expectation that we would be seeing Russ soon has ebbed since we got Logan on a primarch-sized base with a pair of Wolves and a tactical rock that brings him up to Primarch-size. He clearly looks like our Primarch stand-in for the next couple of editions. Edited 8 hours ago by Karhedron NorthernUltramarines, Antarius and Dezron 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix01 Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago Remember, the Emperor said he could fix the headless regicide piece (Ferrus Manus) "when he had the time." Considering that, and the fact that the Emperor is "active" again, anything is on the table now. My only hope is that they do it in a way that is both in keeping with lore and awesome. Not "he woke up in a strange forest." Also, a rule that "your army must be x points in size before you can add the primarch/special character" like back before 5th edition would be nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xirix Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Guilliman was locked away/asleep? I thought he was dead and they had to get the Eldar in to revive him. (I'm very behind on my lore to be said) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted 4 hours ago Author Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, Xirix said: Guilliman was locked away/asleep? I thought he was dead and they had to get the Eldar in to revive him. (I'm very behind on my lore to be said) Iirc he was on the brink of death and placed into stasis Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Something something genies, something something not going back inside Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388178-dorn-and-khan-dead/#findComment-6177745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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