40K July update

[Karhedron]

Various tidy-ups as well as rolling 10th edition errata into 11th edition (which I feel should have been in the core rules but never mind).

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/rgqanids/warhammer-40000-july-update-what-you-need-to-know/

[Indy Techwisp]

Nice to see they've done what I predicted they would and used the terrain layouts as another avenue for balancing.

 

Also nice to see that they're not shying away from jostling the Detachment points.

Imperial Agents got a fairly big shake-up in that department and a couple of potential feels bad issues with Ork Detachment combos have been nipped in the bud (Greentide is strong enough without infinite recursion Boyz).

 

The changes to disposition are an angle I hadn't actually considered for balancing, but it makes sense.

Too much of the list building so far was just "Find Purge ASAP". Now it's less easy to just wedge it in there (not that Purge is actually that strong tbh, a lot of stuff with it isn't set up well to use it and the changes of disposition here reflect that).

[Lord Marshal]

Combat Patrol's also been updated apparently.

 

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There have of course been many more Combat Patrol sets released over the years. There is support on the way for these too, though for this launch, the app will initially focus on supporting the core Combat Patrol offer. 

 

[irlLordy]

11 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

Combat Patrol's also been updated apparently.

 

 

 

Eh, theres been a few updates to fix incorrect data in the combat patrol datasheets, but it doesn't look like you can actually play Combat Patrol using the app. Theres no way to select the detachments in war journal, or see the missions in the app yet.

Edited yesterday at 12:08 PM by irlLordy

[Indy Techwisp]

Should note for fairness that Chaos seems to have been hit exceptionally hard here, with almost everything circling around the Defilers specifically.

 

Also TSons now has 3 3dp detachments 'cause Hexwarp Thrallband was apparently just too good if you could add anything to it and it looks like next balance patch we're gonna get 4 of them because the people running Defiler+Tzaangbot lists have already started reconfiguring to run the exact same list as Warpforged+Cohort.

 

Ritual of Regeneration is now dead in a ditch because none of the remaining 2dp Detachments can use it well and Servants of Change is hanging on by a thread because it's barely usable in the Daemon Detachment.

 

I didn't mention any of this in the last post because like a lot of TSons players I looked at Phalanx being 3dp and already knew I wasn't getting to touch the Detachment points mechanic until the codex launched.

SoTs and regular Sorcs going up as a result of Defiler/Tzaangbot list nerfs is annoying, but Rubricae Phalanx is still the best way to run a Dust army and Grand Covern is still unbeaten for Magnus & Friends.

 

Edit: Regarding Purge.

Warpmeld is now our only Purge option and that's annoyed people because Purge is apparently OP.

However note that all "3" Rubricae focused Detachments are now Take and Hold (Hexwarp counts here, 30 SoTs was a core part of Hexwarp lists).

GW clearly think that Dusty lists want Take and Hold and that seems to be correct in practice.

Edited yesterday at 12:39 PM by Indy Techwisp

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Should note for fairness that Chaos seems to have been hit exceptionally hard here

That's an understatement of the century. Chosen going up because of Masters Of The Maelstrom existing is stupid.

[Karhedron]

Librarians getting a points hike because Librarius Conclave is good is really irritating.

[Lathe Biosas]

Looks like they brought back the super lonely dedicated transports are suicidal rules...

 

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Dedicated transports like Rhinos, Devilfish and Chimeras now, as in the previous edition, must start the game with a unit embarked within them.

 

[Indy Techwisp]

28 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

Librarians getting a points hike because Librarius Conclave is good is really irritating.

 

Libbys got a points hike, Sternguard got a points hike and the one Enhancement that was used in the combo got changed entirely meaning the point hikes were unnecessary because the broken combination no longer exists.

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Annoyingly, the dedicated transport change (well, return to the previous rules) and the change to -1 BS and to hit stacking aren't in any of the GW PDF documents (at least that I can see) - presumably they are in the app, but as a non-app user that means I basically have to guess at what the exact wording is (or, for the stacking change, what the actual rules change is).  Can someone with the app post the text for how the non-stacking of penalties rule works?

 

Chaos knights seems to have gotten a few slight buffs - 2 of the wardogs are 5 points cheaper (Huntsman and Stalker) and the Ruinator's guns got a fair bit better in an effort to have people actually field them (both its guns went from 2d6 shots to 1d6+6 - so, on average, 2.5 more shots per gun).

 

370 points for your second chaos space marine defiler with 2x las or reapers seems... excessive.

Edited 22 hours ago by Dr_Ruminahui

[Rusted Boltgun]

4 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

Combat Patrol's also been updated apparently.

 

 

 

 

Maybe they said too much, too soon.

[Focslain]

6 minutes ago, Rusted Boltgun said:

 

 

Maybe they said too much, too soon.

That is my guess since the change to the war journal weren't in this morning's update.

 

At least its good to see that they do in fact plan to bring the older CPs back. 

[jaxom]

I am dumb and cannot find the points changes.

[Vardus]

All the points are here now:

 

https://mfm.warhammer-community.com/en

[Ahzek451]

22 minutes ago, jaxom said:

I am dumb and cannot find the points changes.

Naw, I did the same thing. Took me awhile.  It's a thin black strip of a link below MISCELLANEOUS.  

[01RTB01]

I understand that defilers were overtuned but as per usual it feels that they've been killed off almost entirely. (The usual overreaction from the 'balance' team.)

 

I'd rather they toned down the datasheet, made them less knight like, drop the points and let us field them. It was nice having ranged support for emperor's children but now it's cost prohibitive to run 2 in 2000 points. 

Edited 21 hours ago by 01RTB01

[Ahzek451]

Give it a few months to a year, GW will eventually pull back something to make the defiler appealing again, especially it still being a new popular kit. As is there MO. My thing is,  this jerking around in power/points/rules shouldn't be an issue in the first place. 

[01RTB01]

It's frustrating because it's a stunning mini but at the moment, there's zero point me getting a second - not that they've been in stock over here since they dropped and immediately went out of stock. 

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Karhedron said:

Librarians getting a points hike because Librarius Conclave is good is really irritating.

They're just worth the 60 points in Librarius as is. GW is falling back to the habit of "hit everything".

[redmapa]

Really odd that Inceptors went to 3 models per squad max for non vanilla chapters.. I can't even imagine what that's supposed to mean..

[Scribe]

37 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

I understand that defilers were overtuned but as per usual it feels that they've been killed off almost entirely. (The usual overreaction from the 'balance' team.)

 

I'd rather they toned down the datasheet, made them less knight like, drop the points and let us field them. It was nice having ranged support for emperor's children but now it's cost prohibitive to run 2 in 2000 points. 

 

So typical, so gross.

 

How long has 11th been out? I know everyone is tired of hearing it, but GW rules/balance is a disaster, and the fact it's just a live beta (because 10th wasn't good enough?) is negligence at this point.

[Orange Knight]

Every Ultramarine unit and character has been nerfed... just as I start to collect them lol

I wouldn't get too hung up on anything yet as we don't have any 11th edition codex books...

[Blindhamster]

59 minutes ago, redmapa said:

Really odd that Inceptors went to 3 models per squad max for non vanilla chapters.. I can't even imagine what that's supposed to mean..

wha??

 

just checked the app and that still allows 6 (even after updating the app)

Edited 20 hours ago by Blindhamster

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Black Templars no longer have a unit cost for 6-man units on their Munitorum page, and while I haven't checked, I've heard the same goes for some of the other Chapters (not Blood Angels, though, they still have the 6 model points).

 

My guess is that it was removed by mistake, which was then copy-pasted to the other data sheets.  That said, at this point there's really no way of proving whether the change was intentional or not.

Edited 19 hours ago by Dr_Ruminahui

[Scribe]

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

Every Ultramarine unit and character has been nerfed... just as I start to collect them lol

I wouldn't get too hung up on anything yet as we don't have any 11th edition codex books...

 

I wouldn't get too attached to anything,  it's all going to change every quarter or whatever anyway.