Joe Posted Tuesday at 06:28 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:28 PM Admittedly, a somewhat shrinking market at present - a lot of the older lead belt companies are starting to shut down (age of staff, operational costs, etc), and it'll only get worse in the future. That's going to harm a lot of particularly niche subject areas and ranges, as well as quite a few non-niche ones. Digital will cover some of what's being lost, but not to the same degree. Gripping Beast announcing it's shutting down after thirty years, for examples - after it'd previously absorbed a few other companies' ranges. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Eye Posted Tuesday at 06:36 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:36 PM 51 minutes ago, Lexington said: Look, I'm in my 40's and literate and therefore find the whole "YouTuber" thing bewildering and sort of offensive, but it's hard not to hear "40K feels like homework now" and not feel at least a little bit of sympathy. For certain, and if it were anyone but him I'd be supportive. Just, you know. Two-timing =][=CENSORED=][=. 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted Tuesday at 06:41 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:41 PM 12 minutes ago, Joe said: Admittedly, a somewhat shrinking market at present - a lot of the older lead belt companies are starting to shut down (age of staff, operational costs, etc), and it'll only get worse in the future. That's going to harm a lot of particularly niche subject areas and ranges, as well as quite a few non-niche ones. Digital will cover some of what's being lost, but not to the same degree. Gripping Beast announcing it's shutting down after thirty years, for examples - after it'd previously absorbed a few other companies' ranges. so GW will be able Buy up more space for production in Nottingham? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted Tuesday at 06:53 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:53 PM 11 minutes ago, Evil Eye said: For certain, and if it were anyone but him I'd be supportive... 'Deer Mister, Sir, I act for a Necromundan Prince, His Most Archmagnificency Baldrukk McRippoff....and he is very tired of warhammer too...please send your bank details and a location where he can send a box full of Juan Diaz Daemonettes.' Your friend, Senator Ian McGuffin, Solicitor at large. 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted Tuesday at 06:55 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:55 PM 2 hours ago, Joe said: Funniest bit is that for someone that spends her time producing drama-bait content, she's far more invested in in Warhammer than she publicly lets on; she bought a Golden Ticket at Warhammer Fest 2023. I spotted her regularly in the front rows, as well as disappearing off into the back room. Many such cases. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkhorse0607 Posted Tuesday at 06:59 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:59 PM All this reinforces for me is that one of the best decisions I've made is to hit the "do not recommend channel" button on Youtube for these people (Midwinter after the Bolt Action video, Discourse, Outer Circle, etc) I forgot this guy even existed 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted Tuesday at 07:04 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:04 PM Did discourse quit too? That would finally be a bit of good news in the hobby space. 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted Tuesday at 07:09 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:09 PM (edited) 14 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said: Did discourse quit too? That would finally be a bit of good news in the hobby space. Probably makes way too much easy money from 'GW just KILLED 40k' and 'WARHAMMER is DONE' thumbnails to ever need to quit. Not like her audience will seemingly ever get bored of hearing it, no matter how many times it doesn't happen. Can't even blame her for milking that gravy train. Outer Circle did quit though, which admittedly I can't blame him for either when his channel hasn't really grown at all despite doing the same bit as Discourse for longer. Never ask a dramatuber why they don't just go play a non-GW game from a company they actually like. Edited Tuesday at 07:19 PM by Lord Marshal 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Eye Posted Tuesday at 07:33 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:33 PM 20 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said: Never ask a dramatuber why they don't just go play a non-GW game from a company they actually like. Or even- SHOCK- play an older edition if they really want to stick to GW rules. Don't have to worry about a balance patch or next round of power creep for an edition from 20 years ago! 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grailkeeper Posted Tuesday at 07:52 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:52 PM I wonder what it would take for Discourse minis to release a video called something like "GAMES WORKSHOPS LATEST MOVE is actually pretty good" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted Tuesday at 07:56 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:56 PM 3 minutes ago, grailkeeper said: I wonder what it would take for Discourse minis to release a video called something like "GAMES WORKSHOPS LATEST MOVE is actually pretty good" Probably cash would do it. She’s quite poor and always begging for handouts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grailkeeper Posted Tuesday at 08:18 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:18 PM 22 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said: Probably cash would do it. She’s quite poor and always begging for handouts. Dont mistake begging for handouts on the internet with being poor. Some people have no shame. 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitnam Posted Tuesday at 08:24 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:24 PM 1 hour ago, Lord Marshal said: Outer Circle did quit though, which admittedly I can't blame him for either when his channel hasn't really grown at all despite doing the same bit as Discourse for longer. Outer Circle is kind of a shame, as he had some solid Heresy content when I really cared about that setting (like 6 years ago), but his opinions about 40k and AoS (and their fans) were pretty distateful. I distinctly remember him crapping on Paragon Warriors and arguing that those that like them deserve bad miniatures. As a Nundam fan that seemed kinda harsh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted Tuesday at 08:32 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:32 PM I really enjoyed his gritty and realistic 3D design work meant to stand up to the modern Heresy Slop kits evil GW makes. Especially the tank he designed with four turrets directly over the tracks that would prevent the main weapon from traversing. 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted Tuesday at 08:41 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:41 PM 15 minutes ago, sitnam said: Outer Circle is kind of a shame, as he had some solid Heresy content when I really cared about that setting (like 6 years ago), but his opinions about 40k and AoS (and their fans) were pretty distateful. I distinctly remember him crapping on Paragon Warriors and arguing that those that like them deserve bad miniatures. As a Nundam fan that seemed kinda harsh Firsthand through a few mutual circles that had to handle the fallout for moderation purposes, TOC (specifically, Cat rather than Macca) was behind the harassment of ciara.elvenblood (of Broadsword Wargaming) which led to her being dropped from GWs content creator program post-Heresy Open Day in 2022 for her own safety. They've never apologised for that one. Admittedly, and @Lord Marshal will remember this, the meat man video just popped into my head... 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted Tuesday at 08:48 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:48 PM 6 minutes ago, Joe said: Firsthand through a few mutual circles that had to handle the fallout for moderation purposes, TOC (specifically, Cat rather than Macca) was behind the harassment of ciara.elvenblood (of Broadsword Wargaming) which led to her being dropped from GWs content creator program post-Heresy Open Day in 2022 for her own safety. They've never apologised for that one. Admittedly, and @Lord Marshal will remember this, the meat man video just popped into my head... Who the hell is cat Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsondave Posted Tuesday at 08:51 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:51 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, darkhorse0607 said: All this reinforces for me is that one of the best decisions I've made is to hit the "do not recommend channel" button on Youtube for these people (Midwinter after the Bolt Action video, Discourse, Outer Circle, etc) I forgot this guy even existed Couldn't agree more. I NEVER see that anymore. Discourse started the process for me. Being from the southern US, I'm sure my accent could grate on people's nerves, but fingernails on a chalkboard are more pleasant to me than hearing her pronounce "Games Workshop." Edited Tuesday at 09:04 PM by Dr_Ruminahui Removed swear dodge Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lathe Biosas Posted Tuesday at 08:53 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:53 PM Huh. Just spent 30 minutes riding the YouTube algorithm wave... and... are these guys for real? Besides wanting to give them a Paxil and a hug, are they all doomsayers? Is this what passes for entertainment these days? Sheesh, I'm feeling more like that EarthForce guard on Mars (from Babylon 5) more every day... “I don’t watch TV. It’s a cultural wasteland filled with inappropriate metaphors and an unrealistic portrayal of life created by the liberal media elite.” 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted Tuesday at 09:00 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:00 PM 10 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said: Who the hell is cat Cat (Kat?) is (or was) one of Macca's collaborators with TOC, and was broadly responsible for managing the social media side. He spent a stretch of 2022 harassing women in the community, and is afaik banned from most of the various Warhammer-related Discord's and sub-Reddit's now. Not a normal person by any stretch. 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted Tuesday at 09:18 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:18 PM 17 minutes ago, Joe said: Cat (Kat?) is (or was) one of Macca's collaborators with TOC, and was broadly responsible for managing the social media side. He spent a stretch of 2022 harassing women in the community, and is afaik banned from most of the various Warhammer-related Discord's and sub-Reddit's now. Not a normal person by any stretch. Absolutely shocked I tell you 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentOne Posted Tuesday at 11:23 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:23 PM Never really followed 40k Youtubers and didn't watch the video... But this ed has killed my interest for the time being. Unlike dude, I can't tell you in two words exactly why: No Crusade. If it still existed, I'd be stoked about Exodites and eagerly awaiting decent releases for Drukhari and Grey Knights. And honestly? When and if those things come out, it may pull me back. I got a kick out of Necromunda RP, and might end up going in for that, but so far, that's as much interest as I can muster. 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted Wednesday at 12:17 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:17 AM These drama farming doomtubers are, without a doubt, the worst thing to happen to any hobby. Followed by anyone who uses AI generated thumbnails. Seriously, they damage the hobby so much. Their reach is much further than I think even they understand. It's one thing that people who have been in the hobby for more than one edition have opinions, even if I disagree with said opinions, but I am seeing new players enter into the hobby space with opinions on games (not just from GW) that are fundamentally wrong. The most upsetting thing is that if I try to suggest that statements like "too much homework" maybe, possibly are not correct and are parroting these infernal drama farmers who either have only played for less than a few years or have no skin in the game at all gets met with "shut up shill". I left a local club because the president loudly announced nobody should listen to me because I am a "frothing fanboy" for the audacity to suggest that at the time Tyranids weren't unplayable only his hyper specific niche list was no longer viable and to ask if he had tried a different playstyle. When I hear someone isn't enjoying the hobby my first thought isn't "I hate you". It is "let me help you find your enjoyment again." If I cannot do that and you genuinely want to leave the hobby then I'd rather have tried to help then not at all. However...it's not an airport terminal. Don't be a drama farmer and announce your departure. Sincerely, the frothing shill. 1 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted Wednesday at 12:20 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:20 AM At one point Guy suggest fatigue might be the right way to describe how he feels about 40K (the game, not the setting), and I think this resonates with me. Like may people, Armageddon *should've* been a slam dunk, and the Orks were, but the Marines were just "ehh, more marines". Don't get me wrong I like the Marines, but they didn't give the kick like 9tth an 10th boxes did. 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrans Posted Wednesday at 12:37 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:37 AM 3 hours ago, Joe said: Cat (Kat?) is (or was) one of Macca's collaborators with TOC, and was broadly responsible for managing the social media side. He spent a stretch of 2022 harassing women in the community, and is afaik banned from most of the various Warhammer-related Discord's and sub-Reddit's now. Not a normal person by any stretch. I've met Cat a few times down and around the Aus heresy events. Dude is crazier than a :cuss:house rat. Generally ignoring him or telling him to ah 'kindly go make love to yourself'* works. *slightly edited to not offend the anti-swearing servitors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptekon Posted Wednesday at 02:20 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:20 AM I'm over 40 and I live on youtube. I don't have tv though so it takes the place of that. A lot of channels are reforging right now across the board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388586-midwinter-minis-done-with-40k-ish/page/3/#findComment-6189759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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