40k September & Marine Stats Update

[Lord Marshal]

Faction packs are now updated. Death Guard didn't get any tougher though ;( 

 

Munitorum Field Manual

 

WarCom article.

 

 

 

Edited 19 hours ago by Lord Marshal

[redmapa]

Well my Black Templar list went up like 110pts and Sword Brethren didnt just lose the edge that Marshalls gave them but also went up significantly in points..

 

Rough times to be a crusading man..

[Mogger351]

Chaos really did get the spikey end of that stick, that's horrid all round really. Also love that a +1 to S/T on a base mini is largely worth 1pt.

 

Also: :cuss: gives with the storm bolter on the imperial chimera being worse than the rhino in agents?

Edited 19 hours ago by Mogger351

[Lord Marshal]

26 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Also: gives with the storm bolter on the imperial chimera being worse than the rhino in agents?

 

They probably just forgot Agents exist as usual and didn't change it. 

[Indy Techwisp]

My TSons list just went up 200pts and they didn't even improve our Psychic Attacks.

[Mogger351]

6 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

My TSons list just went up 200pts and they didn't even improve our Psychic Attacks.

I feel sorry for tsons, explaining to a buddy that they're technically not worse, just their niche has been eroded as they went from "same as a chaos marine but +2ap to same as a chaos marine but +1ap". Nothing technically bad per se, just... nothing good?

[Orange Knight]

16 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

My TSons list just went up 200pts and they didn't even improve our Psychic Attacks.

 

At least they got the toughness boost across the board.

But I agree.


I think a lot of armies will be waiting on their codex to get a proper rules pass.

[Indy Techwisp]

5 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I feel sorry for tsons, explaining to a buddy that they're technically not worse, just their niche has been eroded as they went from "same as a chaos marine but +2ap to same as a chaos marine but +1ap". Nothing technically bad per se, just... nothing good?

 

Khopeshes didn't increase, Warpflamers didn't increase, magic didn't increase, 10 SoTs cost nearly the same as Magnus the Red, we've become about 1 pip less effective across the board and went up by about 12.5%.

 

We did have some new Force Dispositions added for our Three 3DP Detachments but to be frank people were doing fine with the original ones we had.

[Indy Techwisp]

4 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

At least they got the toughness boost across the board.

But I agree.


I think a lot of armies will be waiting on their codex to get a proper rules pass.

 

The Toughness increase helps but I'm now looking at my list and realising I'm being out deployed by Knights.

 

Edit:

They also Stealth-nerfed Overwatch/Snap Shooting.

You can't get Crits while Snap Shooting now, so Lethal Hits OW is dead and since none of our Flamer-type weapons increased in Strength we've kinda lost the Shooty CSM Overwatch nich as well.

Edited 18 hours ago by Indy Techwisp

[Marshal Loss]

3W Noise Marines are cool and feel appropriate for their size and chonk, but Sonic Blasters staying S5 when all of the game's bolt weaponry went up and their main targets gained toughness doesn't feel good at all. Combined with the points increase I think they've taken a pretty hefty hit. 

[Indy Techwisp]

Oh yeah, the DW teams in Imperial Agents didn't get the Toughness/Strength increase but did go up in points.

[Knightsword]

Are Faction Packs being added for DA, SW and BA later? They've been removed and only Legends packs remain 

[jaxom]

2 minutes ago, Knightsword said:

Are Faction Packs being added for DA, SW and BA later? They've been removed and only Legends packs remain 

I think they're getting released on Saturday when the new Space Marine codex comes out.

[Mogger351]

8 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

3W Noise Marines are cool and feel appropriate for their size and chonk, but Sonic Blasters staying S5 when all of the game's bolt weaponry went up and their main targets gained toughness doesn't feel good at all. Combined with the points increase I think they've taken a pretty hefty hit. 

Sadly this is what making a marine tougher looks like though. Same reason bladeguard aren't S6. If they put your marine takling weapons up as well, then there'd be no point.

[Orange Knight]

So... I can confirm that the last Marine list I used in 10th has gone up by 215 points. I used a good varierty of units.

The army will be around 10% smaller.

[Mogger351]

8 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

So... I can confirm that the last Marine list I used in 10th has gone up by 215 points. I used a good varierty of units.

The army will be around 10% smaller.

I saw somewhere someone did the maths for the whole book and it's about 8% total. More interestingly is the chaos points, where GW values +1S and +1T to 1 point per model looking at chosen etc.

[Sete]

Wheres my neophyte bolters GW?

[Mogger351]

Tabletop Tactics did an overview video on the changes, in their opinion the changes for chaos/grey knight was a bit bare minimum effort and they will not keep pace with loyalist marines. They also state that xenos/other 10th ed forces will not keep pace with chaos either. They shout out Knights as in particular being in a really bad place as a result.
 

 

[Blindhamster]

all of my lists went up around 10% so aligns with what has been talked about. Interestingly my friends salamander list overall went DOWN in points :P I think his vehicles dropped a bit basically. 

Also, annoying that post update, I cant actually build a list till saturday now :P

[RolandTHTG]

About what I expected. I think EC Tormentors/Infractors should have gotten the phobos changes (T4 but M8) instead of going to T5. Would be more in theme. 

[Crimson Longinus]

So the same bloody weapons (bolters/heavy bolters, multi-meltas etc) were not updated for other Imperial armies? What the hell?! Really unfortunate for the Sisters in particular, and just annoyingly inconsistent in general. 

[Mogger351]

2 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said:

So the same bloody weapons (bolters/heavy bolters, multi-meltas etc) were not updated for other Imperial armies? What the hell?! Really unfortunate for the Sisters in particular, and just annoyingly inconsistent in general. 

Like I mentioned above with IA, they didn't keep it consistent inside the same army, never mind across multiple.

[Subtleknife]

 The main SM codex looks great. If the other supplements are like BT, then they seem a tad phoned in. I feel very sorry for anyone who runs Sword Bros they have been butchered.

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Subtleknife

[Orange Knight]

29 minutes ago, Subtleknife said:

 The main SM codex looks great. If the other supplements are like BT, then they seem a tad phoned in. I feel very sorry for anyone who runs Sword Bros they have been butchered.

 

 

I keep saying, all Marines should be under one Codex (Split in 2; Generic Units and Chapter Specific units) so they all get proper codex updates at the same time.

[redmapa]

1 minute ago, Orange Knight said:

 

I keep saying, all Marines should be under one Codex (Split in 2; Generic Units and Chapter Specific units) so they all get proper codex updates at the same time.

 

I mean thats exactly the sort of treatment that they have now, wether the update comes in a single book or split into supplements doesnt really change the fact that there are winners and losers and right now the winners are Space Wolves and Dark Angels while Black Templars and Blood Angels get thrown into the gutter. The rules being updated at the same time like they are now is not changing that.