Modelling: Doghouse pattern "Gothic Marines"

[Doghouse]

You're more than welcome mate. :(

 

Always glad to help out a fellow Frater.

[Marovingean]

Lol, what does the Frater Domus mean?

 

M

[mario]

Lol, what does the Frater Domus mean?

 

M

It's a fancy way of saying 'community member'. I think (but I am not sure about this part) someone said that it's either real Latin on the GW version of Latin ('High Gothic' or however it's called) and mean something like ' Brother of the house/household'.

[fumble]

"Domos" is a latin word of greek origin.

 

It means "The Home", but also relates to everyday life and everyday objects.

 

"Domestic" comes from it, as does "domotics", which is (roughly) about home implements (used to be automatic gates, vacuum cleaners and food processors, now geared towards home automation and wi-fi).

 

"Domus" is probably high gothic, as Mario explains it.

 

I'd say that Frater Domus is that place in which the Brother Marines gather and talk about everyday stuff. It almost sounds like a lodge <_< :tu: ^_^

 

In any case, kudos to the mods for coming up with it.

[Marovingean]

Okay, thanks :teehee:

 

M

[Chaptermaster Graymantle]

Domus actually means a place of gathering.

[Doomed Dice Thrower]

After watching this great tutorial for some time, I finally decided to try it myself.

 

I am a total beginner with green stuff, and I found working with it harder than at first expected.

My results can't really be compared to the efforts of the others, but for my first run I'm quite happy with it.

 

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g118/DoomedDiceThrower/Games%20Workshop/Gothic%20IW/DSCI0001.jpg

 

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g118/DoomedDiceThrower/Games%20Workshop/Gothic%20IW/DSCI0004.jpg

 

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g118/DoomedDiceThrower/Games%20Workshop/Gothic%20IW/DSCI0007.jpg

 

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g118/DoomedDiceThrower/Games%20Workshop/Gothic%20IW/DSCI0008.jpg

 

Can anybody tell me if it's a good idea to try to carefully sandpaper/ file the Green Stuff once it's dry, to get the surfaces more smooth?

 

Anyhow, thank you a lot Doghouse, this thread is most inspiring!

 

Edit: This is to be an Iron Warrior. Doghouse, referring to your Iron Warriors from page 3, the one on the left, could you tell me how you painted

the yellow on his striped shin? It looks pretty smooth and dark, adding greatly to the gloomy overall appeareance!

[Zaku]

Thank you so much for this Tut, great idea I instantly realised for a Chaos Marine Commander...

 

http://www.dragonlordgames.de/orkbilder/ghostdogmarine.JPG

 

Sorry for bad picturequality, my camera is crappy and i don´t got good photo-equip yet...

 

Zaku

[Jofus]

I love how this conversion looks. One day I will have to buy a box or two of CWs and do this to add to my IW army. Has anyone tried this with a metal SM or CSM body, like from the Legion or Iron Hand squad boxes? If so does it turn out just as good? I think I will leave some with the leather boots, like some of the other CSM pics here have done but too many like that and the look of being power armor would be lost to me. I would post pics soon but for all I know it might take me a year to get around to doing this :P

[ursidae]

Great job Doghouse. I'm going to create a GK company (Only army smal enough to prevent army ADD from kicking in half way through) with your ideas. One question though, do you find that the regular marine arms fit the theme properly, or do they need extending? Thanks again for such a great idea.

[CarbonBased]

Can anybody tell me if it's a good idea to try to carefully sandpaper/ file the Green Stuff once it's dry, to get the surfaces more smooth?

 

I have pretty good luck sanding GS with 2000 grit sandpaper. But it's so fine it doesn't take much off as far as ridging or ripples. I have yet to try 1000 grit for that. Someone posted about using vegetable oil on your tools while sculpting the GS and this has been a revelation for me. My GS starts off much smoother now that it's not sticking to my tools.

 

PS I couldn't find 2000 grit sandpaper anywhere outside an automotive parts store, YMMV.

[rory evans]

doghouse can i post this on the librarium?

[rory evans]

would this do:

[img; background-image:url(http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/hq2.gif); background-repeat: no-repeat; background-position: 8px 2px; padding: 12px 8px 12px 8px; border: 1px solid #DDD; margin-left: 0 auto; text-align: left; color: #fff; text-indent:50px; font-size:130%; width:50%;">http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/DSC01991_00.jpg[/img]

2.

Next you need to level the top of the legs so that the torso doesn't appear too stretched. To do this you need to carefully slice the top off the legs as far as the top of the belt. On the belt itself you have the buckle and the belt strap in the center of this, you need to cut the top so it is level with the top of the belt strap as seen here.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/DSC01992_00.jpg

3.

Next you carefully slice the strap off the belt buckle on the front.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/DSC01994_00.jpg

4.

Wrap a sausage of GS around the base of the trimmed down CW boot.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Doghouse12/DSC01476_00.jpg

5.

Next you carefully shave the tops of the boots down so they are level with the ankle.

Using your sculpting tool flatten the sides of the GS to form the sides of the shoe working the GS upwards.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Doghouse12/DSC01477_00.jpg

6.

Fold the GS over the top of the shoe and smooth out using the sculpting tool. You need to make sure that you have a film of water on the surface of the tool for the best results or alternatively use Vasalene. Make you that it's a thin film though so as not to swamp the areas you're working on.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Doghouse12/DSC01478_00.jpg

7.

Now you do the same to form the heel of the boot, blob of GS and smooth it out to form the heel.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Doghouse12/DSC01479_00.jpg

8.

A GS sausage is added to roughly form the bottom edge of the greave all the way around the boot.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Doghouse12/DSC01484_00.jpg

9.

Flatten out the bottom edge of the GS greave pushing the GS towards the leg. Once you're happy that you have a flat edge then smooth the sides of the greave out.Now you can wait till this is dry before moving on or just continue at this stage.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Doghouse12/DSC01485_00.jpg

10.

Finally add a blob of GS and flatten it out to fill the gap above the rim we just created create the bulk of the greave.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Doghouse12/DSC01487_00.jpg

11.

Next the torso is stuck directly to the top of the Chaos warrior legs. I've used the Forge World MkIV torso here but it's basically the same as the plastic torso. You may have to cut a nick out of the belt buckle on the leg to get a better fit.Once the torso is stuck in place you begin to fill the gap with GS.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/DSC01995_00.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/DSC01996_00.jpg

12.

For the rear armoured plate you add a small piece of GS and shape it into a square. If you are feeling adventurous you can also add ribbing to the backs of the knees.

To do this add a small sausage of GS to the back of the knee and flatten it out. You then press the scultping tool into the GS horizontally twice creating three raised ribs as seen here.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/NightLords9.jpg

13.

Once that's dry you can add the edges of the leg armour by placing a GS sauage above the ribbing and blend into the armour of the leg.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/NightLords8.jpg

14.

If you have the bolter arms in place the belt area won't be visable.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/nIGHTlORDS7.jpg

15.

However if you have the torso exposed then you will need to do a little work to cover the joint between belt and torso like I have done here with GS, grenades and pouches.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/NightLordsCaptain3.jpg

16.

Finish construction, base and paint. With marine for size comparison.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Doghouse12/DAScale.jpg

[Doghouse]

Brilliant, I'm glad this tutorial is still of use to people. :teehee:

 

rorey evans: Yeah, sure. :)

 

Doomed Dice Thrower: Excellent GS work mate. The trick to GS smoothness is to get it smooth before it dries. Take some vaseline and apply a thin film to the end of your sculpting tool. Once the GS is in place work the tool around in small circles to smooth the surface.

Failing that I take a sharp knife and scrape the blade across the surface. The blade is held vertically like you are going to cut the model in two then carefully make brushing motions across the area you need to smooth.

 

Zaku: You're welcome mate, excellent conversion as well. I really like the use of the upgrade sprue chainmail torso, nicely done. :)

 

+++EDIT+++: I just realised this thread is now a year old and people are still posting!

Thanks for keeping it alive and I look forward to seeing more of your great Gothic conversions.. :)

[AkiraCho]

for what ever reason after you put the into "epic" legs they seem cuter to me for some reason. but with the chaos legs it jsut doesnt seem right to have them doing anything but carry a gun across their chest, how do you deal with HQs and stuff who arnt holding weapons up frnt? and how about heavy weapons?

[SpudWhitman]

AkiraCho, do you mean that when the Chaos Warrior legs are used all the marines appear to be marching in stride, and as such would look more cohesive when carrying bolters or special weapons? There have been examples of HQ types with powerfists or close combat weapons shown in this thread, and I think they look just great.

[Gillyfish]

I don't know if anyone's interested, but this is how my Doghouse style marine sergenat is panning out after a lick of paint:

 

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o126/Gi...10/P1010088.jpg

 

I don't want to hijack the thread, but I thought you might like to see him!

 

He's not done yet, but is getting there.

[Ekkanus]

loving how you painted that mini! this is a cool idea - iv got a lot of chaos warriors collecting dust, i might use this for my space marine chapter. Great tutorial Doghouse!

[Doghouse]

AkiraCho: There are a couple of techniques you can use to make HQ and heavy weapon marines.

 

This captain is an example of how to use GS to alter the FW torso for these guys but you could use any of the GW torsos to similar effect.

 

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/NightLordsCaptain3.jpg

 

These Death Guard are another way of altering the torso with GS.

 

 

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Doghouse12/DSC01231_00.jpg

 

And here are a couple of different ways of using the Black Templar torsos to similar effect.

 

 

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Doghouse12/Picture024.jpg

 

 

Heavy weapons are too bad to use as they often obscure the abdomen anyway.

 

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/NightLordsDevastators.jpg

 

 

Gillyfish: Excellent work mate! He's looking really nice.

Don't worry about highjacking the thread as I'm all for people posting their versions of the gothic style marines here. :)

[Gillyfish]

Thanks Doghouse and Ekkanus for the kind comments. I'll definitely be doing a few more at some point, but completing the marine has given me enough confidence (foolhardiness?) to use GS on Belial conversion. Still in the middle of doing him so I don't know how he'll turn out!

 

But to anyone who's nervous about using GS (I know I was) I'd say that it isn't actually that hard (so far) - just remember to use vaseline on your sculpting tool and you'll find it much easier. Oh, and take your time!

[NovaReaper]

Hey, sorry to resurrect an old thread/tutorial, but this is exactly what I needed, and is what I'll be using to make a couple of Starcraft themed marines, the concept art I posted in another thread. *posts image anyway*

 

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p263/NovaReaper_2006/SpaceMarinesunknown2.jpg

As you can see, the boots/greaves/legs in general look extremely similar, but the torso will need a bit of GSing. Thanks for the inspiration Doghouse!

[3vilX]

heh, that guy overcompensating just a little, huh? :P

on a more serious note... nice artwork

[Growlf]

hmmm... looks simple enough, my greenstuff skill is about this level so i will give it a try then.

 

also cool tutorial doghouse.

[BrotherDamascus]

my thanks go to Doghouse for this awsome conversion - ive seen a few attempts at making the Warhammer chaos into marines and this is AWSOME

 

id also like to thank everyone else who posted thier minis and artwork - u've all inspired me *sniff*

 

i might try something similar for my upcoming Chaos Chosen, but thats in the future

 

thanks again,

<<BrotherDamascus>>

[NemFX]

I've been working on a couple. I'll post pictures before christmas because at this rate, that's how long it'll take.