Collaborative Chapter Creation Project II

[Zhivago]

I think Archangelus hit the spot here. Marines would try to hamper the tyranid assault. As self-sacrificial as WB are wanted to be, they might charge one strike cruises adminst the tyranid fleet 'go go down guns blazing, as to atone the sin that they are not able to save the world.'

 

And leave some other ship to perform exterminatus... I have image that even fregate with torpedoes could perform exterminatus, assuming it is correctly armed ? (i.e. cyclonic torpedoes)

[Henimann]

First off, I'd like to say that Im impressed with what you guys have so far. I remember following the Castellans project and I think you guys did an excellent job with that, and are doing the same for developing the War Bearers.

 

I personally like the "aura" of the chapter so far. Pragmatic, realistic, soldier-y. I myself had always wanted to do a more grunt-ish style DIY chapter, and I must say that what you guys have so far is great. Kudos to that!

 

 

The demeanor and "why we fight" beliefs of the War Bearers that you guys have developed reminds me of how the Space Marines are portrayed in the Horus Heresy series - fighting not because of their faith, but because they have to, and styling themselves not as "monks with guns" but as the soldiers who succeed in battle where others fail. The fighting style you guys have written up is alot like the Luna Wolves in False Gods - the opening battle in that book is a perfect description of what you guys have as of now.

 

Basically, Id say pursue this idea. Im personally sick of "holier-than-thou" Space Marines - just give me a bunch of gene-enhanced soldiers that are good at killing things. ;)

[Heru]

If a world was under Tyrannid assault, wouldn't the SM mostly engage the hive fleet in space, in order to gain time for the ground forces to evacuate as many people as possible? And then nuke the planet ;)

 

Nope that's the Imperial Navy's job.

 

Space Marines most likely in the evac situation would make it their job to hit the areas where the Tyranids were overwhelming the defenders positions.

 

 

I think Archangelus hit the spot here. Marines would try to hamper the tyranid assault. As self-sacrificial as WB are wanted to be, they might charge one strike cruises adminst the tyranid fleet 'go go down guns blazing, as to atone the sin that they are not able to save the world.

 

Sin = religious term...

Edited July 15, 2006 by Heru Talon

[Rogue Trader]

If a world was under Tyrannid assault, wouldn't the SM mostly engage the hive fleet in space, in order to gain time for the ground forces to evacuate as many people as possible? And then nuke the planet ;)

 

Nope that's the Imperial Navy's job.

 

Space Marines most likely in the evac situation would make it their job to hit the areas where the Tyranids were overwhelming the defenders positions.

Actually, that's not at all true - there is a long history of Marine Chapters carrying out boarding actions on Tyranid vessels in space, as far back as the 'nids have been around. :o

[Archangelus]

That's exactly what I meant! But obviously I did not phrase it right...

 

Back on topic:

 

It seems to be a division between "ruthless" and "protectors".

 

We could go in the middle ground. Pragmatic and realistic does not necessarily mean ruthless. You may understand wht would be the most effective solution and still not choose it. If there is no other way, you may still do it but feel remorse about it.

 

A Marine Malevolent would not even understand where the problem is with sacrificing a few civilians.

A Space Wolf would care about the same civilians and would not hesitate to try another course of action that might not be as effective.

A War Bearer could be somewhere in the middle. Evaluating all options and choosing the most effective. If this means that the said civilians would be killed, he would still do it but with a heavy heart. War is war after all. And in war people die.

 

There is always a middle ground, or even a spectrum. And is always more challenging to create an interesting character based on the middle than based on extremes. Personally I would like them to be a bit darker, but this is just personal taste.

Edited July 15, 2006 by Archangelus

[Zhivago]

I think Archangelus hit the spot here. Marines would try to hamper the tyranid assault. As self-sacrificial as WB are wanted to be, they might charge one strike cruises adminst the tyranid fleet 'go go down guns blazing, as to atone the sin that they are not able to save the world.

 

Sin = religious term...

I'm aware... I'm also aware of board policy but... even in that imaginary world they have consept of sin (as they have concept of religion in form of emperor worship), and I was referring to that. Nothing of this world. (I should have written sin against humanity/emperor prehaps ?)

 

But since no moderator jumped at me I assume that I have not s... done anything wrong. :)

 

A Marine Malevolent would not even understand where the problem is with sacrificing a few civilians.

A Space Wolf would care about the same civilians and would not hesitate to try another course of action that might not be as effective.

A War Bearer could be somewhere in the middle. Evaluating all options and choosing the most effective. If this means that the said civilians would be killed, he would still do it but with a heavy heart. War is war after all. And in war people die.

 

Evolution in process.

 

As side note, I dunno if you agree but I see WB taking their job with 'seriousnes'. Surely are marines are serious, but I don't see Space Wolf like attitude of knocking down some orks/nids/mutants and then going home for beer. Theese guys are doing their job, and while they take pride in it, they don't boast.

 

 

EDIT: quotes refused to work. They still do :/

 

Mod edit: fixed that for ya :) RT

Edited July 15, 2006 by Rogue Trader

[Heru]

I'm aware... I'm also aware of board policy but... even in that imaginary world they have consept of sin (as they have concept of religion in form of emperor worship), and I was referring to that. Nothing of this world. (I should have written sin against humanity/emperor prehaps ?)

 

But since no moderator jumped at me I assume that I have not s... done anything wrong. :)

 

No that's not what I was pointing out...

 

I was pointing out that using the word "sin" alongside the War Bearers goes back to the Warrior Monk/Crusading Knight thing, rather than the more soldier attitude in which the situation you described wouldn't be linked to any kind of sin (if the War Bearers are going to throw a Strike Cruiser at a Tyranid fleet, it isn't going to be some heroic effort of self sacrifice, more likely using the Soldier attitude it would only ever been done if there was some tactical advantage to doing so).

 

 

 

On a similar note I think War Bearers could be the kind of Space Marine that retreats earlier than the rest (while everyone is playing the fanatic hero card and fighting on against hopeless odds, the War Bearers are considering the tactical advantages of falling back, perhaps regrouping etc).

[Keyoz Devastrius]

Today I couldn

[Commissar Molotov]

...but that’s Molotov’s job and he will find the right words :)

Well, thanks for the confidence. :) After a slight lull in the thread, I think it's time to collate the latest round of ideas in order to stimulate discussion.

 

What We Know:

- Ultramarines Successors

- Normally Codex-Adherent

- Well-Equipped

- They fight because it is their duty, it is the role they were created for.

- Many of the typical religious overtones are subdued.

 

- Combat Doctrine is styled like an axe - A situtation leads to (relatively, by marine standards) slow and measured approach whereby a carefully considered plan is drawn up, then the 'axe' 'falls' and the Chapter strikes decisively and quickly, leading to the total destruction of the enemy.

 

- Their belief system styles them as the 'bearers' of war. They 'bear' the brunt of war, they suffer the hardships so that the civilians of the Imperium may continue unmolested. They do not arbitrarily kill Civilians without good reason. Wherever possible they act to safeguard civilians. The Imperium is the Emperor - by protecting the Imperium they protect the Emperor?

 

- There is less focus on individual heroism, rather more on the goal itself. Perhaps greater focus on synergy?

 

What Should be discussed next:

 

- Why/How is the Chapter Well-Equipped? [Does the chapter need to be 'well equipped?] (AM Links?/High Lords?/Inquisition?/Favours Owed? Honour Debts? How does this affect the chapter?)

 

- Founding - How old is the chapter?

 

- Homeworld/Homeworlds/Fleet-based? If Homeworld, detail culture, environment, etc.

 

- Induction and selection of marines?

 

They could also recruit differently than other Chapters. Perhaps using some form of boot camp, any who don't cut the grade for becoming Space Marines could be induced into some form of supporting Guard unit that works alongside them in their operations.

 

Cadia-esque fortress worlds, leading to heavily grounded, militarised people? Consider Alpha Legion-esque squad-based induction, focusing on comraderie and team-work rather than individual heroism.

 

-> Does this pragmatic/non-religious viewpoint cause friction with other chapters? How do they view other chapters? How do the Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy and the High Lords view them?

 

 

---- I'm interested to see what you guys can come up with next. You're doing some really good work. :)

Edited July 16, 2006 by Commissar Molotov

[Darrell]

- Well-Equipped

 

Why do they need to be well-equipped? I think that making them "well-equipped" takes them away from being the more down-to-earth soldier types being imagined. It takes them out of the trenches and into the labs, so to speak. I think that leaving them more Codex and "bare bones" would enhance the image of the Chapter more, letting their actions and tactics speak for them instead of dumping AM and Inquisitor gear on them. A Chapter doesn't need ancient plasma technology to be great, and indeed not having that sort of technology makes them more appealing to me.

 

I think the idea of making them focused more on teamwork than individual bravery/acts/death is a good one. This makes them different from a lot of Chapters that suffer a "DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR!" mentality and a lot of Marine lives tend to get wasted. If this Chapter is fighting for people and is very militarised in their thinking, they'll be wanting to avoid needlessly throwing away lives, especially if they're not particularly religious. Perhaps they don't even think of the Primarchs or Emperor as gods, they just think of them all as damn good tatcticians and all that nonsense about them killing 100 Dark Eldar with their bare hands is a bunch of bologna.

 

With that mentality, Roboute would be an excellent source of geneseed. His greatness came from his attitude, tactics, and leadership...not his ability to lift a Kraken or anything crazy. This would be a good reason why they choose to see him as a supremely gifted man (Most Chapters view the Emperor this way), the same for the Emperor. They can still revere their Primarchs and Emperor, but it is for much different reasons.

 

This may also have the effect of avoiding suspicion from the Inquisition by avoiding Primarch worship, which tends to be what gets Chapters funny looks in the first place. So while it won't earn them any Inquisitorial support, it might get them off the suspicion hook (Or at least knocked down a whole lot of rungs on the ladder).

[Commissar Molotov]

Well, I'd agree with you on that, Darrell. (But you knew that already :)). I think the 'well-equipped' card acts as a 'hook' that might distract from the other unique 'hooks' that'll differentiate and distinguish the War Bearers as a characterful chapter. So, that's why I added the orange text in my post above. Do the War Bearers need to be 'well-equipped'? I'm not sure that they need extensive links and friendships with the Adeptus Mechanicus, necessarily. However, if we take the angle that they fight and die to ensure the well-being and health of the Imperium, keeping the forge-worlds ticking over and supplying the Imperium would be of primary importance to the War Bearers. I can see the chapter perhaps having a greater situational awareness than some chapters; an awareness of the role they play in a greater Imperium. They're a cog in a machine - but they know exactly what difference they make.

[Grimdarkness]

- Why/How is the Chapter Well-Equipped? [Does the chapter need to be 'well equipped?](AM Links?/High Lords?/Inquisition?/Favours Owed? Honour Debts? How does this affect the chapter?)

 

- Founding - How old is the chapter?

 

- Homeworld/Homeworlds/Fleet-based? If Homeworld, detail culture, environment, etc.

 

- Induction and selection of marines?

 

 

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They could also recruit differently than other Chapters. Perhaps using some form of boot camp, any who don't cut the grade for becoming Space Marines could be induced into some form of supporting Guard unit that works alongside them in their operations.

 

 

Cadia-esque fortress worlds, leading to heavily grounded, militarised people? Consider Alpha Legion-esque squad-based induction, focusing on camaraderie and team-work rather than individual heroism.

 

-> Does this pragmatic/non-religious viewpoint cause friction with other chapters? How do they view other chapters? How do the Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy and the High Lords view them?

 

 

---- I'm interested to see what you guys can come up with next. You're doing some really good work.

 

 

1 I would think a codex chapter would have at least one of every thing at there disposal

 

2 I'd go about 15 to 17 gives them 4 to 1 thousand years to form a background

 

3 I'd like to see a home system to work in all the Slavic feel if possible

 

4 I'll have to think on it

 

5 I'd think it rub some of the more set chapter's wrong there lack of proper respect for there primarch and the emp. Since the ecclesiarchy has trouble with the Marines now i see no reason to add to problem. If the chapter are a work like get the job done chapter i don't see the inquisition having a problem with em nor the high lord's.

Edited July 17, 2006 by Grimdarkness

[Zhivago]

- Why/How is the Chapter Well-Equipped? [Does the chapter need to be 'well equipped?](AM Links?/High Lords?/Inquisition?/Favours Owed? Honour Debts? How does this affect the chapter?)

 

I don't think that they are THAT well equiped. They jusy happen to have codex adherent toold for every job. If they have varied equipment, it is due the fact that they want to be ready for all, not because they have galatic uncles. On reason to explain the special(ized) whirlwind is that prehaps the forge world that supplies WB is manufacturing them in great numbers (i.e. manufacturing them to entire subsector)

 

- Founding - How old is the chapter?

Not too young, not too old, along the lines of 14-18

 

- Homeworld/Homeworlds/Fleet-based? If Homeworld, detail culture, environment, etc.

 

I think the slavic idea was good, so now it is up to board members of said cultural region to pour ideas. :blink:

Slavic names have ben discussed. Prehpas their homeworld is NOT hive, nor death world. prehaps soemthing as 'developing world' or having technology of roughly 15th century. Prehaps the land is divided to 'clans' who herd, mine and farm their lands. Make inter-war common, meaning that young boys must prove their manlynes in war. -> Potential for recruits.

 

Said clans thn use resources for living. I don't like idea of super fauna or wild tribes around these 'clans'... and 'clan' is just working name.

 

People and the emperor. Emperor helps a man who helps himself. Such attitude would do no harm among the clansmen. There is ought to be imperial cult of somekind on the world, prehaps quite pragmatic.

 

- Induction and selection of marines?

Each batch of new recruits is small ? So they combine them to one squad. (Clan rivals ending in same squad)

So that they must work out their diffirences or die/fail.

 

After they have been deemed worthy of joining, they are delegated to positions suiting to them.

 

 

-> Does this pragmatic/non-religious viewpoint cause friction with other chapters? How do they view other chapters? How do the Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy and the High Lords view them?

 

As noted in earlier post by Grimdarkness, I don't think that High Lords or Inquisition (other than hereticus) having too much problems with chapter being not so 'holy knight'

 

The ecclesiarchy might not like it very much though and this leads to qustion, whether the chapter has access to rosarius and thus chaplains ? I'd say that they have chaplains and rosaries. They might not be on best of terms with big E, but then again, most chapters are not. WB are doing His work among stars, and while their methods might not be pleasant, they are not TOO heretic to cause stirr.

 

Hereticus though probably checks the chapter bit more often that other chapters, but no side makes fuss of this ?

[Darrell]

I'd like to add that very, very few Space Marine Chapters are "holy knights". Most of them do not worship the Emperor, which is why Chapters and the Ecclesiarchy do not usually get along very well. Not revering the Emperor is something the Inquisition is used to, and the War Bearers doing this for whatever reason is something the Ecclesiarchy will not suddenly be enraged about.

 

Now, another reason the Ecclesiarchy does not like Space Marines is not only do they not worship the Emperor, they instead worship their Primarchs. This is what makes them angry; this is what makes them point at Chapters and scream "HERESY!".

 

I think making them revere the Emperor and Primarchs, but worship neither, makes the Chapter very unique (I don't remember hearing this idea before, which granted may be for a good reason), and I don't think it would cause problems. Not worshipping their Primarch would actually be a relief to the Ecclesiarchy, as the War Bearers would roughly only be half as heretical as other Chapters. Now, other Space Marines may not like them very much, but that just gives them more of a "gritty" feel, being alone in the field and having to rely even MORE on tactics.

 

I think no Chaplains/Rosarius is going too extreme. As I said, other Chapters do not worship the Emperor, yet the Ecclesiarchy gives them all a Rosarius as a symbol of the connection between them. Heck, they even give a rosarius to Wolf Priests, and Space Wolves HATE the Inquisition. If the Ecclesiarchy isn't willing to trust a Chapter with a rosarius, chances are they're about to get hit with an Exterminatus.

 

I, personally, like the idea of them revering the Emperor and Primarchs for their tactical prowess, and not divinity.

[Hrvat]

I will get to slavic background later when I have more time. But instead of using 'clans' we could devide them into families.

[Commissar Molotov]

It does depend what you mean with the 'Slavic feel'. It's quite easy for us to take any type of homeworld and give the marines Slavic names. I personally wouldn't want to slavishly (ha, ha :ph34r:) make some sort of eastern-European peasant world.

 

I do, however, really like the idea that 'the Emperor helps those who help themselves'. It's a nice twist, and it encourages hard work through adversity. I can see the homeworld breeding dour, serious individuals, which would likely convey into the War Bearers.

 

What I'm thinking is that the War Bearers recruit from a fortress world, something quite similar to Cadia. We nearly always hear of chapters recruiting from feral worlds, rather than more civilised, urban worlds. A more civilised world would perhaps provide us with a more 'realistic', 'pragmatic' approach. It provides us with a world of harsh extremes, where people are inducted into a military lifestyle very early on, and quickly become proficient soldiers. This fortress world is a bastion, and that perhaps ties in with the idea of defending the innocents from the tide of evil crashing against the shores of righteousness. There's the possibility that those who fail to meet the stringent entry requirements of the War Bearers are inducted instead into the planet's Imperial Guard. If we wanted we could consider representing these Guardsmen with Inducted Storm Troopers from the Inquisition Codices.

 

When it comes to the induction of recruits, I was considering that those who are accepted and enter the selection tests are bound as groups; they have to use teamwork to overcome the tests, and succeed or fail as a group. This actually takes ideas from two sources - the Alpha Legion's attempts to enforce comraderie, and how the Space Wolves' packs are together from their induction all the way to old age as Long Fangs. Even if the groups are split up and assigned around the chapter once they've passed all the tests, it still instils serious bonds that will remain for a long time.

 

What do people think?

[Keyoz Devastrius]

Zhivago:

15th century is still middle ages - armies not only in Slavic countries but all around Europe (see Joanna d'Arc ) were composed of knights and peasant ,and only black powder weapons used were cannons. It’s definitely to early if we want to fight the knightly theme.

 

Commissar Molotov:

I was think about something like this- urban (or fortress) world on the frontier of Imperium , ruled by noble families. Highly militarized as every family has its own army and is in constant war with other families for resources and governorship over planet. They fight against themselves in times of peace but when someone is attacking their planet they will co-operate to fight the common enemy. (Based on 17th century Poland.)

 

I really like the teamwork and bonding of recruits.

Edited July 17, 2006 by Keyoz Devastrius

[Commissar Molotov]

I'm not so sure if I like the idea of the warring families. There are some planets in the 40k universe that don't have total war raging on their surface! (Plus, I'd like our homeworld to be at least fairly original) If you were to look at a planet like Necromunda, the largest battles are economic and political. I just think that if we're looking for a chapter that rises above petty factional in-fighting in the Imperium, it might be better if their homeworld is focused on defending the local area - and then that carries over into the War Bearers.

 

Some of the greatest chapters in the Imperium recruit from peaceful planets (The Ultramarines, for example). We don't need war on the surface of the planet.

[Keyoz Devastrius]

How about this:

No real war - only some political and economic fights of noble families, as killing each other would weaken the planets defenses - pragmatism :blush:

 

Every male child in age of 8 is send to military academy where he stays until he’s 16. In military academy all boys are treated equally - it creates a bond between recruits. Also there marines are choosing potential initiates. After graduating military academy the best of young nobles are send to officers academy where they stay another 5 years. There they learn not only about tactics and strategy but also about politics, economy, law and history. Then they can come back home to handle family business, but as every male on the planet they are still soldiers and can be called to arms in every moment.

 

Maybe WB initiates don’t leave the academy before graduating and start their training with other marines after graduation?

Edited July 17, 2006 by Keyoz Devastrius

[Grimdarkness]

When it comes to the induction of recruits, I was considering that those who are accepted and enter the selection tests are bound as groups; they have to use teamwork to overcome the tests, and succeed or fail as a group. This actually takes ideas from two sources - the Alpha Legion's attempts to enforce camaraderie, and how the Space Wolves' packs are together from their induction all the way to old age as Long Fangs. Even if the groups are split up and assigned around the chapter once they've passed all the tests, it still instills serious bonds that will remain for a long time.

 

This sounds somewhat like the methods used by the French forging legion to better bond there disparate recruits closer together it also breeds a feel of legion first me second iirc. It works as the legion are some of the best line solders in the world.

 

For the WB it sounds great you don't even have to have the rival families in the same squads since the WS and SW have that going for them but a similar training and indoctrination would bring all the war bearers together as a chapter.

 

Note to self preview post before posting :lol:

Edited July 17, 2006 by Grimdarkness

[Zhivago]

Maybe WB initiates don’t leave the academy before graduating and start their training with other marines after graduation?

Quite impossible. :lol: The organs need to be implanted at certain age. ie 10-12 year old. And I assume mental doctronication begins about same time. So it wouldn't be that viable. In addition they would be likly to cause commodition in the academy. "Oh so you got chose to be marine, take this!"

-> fight -> reduced comradeship and potential losses of non-marine traineees.

 

So the school might have sort of 'war games'. Harsh, but ideally non-lethal. Of theese games WB would choose their new recruits. Probably chaplain wathing over exercise. It would be tremendous honour for the family to have one of their sons accepted to marines, even if he were thus forever lost.

 

It does depend what you mean with the 'Slavic feel'. It's quite easy for us to take any type of homeworld and give the marines Slavic names. I personally wouldn't want to slavishly (ha, ha rolleyes.gif) make some sort of eastern-European peasant world.

 

Well, if you have fortress world, you get huge amount of regiments. And you need something valuable to defened. Immediate question would be, was the chapter founded to strengthen defenses ? And why they are allowed to sail away to do their work ? Theese were supposed to be guys carrying the war on imprium. And that won't be easy of they sit on some planet waiting for something to happen.

 

The point on having no war on surface is viable though.

 

Every male child in age of 8 is send to military academy where he stays until he’s 16. In military academy all boys are treated equally - it creates a bond between recruits. Also there marines are choosing potential initiates. After graduating military academy the best of young nobles are send to officers academy where they stay another 5 years. There they learn not only about tactics and strategy but also about politics, economy, law and history. Then they can come back home to handle family business, but as every male on the planet they are still soldiers and can be called to arms in every moment.

 

Bit like ultramar, but why not. Planet that is proud of it's military history. Prehaps they even send regiments to serve in imperial guard. It is this 'cadia' thing that I don't like, see reasoning above.

 

EDIT: My sentences should be understandable now.

Edited July 17, 2006 by Zhivago

[Archangelus]

How about an agri-world with some cities that was at some point attacked by "X". The local populace rallied and fought back with such resolve and steadfast courage, along with the pitifully outnumbered PDF. The war was harsh and the farmers had to use all their ingenuity (?) and resources to hold the enemy back. They were not only fighting for survival but they also felt the need/duty to protect what the Emperor has placed in their care when they first settled it.

 

When the Ultramarines came to the rescue and mopped up the enemy forces, they were impressed by the "farmers-turned-warriors". Because the relevant subsector became under the direct threat of "X" it was decided to found an Astartes Chapter in the area. The then Ultramarine Chapter Master "Y" suggested that a suitable homeworld was "Z" (our nice little planet). Thus the War Bearers were born.

 

Maybe the world has some really dangerous areas/continents that are ideal for training.

 

What do you think?

[Heru]

What I'm thinking is that the War Bearers recruit from a fortress world, something quite similar to Cadia. We nearly always hear of chapters recruiting from feral worlds, rather than more civilised, urban worlds. A more civilised world would perhaps provide us with a more 'realistic', 'pragmatic' approach. It provides us with a world of harsh extremes, where people are inducted into a military lifestyle very early on, and quickly become proficient soldiers. This fortress world is a bastion, and that perhaps ties in with the idea of defending the innocents from the tide of evil crashing against the shores of righteousness. There's the possibility that those who fail to meet the stringent entry requirements of the War Bearers are inducted instead into the planet's Imperial Guard. If we wanted we could consider representing these Guardsmen with Inducted Storm Troopers from the Inquisition Codices.

 

When it comes to the induction of recruits, I was considering that those who are accepted and enter the selection tests are bound as groups; they have to use teamwork to overcome the tests, and succeed or fail as a group. This actually takes ideas from two sources - the Alpha Legion's attempts to enforce comraderie, and how the Space Wolves' packs are together from their induction all the way to old age as Long Fangs. Even if the groups are split up and assigned around the chapter once they've passed all the tests, it still instils serious bonds that will remain for a long time.

 

What do people think?

 

 

That was exactly the idea I was going for when I suggested recruiting by boot camp!

 

The Storm Troopers idea is genius Commissar Molotov :D

 

 

 

Well, if you have fortress world, you get huge amount of regiments. And you need something valuable to defened. Immediate question would be, was the chapter founded to strengthen defenses ? And why they are allowed to sail away to do their work ? Theese were supposed to be guys carrying the war on imprium. And that won't be easy of they sit on some planet waiting for something to happen.

Perhaps the Chapter during founding chose the world for it's military training regime. Now seeing as the world also makes Imperial Guard regiments means that it is a very well guarded Fortress World that can still do it's job guarding whatever, even with the War Bearers off kicking butt.

 

 

 

How about an agri-world with some cities that was at some point attacked by "X". The local populace rallied and fought back with such resolve and steadfast courage, along with the pitifully outnumbered PDF. The war was harsh and the farmers had to use all their ingenuity (?) and resources to hold the enemy back. They were not only fighting for survival but they also felt the need/duty to protect what the Emperor has placed in their care when they first settled it.

 

When the Ultramarines came to the rescue and mopped up the enemy forces, they were impressed by the "farmers-turned-warriors". Because the relevant subsector became under the direct threat of "X" it was decided to found an Astartes Chapter in the area. The then Ultramarine Chapter Master "Y" suggested that a suitable homeworld was "Z" (our nice little planet). Thus the War Bearers were born.

 

Maybe the world has some really dangerous areas/continents that are ideal for training.

 

What do you think?

 

 

Remember Soldiers, not Heroes. Farmers becoming warriors and fighting with courage is back on the hero side of the fence.

[Big Woop]

If the peasants managed to survive, then the environment should have been quite hostile and difficult to move in, such as tall mountains and deep forests, which would be suitable for training. If the threat to the peasants was such that they had to choose between death or resistance, then it would simply have been self preservation instead of heroism.

[Archangelus]

The enemy could be Tau. If you join them you do not die. The choice would be to live with the Imperium or with the Tau (of course they will kill you if you say "no" but they do not tell you that now, do they?).

 

I was thinking of the Yugoslav partisans during WWII or resistance type fighting.

Edited July 17, 2006 by Archangelus