The Emperor's Champion Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Are we really already that much farther along from the one in the Librarium? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1680853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted September 3, 2008 Author Share Posted September 3, 2008 I have a few more changes on the back burner to take care of before a Librarium update. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1681047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund Himself Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Are we really already that much farther along from the one in the Librarium? We like to keep up to date :P Â No worries Pariah, we'll wait for that before updating then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1681593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 The Vindicator's history goes back well before Imperial Armour vol 2. Codex Titanicus puts it development during the Horus Heresy, with the loyalists inventing it and the traitors copying it. A somewhat garbled version of this eventually evolved into the "Ultramarines" version that appears in WD231, five years before IA vol 2. My guess is that both the IA account and the WD 231 version used Codex Titanicus (or some other RT-era source that I'm unaware of) as a reference independently of each other. Obviously the Apocalypse version used WD 231 as a reference. If any source is guilty of deviating from established background, it's the Imperial Armour book, in my opinion. All other sources that I'm aware of are quite consistent in every source that I have available. It's kinda weird, since the IA boys obviously did their homework where the Rhino is concerned, but dropped the ball for the Vindicator. Â Yeah, I never really liked the whole 'Vindictis/Vindicator' thing. It always felt so contrived. Then again, I suppose there's Arkhan Land and the Land Speeder/Raider. The idea that Roboute Guilliman ordered the creation of the Vindicator certainly seems more appropriate, to my mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1681731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 the vindicator entry was from a white dwarf the number i cant help with but i can say it was the month after the whirlwind conversions and the mounth before the spartan transport issue some point in late 1989 early 1990 sorry much of my material has been destroyed also it was repeted when the vindcator model was launched for 3rd ed  also i noticed your using final liberation there was a nother game "chao gate" it was the 2nd company against the word bearers the manuel had some dates in it but once again i no longer have the data hope this helps Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1689878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted September 12, 2008 Author Share Posted September 12, 2008 Thanks for the info, man. Now I have an even greater urge to get ahold of a copy of Chaos Gate. One of these days... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1690679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 A few minor changes: Â Moved Battle of Calth to 007/M31 as per Battle for the Abyss and other recent sources. They make it clear that Calth was one of the opening battles, not one of the closing ones. Â Increased date range for Calth's atmospheric burn-off as a result of the above change. Â Fixed date and reference for Idaeus's assumption of command of the 4th Company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1709528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 141/M36 The Fall of Chundrabad. Brother Agnathio of the 2nd Company is blessed with Dreadnought armour. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 18) Â 453/M39 The Pyra Crusades. Brother Ultracius is blessed with Dreadnought armour. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 19) Â 829/M41 2nd Company's Tactical Squad Fennion's current (as of 999/M41?) roster is formed. The squad took not a single casualty since this date. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 19) Â 904/M41 Chaplain Elianu Trajan is attached to the 2nd Company. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 19) Â 733/M41 The Crusat Minor planetstrike. Cato Sicarius is awarded the Imperial Laurel. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 22) Â M35 Battle against the Star-Striders of Crioth. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 32) Â M35 Retaliation for the Heavenfall Massacres. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 32) Â 762/M41 Marneus Calgar leads the remnants of his Chapter against the Daemon-corrupted forge world of Thrax. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40) Â 799/M41 The Ultramarines begin to fortify the eastern bounds of their realm against the Tau Empire. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40) Â 805/M41 Marneus Calgar leads three companies against Waaagh! Gutshredda in the Forgoil system The battle is won in little more than three weeks. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40) Â 815/M41 The Ultramarines send three companies to investigate the disappearance of Explorator Fleet 913, but find only empty vessels drifting in deep space. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40) Â 841/M41 The 1st Company's operational strength exceeds 50% for the first time since the Battle for Macragge. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40) Â 849/M41 Brother Captain Cato Sicarius is appointed as High Suzerain of Ultramar. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40) Â 855/M41 Assault on Black Reach. The 2nd Company defeats Waaagh! Zanzag. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40) Â 861/M41 Chapter records indicate that the Ultramarines have finally replaced the losses incurred during the Battle for Macragge. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40) Â Whew! That's enough for one night! In case you hadn't guessed, I got the new Codex today! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1719905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Wow, that last one is so wrong. Idiots! 200-250 years after 745 is NOT 861! That's only 120 years! According to the new book, it took 100 years to get up to 50%, then another 20 to full strength, apparently, which is and feels so wrong. Idiots! It's been written so many times before...*sigh* I feel a little reminiscent of C:CSM... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1720521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 Was the 200-250 years figure for the whole Chapter, or just the 1st Company? The 1st Company could still have been under-strength in 861, while the 10th was bigger than usual. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1720650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 (edited) "It has taken us two centuries to bring the 1st company back to full strength after its sacrifice at Macragge." (WD 255, pg 89, April 2001) Â "It is only now, two hundred and fifty years later, that the Chapter has returned its First Company back to full strength." (C:SM, pg 20, 2004) Â Seems to be only the 1st company to me. According to the 3rd edition codex, 861.M41 was the Battle of Arconar. But oh well, right? Â Heck, they even copied some stuff word for word from that White Dwarf and put it in that codex, but they still couldn't get the date right, despite it being on the page before! LOL! Edited October 9, 2008 by Seahawk Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1720707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted October 8, 2008 Author Share Posted October 8, 2008 (Deep breath) Â Once more unto the breech! Â 878/M41 Chaos pirates, lead by the Daemon Prince M'kar the Rebord, claim several uninhabited worlds on the borders of Ultramar. Captain Sicarius destroys much of the pirate fleet (all by his lonesome?) in a decisive battle in the Halamar Rift. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40.) Â 888/M41 Battle of the Sepulchre. Marneus Calgar leads the entire Chapter to war against the Eldar of Alaitoc and Iyanden Craftworlds on Commrath. Calgar defeats the Alaitoc Avatar in single combat. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40.) Â 900/M41 Tau listening post on Morix Prime is eliminated by the 4th Company. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40.) Â 921/M41 Marneus Calgar is ambushed by Night Lords whilst en route to the Darkhold battlezone. Calgar rallies the fuedal population of Barathred to defeat them. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40.) Â 929/M41 The Trenor Uprising. 36 scouts, lead by Sergeant Telion, put down the rebellion in less than a day. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40.) Â 935/M41 A daemonic horde under the direction of M'kar the Reborn seizes control of the star fort Indomitable in Calth's outer orbit. Under the command of Marneus Calgar, Terminators from the 1st Company board the star fort. M'kar is slain by the hand of Lord Macragge. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40.) Â 989/M41 The 3rd Company liberates the Lagan system from the Tau Empire. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40.) Â 010999/M41 The Taking of Bridge Two-Four. Urielf Ventris succeeds Captain Idaeus as commander of the 4th Company. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40.) Â 303999/M41 Captain Sicarius leads an army to halt the Tau expansion. A crusade drawn from thirty Chapters drives the Tau back from dozens of Imperial worlds, but is recalled before its work can be completed. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40.) Â 854999/M41 Ultramar comes under renewed assault from the forces of Chaos. M'kar the Reborn leads the onslaught against Talassar. Other warlords attack Calth, Espandor, and Tarentus. Marneus Calgar recalls all Ultramarines to defend Ultramar, dispatching a Battle Company to each threatened planet. Calgar himself accompanies the 2nd Company to defend Talassar. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 40.) Â Whew! That's a lot of data! I wonder if I got it all... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1721483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted October 8, 2008 Author Share Posted October 8, 2008 ... Not hardly! Â 929/M41 The Tamari rebellions. Brother Vandar is the youngest ever recipient of the Iron Halo. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 18.) Â 998/M41 Combined force from the Ultramarines and Genesis Chapters engage the growing might of Waaagh! Irontoof. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 31.) Â 998/M41 5th Company conducts operations against Eldar pirates in and around the Drasanac Nebula. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 31.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1722029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 Top post updated. Whew! The new Codex certainly is rich in timeline-relevant information! It's like White Dwarf 97, except not so... old. :D I haven't even finished combing through it yet! Â My plan is to finish sifting through the new codex, then give the timeline an editing pass to clean up some entries, add cross-referencing, and sort out the arrangement of certain entries. Then I'll send a new version off to the Librarium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1723178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 (edited) The final battle for Damnos involved a 3rd dreadnought of the 2nd company: Venerable Brother Agrippan. Though he had taken control of the company when Sicarius was cut down earlier in the campaign, he now fought alone in a space port against the Necrons. Even in death the ancient warrior claimed a tally of the foe. His reactor went critical - the resulting explosion obliterated the spaceport and every Necron within it. (Codex Space Marines 2008, pg 39) Â That sounds like more fanboy talk of dreadnoughts exploding like a warlord titan or something. Theatrical, to be sure, but unrealistic even for 40k. Unless they put a nuke in his reactor that went off... Â Though, this might belong in the "Names" thread. Either way, don't forget to add in those other dates I posted above for the original times it took for the 1st company to be rebuilt. Edited October 9, 2008 by Seahawk Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1723487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I'm gonna put that down to space ports being stocked with tons and tons of highly combustible fuels, probably Imperial Navy ammo stores, and a Dreadnought who happened to blow up just right to set the whole mess off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1723585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 819.M41 - A perceived slight causes the Mortifactors and Crimson Fists to come to blows. Only a personal intercession by Marneus Calgar ends the dispute before it escalates to open war. The matter is kept from the attention of the Adeptus Terra. (C:SM 2008, pg 49) Â 926.M41 - "The World Engine" Elements from the Ultramarines and other chapters came together to eventually destroy The World Engine, which was either a Necron Tombworld mobilized by arcane tech or a starship of planetary proportions. The Astral Knights Chapter was all but destroyed in noble sacrifice and struck from the roster of active Chapters. (C:SM 2008, pg 44) Â 999.M41 - The Zeist Campaign. Captain Sicarius and the 2nd company were dispatched to the Zeist Sector, where they would draw the line in space against the encroaching Tau Empire. By the time of the final planet to be liberated, the amount of space marines under Sicarius's command were almost Chapter strength from a dozen different companies. (C:SM 2008, pg 48) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1723694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 Nice work, Seahawk. Top post updated... again! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1723736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 (edited) Tigurius' powers of prescience were responsible for: [date unknown] - The end of Waaagh! Madbrakka, its ramshackle fleet blasted to atoms the moment it emerged from the warp [date unknown] - The annihilation of Warmaster Niagar of the ruinous powers, whose fleet was destroyed, and only one ship was able to affect planetfall on Calth, after which those forces were annihilated by the 3rd and 8th companies  Interestingly, it was the 4th company that was with him and almost destroyed at Boros where he witnessed the Legion of the Damned. Those poor suckers in the 4th, always fighting innumerable aliens and almost getting wiped each time...  Page 86 of the new codex for all that.  [date unknown] - The Knights of the Raven Chapter came to blows with the Aurora Chapter, and the conflict was only ended by the intervention of Marneus Calgar (C:SM 2008, pg 28) [lolz, again]  [date unknown] - On the world of Morix Prime, the Ultramarines' land raider Pride of Argothia emerged from Lake Pytha like some mythical leviathan, water cascading from the tank's hull as its engines drove it onwards towards the [Tau's] lightly defended command post (C:SM 2008, pg 81)  [date unknown, but within the last 300 years] - The relief of Pallia. Sergeant Telion earned two Marksman's Honour Badges where his pair of extreme-range bolter shots ended the lives of both the Commander and Ethereal of a Tau reconaissance force. With the death of their leaders, the rest were easy prey for the oncoming Ultramarines (C:SM 2008, pg 88) Edited October 9, 2008 by Seahawk Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1723961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I think Calgar has his anti Chapter war skills down. Mortifactors vs Crimson Fists AND Knights Of The Raven vs the Aurora Chapter? He must send REALLY stern emails. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1723998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 He must send REALLY stern emails.  To: two dumb ChaptersCC: my mom  You two keep fighting, and I'll send the Tyranids after you!  Peace, MaC attack! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1724011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 LMAO Nice! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1724064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 There's no point in posting "date unknown" stuff unless there's a reasonable expectation that further research might reveal the date of the event in question. The timeline's getting very large as it is; I'm afraid that the forum software is going to reject it every time I upload a new version! :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1724260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I just thought it might be interesting. Besides, if I'm not as thorough as an Ultramarine should be, it might be passed over and never learned... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1724304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted October 10, 2008 Author Share Posted October 10, 2008 All right. Just don't cry if I don't put them in the top post. ^_^ Â 799/M40 The Knights of the Raven Chapter incurs a debt to the Ultramarines, which they will fulfill some twelve hundred years later by sending three companies to fight in the Zeist Campaign. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 48.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/94943-ultramarines-timeline/page/5/#findComment-1724746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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