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Surely no one actually really thinks the old attack bike was worse than the ATV?! The attack bike was basically a standard space marine bike, a design that was well received, with a heavy weapon sidecar added on. Inspired by a WW2 motorbike/sidecar combo. Hardly anything wrong with it, a design lineage that came from the original RT bikes. Meanwhile the ATV is an absolute mess of a design with no similarity to the Outrider bikes it goes with, or any other marine vehicle. Maybe the intent was something like the warthog in Halo, but the end result was a Mario Kart reject. The outrider bikes look like an update of the previous marine bike, should have done the same with the attack bike. Maybe they will with the rumoured upcoming multi-part outriders.

I didn’t realise quite how long ago I started this thread! Anywhere, here’s the latest addition - a Vostroyan Lord Marshall kit-bash / conversion. C&C very welcome. Cheers, Lorr

On the contrary; your last hope of not getting people complaining about the loss of real Marines for their oversized Poochie replacements was actual upscaled Mk.7. If this is true and real Marines are actually going the way of the dodo, you will have to endure the (justified) grumbling about the engakkification of Space Marines, forever.

Yeah there's no one stopping you from just getting close enough. I get there's some internal rationale for people who want to field an exactsies type of force... But they're toys, they're meant to be played with, use some imagination and we can all have a good time.

I had my daughter (7 yrs) roll that Agility test before she and her mother left for school. She was really sad that she rolled so low until I told her that lower is better in this game. The she started capering around like she'd won the lottery.

Once the final Marine kit disappears, I give it one more edition before its "Primaris? What Primaris?" And it's just Astartes again.

*watches every step of his plan go to absolute *

I remain convinced the ATV was designed as a joke, to see how just how bad a primaris model GW could get super fans to buy and convince themselves it was "actually not as bad as i feared now i've seen it in person, honestly I totally don't mind it"

The Wasp: With a herculean effort, the Mantid hauls on the stick, the mechanism buking and buckling in his hands, fit to tear free from the console, and the ratchets, clamps and guide-rods it is bolted, bolstered and buttressed to. The airframe, in its death throes, fights his genhanced body with almost wicked recalcitrance. It is the power of gravity, combined centripetal augmentation, which is proving so difficult to defeat. The Co-pilot begins to flag. She does not have the Lyman's Ear, not the gyroscopic stabilisers in her armoured suit. Barzani has no magboots. The Co-pilot goes slack, as the blood drains from her head, and she finally slumps unconscious, covered in her friend's oily-slick, red, guts. Her arms flap about helplessly even as Barzani's feet begin to shift. Sparks fly as the vessel lurches, the Administratum building filling the forward view - horrifyingly exposed now it has been shorn open. Without his faceplate, Obadiah's eyes would be stung by cinders, debris, grit. They patter off his casque and visor, grim-faced on the outside as the flesh contorted into efforts of will and concentration within. His muscles are fighting a whirlwind. His feet are not secure, until he slides into the fixtures of a crash harness, and, legs splayed, he finds the first bit of purchase. His lips move in mantras, not of prayer, but hypnogogic training. He does not see the pitching building which will be his tombstone, he sees only the small cherub perched atop the altimeter, and her matched twin hovering on the horizon bubble. Deeply, his mind flees from the pain, processing fear as only an Astartes can. His whole body tingles with kill-urge, shame at failure, hatred he is to be robbed of his great chance. Barzani ceases existing. His body is afire. His eyes narrow in the deadly battle haze the Mantis Warriors are whispered to suffer, but they do not succumb. Neither does he. Time slows. Every edge sharpens to painful light, to a dull throb of pulse, and there is a twitch in the gauges he's been holding steady with all his might. They begin to move. They begin to respond to his will, and with an internal scream which would drown the astropathic choir he has come to destroy, his body heaves the aircraft slowly into level flight, and even more, with a spine screaming at him to stop - even that which could take an impact to kill several normal men - he disobeys, and manages to line up the nose on the Tower of Echoes. It is not certain. It is not a given thing he will make it, but with a grim satisfaction, he sees the river rear up at him, the Wasp plunges to her deep and final grave, and with a shudder which would ring the halls of a Titan war machine, Obi is hurled from his feet, cast into the roof of the aircraft as it's belly thunders into a curtain wall at a skipper-angle, and ploughs into the river with a drenching thunder of displaced water and silt as the bullet-vessel nosedives into the bottom. Yet the peril is not finished. He is safe, but his comrades may drown. He must call once more upon his genewrought body, for the landing is finished, but the mission is only just begun.

Calling it now, Tarh dies and I spend the rest of the game role-playing a giant tortoise that dose not want to be eaten and is looking for a nice habitat on this new planet.

give me the mkIV style faceplate thank mkX uses every day. I also prefer the higher gorget. I'd not be bothered if knee rims went away, but I don't hate them either. - spoken as a person whos favourite mks were always mkIV and mkVIII

In terms of proportions I agree, but in every other metric they are lacking and a pain to work with if you want some variety. The Space Wolves were a pleasure to build and should be the standard for the reworked intercessor kits and any future Space Marine release. My hopes for the new Speeder multipart are the crewmen being loose parts so I can stick them on the Proteus assault couch pattern of Land Speeder.

It's going exactly according to the only plan that matters, my friend. Tchar is pleased.

Obadiah: GM OOC: Sorry lad, they bust you faster than a gym teacher finding you with an ice cream in the equipment locker. Static. Long static. It is broken by an alarm and a flashing red light on the console. The pilot doesn't even turn around. 'Predator augurs have us bracketed. Brace for evasive manoeuvres!' 'Tracking incoming ordnance package. On your HUD...now,' the co-pilot is obviously under intense pressure, but does well keeping it bottled. 'Evading!' The Wasp bucks and rolls as the pilot saws the guncutter left and right, desperately pitching and yawing. The bird buffets and rattles as air-bursting, fragmenting warhead score and sear the hull with a cast of iron hailstones on metal panels. Evade: 35 + 25 - 20 = 40 D100: Fail, 4 DoF. Hydra Emplacement: Crew: The Wasp is nearly gutted as the canopy and cockpit is smashed by the flak-gun shells. Smoke billows throughout, filling the cabin and hold with choking, high-pressure smog as the rush of air threatens to push the tongues of flame inside the rapidly dying airframe. A thick, black pencil line sprays out behind the stricken craft, signalling it has been mortally wounded, inviting further salvos. All comms equipment inside the vehicle dies with the pilot, as her brains and innards spatter the hull, and everyone behind her with grisly gruel. The Wasp lists to starboard, threatening to turn turtle and your crash harnesses pull until the strain makes teeth ache and ligaments scream. The craft is hurtling perilously off course, and instead of the Astropath tower, it is headed for (GM: As per OOC, Lucky Number 7?) the PDF HQ and Barracks. Even at this altitude, and with the hurricane of wind hurtling into your ears, you can hear the sound of a siren bawling out across the capital. GM: Tarh must make a Control (Loyalty Test) for Mithra or she might start panicking. (Just a Fel or WP Test, Tro. She trusts you so not Opposed). Another Pilot must take the controls. Obadiah may make a Difficult (-10) Agility Test to reach them and right them, the Co-pilot can help you fly, fall.

It just occurred to me that an all Firstborn army could be played using the Leagues of Votann rules. Even the heights line up.

Die historic on the Ash Wastes.

Victory. Victory is the colour. EDIT: With the splash landing out of the way, gentlemen we will move on. @A.T. go ahead and assume you have moved to Harville and begin your work there/continue with any narrative you think appropriate. @FabiusV4lcoran and @Xin Ceithan I will PM you both to discuss matters in due course. @Lord_Ikka Go ahead and rendezvous with Tyro, Cain and the two warp breaches in waiting. @Trokair and @Iron Father Ferrum go ahead and narratively conduct your extraction from the river. Assume the town is map south, and the side you want is map north. Be advised Mithra is amphibious and will be fine, but Tarh and the Co-Pilot will not. @Lysimachus, @Necronaut, @Machine God, @Mojake, @BadgersinHills begin your narratives for preparing to launch, board and capture the freighter in that order. We will narratively tie everything together in due course.

Toughness Tests Tarh - T:41 – 10 = 31, d100: 52, Fail 3DoF Mithra - T:35 – 10 = 25, d100: 27, Fail, 1DoF And we are out for the count.

This is true, in particular the Blood Claws. Their style of amour removes some of the plates and knee rims, looks smoother and much better than regular MKX. Should have made it the standard MKX look. Particularly with the MKVII style faceplate.

Primaris are an improvement on the old Tactical minis. But the remodeled Horus Heresy armour marks, of which Tacticals used many of are just as good, easier to kitbash, and far more creative. And for hobbyists like us who like to build variety into our armies, a great source of bitz and gubbinz.

Apologies for being out for the last day or so, wasn't feeling great and had to deal with the spawn's stuff a little more than I wished (lots of karate). I'll work up a post with Xerxes/Atesh/Rakash/Crux'as arriving on Bounty before the current...issues, and then splitting up to start their separate saboteur actions.

Tarh For a moment he was weightless before being slammed back into his seat. Stars spinning he could sit but helplessly as he was nearly thrown clear again, only the hard pull of the harness against his shoulders kept him there. That would leave a mark in the morning, if there was another morning. The roar of wind was deafening, the shuttle had taken hull damage but Tarh could not see it from where he sat. Mithra had withdrawn into her shell, and it was only the cargo straps that he had used to secure her that prevented her from being flung around, or from crushing Tarh. There was little he could do to calm her now, but none the less he tried with a pray on his lips, the words robed by the wind. “ .... Teacher ... Grandfather ... this hour... ... Warrior... thy br... ..... ... preserve .... the Smith .... and Scholar... ... from Prince .... Youngling .... years .... ser ... ..... luck .... Other ...” Loyalty Test: Fel: 48, d100: 54 ... slight Panic?

I am still hoping GW does a sly rename of the Intercessors kit into the new Tactical Marines now that they are including more armor marks in the kit. Getting rid of Tactical Marines altogether is wild. And yeah, getting rid of newer units is pretty crazy. Just another mark in the "why would you play with modern rules" column. "We purposefully trained him wrong, as a joke."

Sadly that was the era of the gw deodorant landspeeder guide and sodacan terrian. These days gw would disqualify you if you 3d printed your bases. They'd never allow this level of customization today.

I finally took the time to work on my 12 MoH vow. Let's welcome two new members of Schaeffer's Last Chancers : Rocket Girl : And Warrior Woman :

Throwing Tacticals, literally the cornerstone of GW into Legends is some kind of blasphemy. Newish kits going in too? LOL if you enjoy being on that particular treadmill? Buckle up.

I hate that I immediately clicked on the top left button and browsed Necromunda vehicles and Ork buggies.

Step three of plasma repaint I don't appear to have the Sotek Green I wanted for the bodies of the flies in my paint selection (I have way too many paints, how has that not happened?) so a trip to a local hobby store will be happening next Monday.

What colour Bandanna are you going for?

Armoured Gauntlet rules preview. Amusing to see the return of Vehicle Damage Tables to 40k, albeit in a spin-off game mode.

There are some work-arounds. Now squads are pretty much fixed, you can represent them however you want. You see that 5-man tactical squad with a missile launcher? As far as your opponent is concerned, that is now a 5-man Intercessor squad with auxiliary grenade launcher. Not everything can be proxied but there is certainly no need to shelve your Firstborn stuff, particularly if you like the models and would struggle to paint a new army.

You're both very likely dead if that roll stands. However, @Iron Father Ferrum, I seem to have a little leeway here to help you, thanks to Ms Mini-Ferrum's excellent roll, which should be rewarded properly. I noticed that Obi asked what he could do, and, to me, this was not satisfactorily accounted for. I'll do you a one-off deal. The D10 roll of 10 will stand as Opposed DoS to direction change (ie where you want to end up). If you can pass a Challenging (+0) Strength Test, which may gain Assistance (so effectively +10) I will reduce the veer by the number of DoS you acquire. I will be brutally honest. You require several DoS. You may of course boost this with IP's as normal, buy a re-roll, add +10 etc. PM your roll to me, and do not discuss it with any other Player.

Sure, they should have more variety, and I really love the new Space Wolves, Blood Claws in particular. Presumably this is what these retro bits in the updated Intercessors are for. Though personally I have always customised my primaris with a bunch of old style bits.

Crux'as: GM: a small ground car is provided to you by the Padruks. It is all-terrain capable, two seats, and a small storage compartment. Obadiah: The Co-pilot has hardly any breath to respond, but through gritted teeth, she grunts. 'Nose up. Push right.' The craft protests at your urging, nudging upwards like a Dante's Dellion seed head, blown aloft by a small, excited child. The brutish block of plasteel and ceramite coaxed by your strength and the co-pilot's skill plunges onward, spiralling until the ailerons and thrusters respond to the demand. The landscape pirouettes, pushing the g-forces harder and harder. The Astropathic spire is a tall needle which pitches into view, and out again and again, until the ground, and riverbanks replace it. The river is not far away. GM: All aboard require a Difficult (-10) Toughness Test or become unconscious. Co-Pilot: D100: Pass

Obadiah: As soon as the threat klaxons started wailing, Obi hung his head. "Well, damn." Then the flak rounds ripped into the nose. The canopy blew inwards, and the pilot -- another wasted human life to lay at the Imperium's feet, he thought -- was splattered across the faceplate of his helm. The crafted tilted dangerously to one side, and the co-pilot started yelling and flipping switches. It was hard to heard anything between the wailing sirens and the wind rushing in through the broken screen, but Obi's autosenses picked up the other mortal's call for help controlling the aircraft. The Astartes grabbed the pilot's seat and cranked it out of the way, literally bending the frame with his post-human strength, and reached over the ruin of seat and pilot alike to grab the control yoke. He jerked the sticks upright and level, and the Wasp -- what was left of it, in any case -- responded sluggishly. "Pilot! We need to crash as close to the relay as possible, even if it's a water landing. What do you need from me to make that happen?"

Hm, by now it's a mixture of being priced out and not caring anymore. The new launch box? I somehow don't care. Being forcefed edition after edition has killed any interest in current 40k. I switched to OPR sometime last year, with Battletech as a side game. And the move to OPR has freed me soooo, soooo much from FOMO and all that nonsense. I might get occasional models, but really, I'm much more interested in actually working on what I already have (huuuuge amounts) and rediscovering classic minis. There was a post in the thread for the new chaplain in the News & Rumours part of the forum. I was underwhelmed by the new mini but someone posted a comparison with the old metal Lemartes. Looking at the old mini I was flabberghasted at how much more I liked that mini. It was darker, grittier, with more atmosphere. I also recently (re-)discovered the 5th edition Legion of the damned minis. Jesus, these are beautiful sculpts. Back then I never really saw them - I only have faint memories of their anouncement. But maaaan, these are so great. So I'm rather scouring eBay and the likes for occasional old minis - just because I love their looks so much. And I will always be a 4th and 5th ed fanboy at heart - that was my jam. Don't wanna imply that current minis aren't pretty. The current Black Templars and Space Wolves ranges look great, for example, but I miss the old style. And the more affordable hobby. When it was acutally not that big a deal to buy a Rhino or Trukk or any kind of transport, since they cost something like 25-30 €. The current prices are just too high compared to how much I already have to pay for everyday stuff. I need to pay for food, fuel and all that, I don't really need another plastic chaplain or even worse, an old mini from 2005 that they are now trying to sell me for 150% of it's original price. Just not gonna do that.

Crux'as The trip down with Xerxes, Rakash, and Atesh was uneventful, slightly surprising with the cargo of the pyromancer/maniac and a bunch of firebombs. They would be the first down, paving the way for the others and hopefully gaining some valuable intelligence/initiative over their enemies. Using his rapport with the Custodians, Crux'as had finagled an alternative landing sight from Harville, citing the ongoing military lockdown as "inconvenient for business". The Custodians were appreciative of the curtesy, not wanting to deal with receiving a trading shuttle in the midst of all the commotion. With "Factor Bardum's" destination logged as House Jerall's manor, all official inquiry ceased, dealing with the fire's aftermath being a much higher priority than a minor trading concern. House Jerall didn't exactly have a landing pad designed for shuttles, but there were several open fields near the mansion that were suitable for landing. Crux'as advised Rakash and Atesh to wait until nightfall to move out, the physical appearance of either of them would be hard to hide in the daylight, even in a "friendly" area. He and Xerxes exited the shuttle. The major-domo of the house, Jocelyn, was waiting for them. Before she could greet them Crux'as spoke quickly. "Good to see you again Major-domo. Unfortunately we are running on a very tight schedule to get everything we need to do. May I ask for a moment of the Padruk ladies time? My companion will be moving to Harville shortly, as will others in our shuttle who prefer to remain...anonymous at the moment."

When I was digging through whatever I could find to answer this question for myself, I got two answers: Technology and ruthless efficiency. The obvious one, the augmetics and Iron Fathers and so on. Hill-country tribalism. This is not so much a specific culture as an archetype of a culture that comes up wherever the conditions are right. The Highlanders of Scotland against England. The Caucasus against the Ottomans. The tribesmen who made Afghanistan the graveyard of empires. How is Medusa depicted? It's a bunch of separate clans and outposts, mountainous and scattered, and Ferrus Manus thinks that's good for them and doesn't try to change it. They fight each other, and he's in favor. He doesn't try to govern them, and even after they become the Iron Hands recruiting world, they stay divided, and 'fight' each other for dominance. The thing with hillmen, wherever they live, is that they will not be governed, and they will not chill. They pursue feuds for decades if not centuries. They're nearly impossible to tax or impose central rule on, and they know it, so they'll mess with you if you try, and then leave into the broken valleys and hills. And no one but a local can traverse those effectively; even if you're a M20 superpower and they have rusty pistols you'll lose more than they do if you send your infantry in. It's not a pure description; the nomads are a thing, and while the Bedouin, the Berber, and similar desert nomads have very similar dynamics (or at least did, before the development of the helicopter), they are not the same. But if you're looking for a cultural touchstone, you want hillmen, whether they're Afghan or Chechnyan or Scottish. Which means you probably want Scots, most of all, because regardless of the century or millennium, the archetypal man who fixes your ship and then tells you "The engines cannae take any more of this, cap'n!" and goes on to extract another 3% more efficiency because if they don't take more of this, you'll die... is a Scot.

I dry brushed Abaddon black over the exhausts for a bit of a soot stained look. I also finally got around to doing the bases for my chosen. I screwed up the plastic glue though so I might need to touch up the bases a bit now. This is also my first time using the necromunda bases which are hopefully finally consistent with my earlier sector imperialis bases. I've been putting off finishing the chosen because I wanted to base them so I could finish painting without touching the model. )I forgot to leave a bit of sprue on the foot for my clips to hold onto.

Suppressors always felt like they needed a proper kit to be "fixed" but they're just getting binned instead. Also the ATV getting legends is , especially since it seems people think it's justified because it looks bad. That's 50% of the generic Mounted units left gone with no assurances there'll be a replacement. They had better send some of the ugly as sin Dark Angels bike units to legends as well to even the field if we're deciding what goes based on appearance. Also good riddance to Tacticals and Devastators. They held on far longer than they had any right to on nostalgia alone, so maybe once they actually go people will finally shut up about Firstborn and realise that by now the original Primaris wave predates GW's current target audience, so them going was inevitable and not GW shoving "new" Marines down their throat.

The Attack Bike was one of those things that, whilst very silly, was the right kind of silly and quintessentially 40K. The ATV always seemed like a half-hearted attempt to make an XTREEEEEME version of the same basic unit, and the design looking straight out of Mario Kart: Double Dash* didn't help, nor did the hollowed-out underside. Can't say I'll greatly miss it. Tacticals and Devastators being sent to the Shadow Realm though, that sucks. Especially as both are great sources of bits to graft onto bigger bodies to make nuscaled real Marines. *The best Mario Kart, in my opinion, so it's got that going for it?

This is intresting idea. Which kinda attack bike would be best concept? Sidecar version? Tandem kinda? Turret on back? One marine with servitor turret? Alot possibilities really, but we know GW propably makes something with current outriders kit that connects to it

It was released basically at the start of 9th, the same day as the Space Marine Codex and the Firestrike Turret. So both of those kits (as well as the ETB Outriders kit, which is rumored to be going away in favor of a multipart kit) have been on the market for a little over five and a half years. Contrast that to the ETB Space Marine kits from Eighth Edition, which were all removed at the beginning of 9th (some of the Death Guard ETB kits stuck around, but they also didn't have multipart counterparts to compete with). By that metric, the ATV and Firestrike will have been available for about twice as long. Assuming the ETB Outriders are replaced, that would only leave the Chaplain on Bike as a general-release push-fit kit still on the market from 9th Edition(*) and maybe the only kit available by any means if the "Honoured of the Chapter" sprue winds up being replaced by a similar characters-and-hangers-on sprue from the Armageddon box in the same way the Dark Imperium sprue was s-canned in favor of the new "Heroes of the Chapter" sprue from Leviathan. So in comparison to multipose Marine kits, the turrent and ATV are going away earlier than expected, but compared to other ETB kits, they were already on borrowed time. * Again, speaking purely of the Marine range and not the opposition forces from the launch boxes

Hmm… with only 1 shuriken I don’t think it's worth it. I think it’s down to Kelman to shoot the Raider and hopefully kill him in the crash. I might Suppress the group to reduce their return fire before then…

Alpha Legion was, infact, not a lie (or was it?). Raven Guard next week.

Crux'as He left the audience with the scions of Padruk, pleased to have them sink social daggers into their enemies. A quick stop to the manor's vox-bank, to inform the Custodians that there would be a few more deliveries from orbit to the Jerall holdings over the next couple of days. Now, to find Tyro quickly and see if he had information about kontor access. Then off to coordinate with Cain. Lords of the Warp, watch my actions. I will bring blood and souls in your glory! It was about to be a very fun time.

Crux'as The smile dims slightly. "Hmm. That is interesting information. I will inform the Syndicate and we will focus our efforts on the Provost Marshall. Any issues that occur during his martial law period would look poorly on him and decrease any possible power he has. Our plans should still work properly." A quick glance at the two. "I was wondering if I could ask you ladies to deal with a slight inconvenience? The PDF assisting the Enforcers in a unified fashion would be less than helpful. A whisper in the PDF Commander's ear to get a certain gambling-obsessed lieutenant assigned to the armory for the next two nights could help immensely, as could the dropping of a few hints in certain noble ears of the Commander's affair between himself his subordinate, as well as a noble daughter. Anything that can disrupt the command structure in a subtle way would help." "I will talk to your man Tyro if possible, I believe he would have some information useful to the operations."

Worth it.

Loota is one with big,, over the shoulder gun. And Flashgitz have THE best guns as they are more of mercenaries with need for the flashiest, bestest shootas

Thanks @BadgersinHills! I really enjoy using decals as my freehand skills are terrible! For this week’s update, I’ve finished the first unit of Victrix Honour Guard! They took longer than expected due to the sheer amount of detail on these sculpts. I have to say that I love a flag! but the size of the banner of Macragge is ridiculous! That said it was very fun to paint and it’ll add a focal point to the force. Here’s the pics: Ultramarines Victrix Honour Guard Ultramarines Victrix Honour Guard Ultramarines Victrix Honour Guard Ultramarines Victrix Honour Guard Next up I’m back in the trenches with some Krieg!