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Surely no one actually really thinks the old attack bike was worse than the ATV?! The attack bike was basically a standard space marine bike, a design that was well received, with a heavy weapon sidecar added on. Inspired by a WW2 motorbike/sidecar combo. Hardly anything wrong with it, a design lineage that came from the original RT bikes. Meanwhile the ATV is an absolute mess of a design with no similarity to the Outrider bikes it goes with, or any other marine vehicle. Maybe the intent was something like the warthog in Halo, but the end result was a Mario Kart reject. The outrider bikes look like an update of the previous marine bike, should have done the same with the attack bike. Maybe they will with the rumoured upcoming multi-part outriders.

John Armageddon himself.

I didn’t realise quite how long ago I started this thread! Anywhere, here’s the latest addition - a Vostroyan Lord Marshall kit-bash / conversion. C&C very welcome. Cheers, Lorr

Amazing that you're even saying something like this. Imagine if the sort of Primaris shake up happened to the Craftworld Eldar. Imagine if all the current designs started slowly getting phased out in favour of the current crop of Corsair kits or a new Ynnari aesthetic. Would you say the same thing to the people who like the old Aspect Warriors in that scenario? You act as if people being more discerning about the faction they picked years ago is some sort of insult pointed directly at you. You're entitled to your opinion, but often times your posts feel like you personally made it your task to make a "BUT I LIKE IT" type post every time someone expressed even the slightest bit of dislike towards a new release or even just a preference for an older design.

On the contrary; your last hope of not getting people complaining about the loss of real Marines for their oversized Poochie replacements was actual upscaled Mk.7. If this is true and real Marines are actually going the way of the dodo, you will have to endure the (justified) grumbling about the engakkification of Space Marines, forever.

I just want to express how happy I am that ATV and Suppressors will be gone., because I hate both. Now, could we do something about heavy stubbers and calf thrusters?

Love how the article re-iterates how you can paint this one as any chapter you want. Surely this will help with the wave of posts on social media asking if they have to paint their Armageddon box marines as BA.

Iron Warriors players don't really need four "blank" pauldrons though - Legionaries, Havocs, etc come with plenty of them already. Whereas sculpted hazard stripes/chevrons could have been useful to someone.

... do we need gravis at all?

Ah yes, the new and improved Suppressors, Inceptors, Aggressors, 3 man Sanguinary Guard and so on. It truly was reflexive hate when I turned the Gravis captain I got in the Dark Imperium box and noticed that he looks as if he's suffering from excess fluid in his abdomen, the oversized Gravis power pack and the fact he was missing his backside. This isn't really about liking "horrible old models", it's a matter of design really. For example in terms of art and design I will prefer the Tactical Squad and older designs over the Intercessors and Mark X. They are fine models in terms of quality most of the time, but I dislike their completely uniform appearance. Massed Imperial Guard infantry have more personalization options per model than the premier infantry kit for the flagship faction. A lot of Primaris design was questionable, like releasing an Apothecary model without a narthecium. It took until the Blood Angels release to fix that. I forgot to mention the Storm Speeder and how it's an unsightly brick the size of a Rhino that replaced the equivalent of a flying scout car or light weapons platform. Talk about new and improved.

I think I'll go with gold! Thanks. Yellow for the regular squad members (as a role designation) and green for the sergeant, yeah. I sure hope that the yellow will look right. I quite liked how it looked as a tertiary colour on the shield Captain from the previous page - this has given me a confidence boost to try it out on larger surfaces. Here's a small update. I think I managed to get most of the armour and leather done. The idea for the backpacks is to keep the 'base' of the pack purple to match the armour and paint the top part/thrusters black. While it's probably not apparent from the photos (the output is quite similar), I'm looking for ways to make the painting process more enjoyable. I think for regular troops, I'll settle on relying on drybrushing for base of the highlights. However, with only a week left, I'm a bit concerned (and pessimistic!) about getting them done by the month's end for the 12 Months of Hobby vow.

You just keep playing them. They aren't being removed from the game. One weekend a month you can't play then at an RT and then you go back to your normal play and use them if you want to.

I'm not going to argue with you if you're going to assume how I feel about this hobby. I wouldn't have bought any of the models I bought over the past 10 years (post 8th edition era) and I wouldn't be spending time converting the same miniatures if the hobby made me miserable. It's clear you're on the back foot because you're constantly making concessions to arguments people made in this thread, but you still somehow sneak in a snipe at people you see as detractors.

It just occurred to me that an all Firstborn army could be played using the Leagues of Votann rules. Even the heights line up.

Some of you were not around for the horrors of the first chaos Possessed models and it shows. :P Crazy part is that some of you think the Suppressors look worse than the Humpty Dumpty Centurions(no matter the flavor).

I think people who say "good riddance" are missing the point. They might not have been the best units and you might not personally miss them, but such new units being removed means nothing is safe. This stuff is not cheap, but at least it used to be that you knew that it would be usable for a long while. This is no longer the case. The unit that was just released and you are now eagerly painting might be unusable in a few years.

First SM preview for the box I feel positive about, GW seems to have a pretty comfortable time putting out good looking Chapies. A bit twitchy about it all relying on the thin smoke column though...

Obadiah: The Tower of Echoes was an imposing building, as was so much Imperial architecture: a towering spire, wider at the base but narrowing as it rose, surrounded by a circular pile of mortared stone topped with domes and a few smaller minarets. Snarling and gibbering gargoyles lined the eaves. The outer walls were supported by flying buttresses that arced up 20 meters or more, and every flat surface was covered with graven images of the Emperor and his saints. The facility itself was encircled by an outer wall, no more than three meters high, though it was no serious defense. It featured no turrets, nor were there any guards walking a parapet. Few were the brave souls who wanted to actually enter an Astropathic Relay. The lone gate in the exterior wall sat on the southwest side, where both a road from parts westward and a path coming up from a small jetty in the river met. The approach had been easy enough; the fall of night had done much to conceal Obi and his companions, and the Arbites had fallen far behind them. They had a watercraft and a pair of skimmers executed a standard grid search over the crash site, but the bright lights made them easy to track. Obi walked in a deep crouch, his camo cloak pulled in tight across his plastron, about five meters north of the road. Two armed sentries stood at the simple gate in the exterior wall. They chatted amiably, barely paying attention, and the Mantis Warrior had considered killing them at a distance. . . but he wanted to make sure there was no one else out of sight to raise an alarm. His slow progress got him up to the wall without issue. He clicked his tongue into the vox twice, and got two clicks back from Tarh. He let his autosenses pierce the darkness in the direction he'd come from, but even his enhanced vision couldn't pick out the man's hide. Good. A short vertical leap let him get his fingers onto the top of the wall and he smoothly heaved himself up and over the wall. He dropped down on the other side, still cloaked by darkness and cameleoline. He peered at the gate, and sure enough the two guards at the actual portal were not alone. There was a sort of a guard house -- a small shack, really -- with an open door and as he watched, a silhouetted shape moved back and forth within. He slid Silence from its sheath and closed the distance. The guard from the shack stepped out into the cool night air and marched around to the gate, and he heard Tarh's vox-click in his ear as soon as he heard the new arrival begin to chat up the two other guards. A quick glance into the shack showed it empty of other people, so he slipped around the front. Silence flew from his grasp, and the monomolecular edge took the shack-guard in the temple with a wet thunk. Before the man even hit the dirt, a red flash from the near-distance snapped out and drilled smoking hole in the forehead of one of the guards. Obi sprang forward and grabbed the last man by the throat, choking off his scream before it could manifest, and closed the gauntlet's grip. The man's neck bent at a weird angle with an audible snap. He quickly dragged all three bodies into the guard house, retrieved his knife, and doused the interior light. "Advance," he whispered over the vox. "We're going in." The courtyard between wall and main building was open and poorly lit; only the main entrance -- wide, double doors of bronze carved in bas-relief of the Emperor -- had bright lamps set on either side of it. Silence clutched tightly in one fist, Obi crept to the doors. Flattening himself quietly against the wall, he reached up to the lamp on his side of the door and ripped it down with one quick tug. He was about to cross in front of the doors to get the second when Tarh's long-las flashed again out of the darkness and cracked the lamp-bulb. He paused a moment, waiting patiently, eyes never leaving the doors, until Tarh's smaller form coalesced from the darkness on the other side of the door. "Ready?"

I think the Mk X helm looks good on Deathwatch, as they're slightly more "sci-fi" and "tactical" in my mind, but for everything else, I just can't bring myself to like it no matter how much I try. As for Marines in general, I think Primaris have good and bad points, design-wise (fluff-wise, I find them horrendous, but I can ignore that, so it's no big deal to me). For most of the things, like the bolt rifles, armour plates and knees, I have no problem with going "it's just Space Marines to me", but there are a few sticking points, like the neck guard (which is easily trimmable) and the "ankle bulb" (which is less eaily dealt with, but eaiser to ignore). Honestly, I think we'll end up seeing most of these design choices fade away as everything slowly morphs into one big "Space Marine" design melting pot. Some of the newer minis are among the best Marines they've ever done, but I still look forward to them blending more old design cues in there. As for the fluff and new units, well, 40K is a long-running franchise that only really exists to move product, so I think it's just common sense to accept that the "true" creative work has been done a long time ago and now the creative and artistic spark is going to have to come from oneself. It's like when my friends complain about Star Wars (or I complain about the Simpsons). I mean, yeah, it can annoy you sometimes, but trying to put one's finger on some big reason beyond "it's been running since forever, of course it's not great art anymore" is a fool's errand. Factor in nostalgia and one can be frustrated from here to eternity, if one does not accept that it's our own job to make it speak to us. But GW does provide some great raw material most of the time.

Victory. Victory is the colour. EDIT: With the splash landing out of the way, gentlemen we will move on. @A.T. go ahead and assume you have moved to Harville and begin your work there/continue with any narrative you think appropriate. @FabiusV4lcoran and @Xin Ceithan I will PM you both to discuss matters in due course. @Lord_Ikka Go ahead and rendezvous with Tyro, Cain and the two warp breaches in waiting. @Trokair and @Iron Father Ferrum go ahead and narratively conduct your extraction from the river. Assume the town is map south, and the side you want is map north. Be advised Mithra is amphibious and will be fine, but Tarh and the Co-Pilot will not. @Lysimachus, @Necronaut, @Machine God, @Mojake, @BadgersinHills begin your narratives for preparing to launch, board and capture the freighter in that order. We will narratively tie everything together in due course.

Yeah there's no one stopping you from just getting close enough. I get there's some internal rationale for people who want to field an exactsies type of force... But they're toys, they're meant to be played with, use some imagination and we can all have a good time.

There are some work-arounds. Now squads are pretty much fixed, you can represent them however you want. You see that 5-man tactical squad with a missile launcher? As far as your opponent is concerned, that is now a 5-man Intercessor squad with auxiliary grenade launcher. Not everything can be proxied but there is certainly no need to shelve your Firstborn stuff, particularly if you like the models and would struggle to paint a new army.

In terms of proportions I agree, but in every other metric they are lacking and a pain to work with if you want some variety. The Space Wolves were a pleasure to build and should be the standard for the reworked intercessor kits and any future Space Marine release. My hopes for the new Speeder multipart are the crewmen being loose parts so I can stick them on the Proteus assault couch pattern of Land Speeder.

I remain convinced the ATV was designed as a joke, to see how just how bad a primaris model GW could get super fans to buy and convince themselves it was "actually not as bad as i feared now i've seen it in person, honestly I totally don't mind it"

Loota is one with big,, over the shoulder gun. And Flashgitz have THE best guns as they are more of mercenaries with need for the flashiest, bestest shootas

April vow finished, last model done - Inquisition kill-team member (Heavy)

While neither of these units are favourites of mine, the loss of choice is always a sad thing.

2nd part of vow done - 3 Pioneers and 4 Kapricus Defenders. Just need to get my little Inquisition kill-teamer done.

I'd say inceptors and desolation marines are way worse than suppressors. Akimbo dumpy plasma cannons looking like they're floating like Baron Harkonnen from David Lynch Dune. And Desolation marines with the underslung, belt fed, revolving rocket launchers.

Really like this guy, other than the smoke. I DESPISE this trend of adding smoke / explosions / fire etc to models. Particularly in a way that is integral to a model. Make it an alternate piece for those that like it, by all means. But don’t lumber me with some cartoony looking static effect which breaks the immersion, please.

Every single sodding Omnibus should be a range item that sticks around and gets reprints as required. They used to be like that, too. Omnibuses are the END STATE of the novels. You can milk them through hardback, paperback, ebooks and audiobooks for *years* before an omnibus arrives. There should be no artificial scarcity with omnibuses from GW/BL. That they've actively chosen to introduce it for omnibuses is a sign of corporate disease, not a healthy company that gives a damn about what it puts out. And yeah, I'm also still miffed about Saturday's City of Ash disaster. Thankfully I should be good according to my prefered retailer, who I preordered with, but god damn they can't even make a freakin' STARTER SET that's obviously aimed at entirely new customers with one of the included booklets a new range item instead of a surprise limited edition which you only get confirmation on the moment the store page is up, with an order window of 4 minutes before it's sold out. Frankly, GW is driving the intentional supply issues up the roof and I can't wait for the moment it backfires on them. Hope they produced enough boxes of Armageddon, I suppose.

Looking at the angle of the foot and the ruin, it might be possible to trim out the smoke and have the foot directly on the ruins in a "leaping" pose. I am not worried about the structural strength as the smoke looks about at thick as the foot anyway. I just don't like the smoke effects in general. Overall it is a really good model. I am actually thinking I might proxy him as Lemartes as I don't actually like the Primaris Lemmy model. This one looks much closer the previous version of the character.

Well in spite of a busy week I’ve managed to find time to finish my latest rendition of Lord Marshal Dreir! In my head canon he’s actually Marshal Marius Konstantin, leader of the now reformed 3rd Krieg Siege Regiment. I’ve really enjoyed working on such a beautiful sculpt (especially with the head and torso swap) So much so in fact I’ll be painting my Deathriders! Here’s the pics: Krieg Lord Marshal Dreir Krieg Lord Marshal Dreir Krieg Lord Marshal Dreir Krieg Lord Marshal Dreir Krieg Lord Marshal Dreir Can’t wait to get started on the Deathriders! Thanks for looking.

I am a huge fan of Gravis armor. Dozens of them fully painted up, with more in storage. I was the crazy guy buying Heavy Intercessors in full 10-man units when we could still only get them from box splitters. Might even be my favorite of the new Primaris range. As a Terminator enjoyer since the OG Deathwing game, something about the chonk just speaks to me. I wouldn't worry about it. You cannot argue with someone who treats their own confusion as a rebuttal. It's what we call a "self-licking ice cream cone."

I painted up a hippogriff for a review on Tabletop Battles (formerly Goonhammer). it’s a very nice kit. I built mine without instructions due to someone else having them. Managed it without any major issues. There are some nice features and they get a lot of detail on not that many pieces, so it builds reasonably quickly. I had a spare Death Rider torso, which I used as the commander instead of the Cadian you get with the kit. That will match my infantry (and cavalry) better. Review here: https://www.goonhammer.com/40k-centaur-hippogriff

Opinion on current or past models doesn’t matter if the person likes or dislikes them. Some describe old models as horrible others love them. At the end of the day it’s personal preference. I’m more bummed at the loss of relatively recent models. This is a GW thing though it shouldn’t surprise.

GM: On that bombshell, I will move the timeline on a few hours. Crux'as: Dusk falls on Bounty, and the function promised by the Padruk sisters is in full swing with officers and ladies attending the Gerhardt townhouse, not far from the main conurbation, but comfortably within the protective walls. In the mean time, the elements of the rebel forces move into position to attack, signalling their readiness via Tyro and Cain. You are relayed by a message from Karelia, that salacious gossip has been known, and that a duel is planned. Unfortunately, the Second of one of the duellists is the man who can open the armoury, and the duel is expected to take place in the morning - 'Grass before Breakfast' - as it is known. Also, a group of the bumpkins who pledged to the Padruks have found a PDF reserve baggage store and plundered all the liquor which they have then imbibed. This has borne a blessing and a curse, in that an Arbites unit has been dispatched to take care of them, but if they get them in for interrogation, it could cause revelations that would prove prickly. Xerxes: You return to the city's Depot, without too much trouble, being stopped several times by citizens with complaints about plumbing, roofing, building works, maintenance enquiries and a myriad of other annoyances. Thankfully now ensconced in the building, several servitors (D10 = 4) have returned from firefighting and remote duty to allow for...ministrations. GM: Be aware guys, I am trying to tie a lot of loose planning strings together here into a knot. If I miss something minor, I apologise, but hopefully we're going forward with the highlights, and the rest is window dressing.

I hate that I immediately clicked on the top left button and browsed Necromunda vehicles and Ork buggies.

Step three of plasma repaint I don't appear to have the Sotek Green I wanted for the bodies of the flies in my paint selection (I have way too many paints, how has that not happened?) so a trip to a local hobby store will be happening next Monday.

This is true, in particular the Blood Claws. Their style of amour removes some of the plates and knee rims, looks smoother and much better than regular MKX. Should have made it the standard MKX look. Particularly with the MKVII style faceplate.

Once the final Marine kit disappears, I give it one more edition before its "Primaris? What Primaris?" And it's just Astartes again.

Worth it.

Throwing Tacticals, literally the cornerstone of GW into Legends is some kind of blasphemy. Newish kits going in too? LOL if you enjoy being on that particular treadmill? Buckle up.

I'm not 100% clear, but I think: Arvus (1st trip) - direct to countryside, drop off Crux'as, Xerxes, Atesh and Rakash. Crux'as, and maybe Xerxes, heading into Harville to cause disruption, maybe taking some of the pro soldiers in with them? Atesh and Rakash staying in the countryside to draw the Imperials out (might actually be good Rakash is there, rumours of a traitor Marine will definitely help!) Then, a day or so later: Wasp brings Obadiah and Tarh towards the Astropath Tower (and gets caught - stupid us for not changing the Wasp's transponder!) Same time, Arvus' 2nd trip brings Varne and team to docks. Leaving at same time, so arrive on Bounty maybe half an hour or so behind the others, is the Starhawk hiding behind the freighter-bomb, carrying Hagga, Eska, Ukalegon, Mourn and Kraggan. Does that sound right to everyone?

This is intresting idea. Which kinda attack bike would be best concept? Sidecar version? Tandem kinda? Turret on back? One marine with servitor turret? Alot possibilities really, but we know GW propably makes something with current outriders kit that connects to it

So had them done for nearly a week but been procrastinating again on posting them up. I declare my first vow from Combat Patrol complete: Not entirely happy but I've hardly painted in months so guess beggards can't be choosers. Individual photos can be found in my WIP Log... when I get around to updating it. Anyway, onto the next bit that, if I was keeping to the standard I set myself, I should have done a week ago; I, Brother Argent, vow to complete 3x Von Ryann's Leapers by Months end.

Tacticals and Devastators going away just signals to me that they want to redo thise kits for Scouring branding. I have nothing to base this on besides I want it to be true.

Greetings Fraters, this is a different sort of update from me - it’s an update of, well, very little or no progress. Basically, I’ve struggled with my motivation to paint over the last month-to-six weeks. There are a few reasons for this; the biggest is that we had a bereavement in the family a couple of months ago. We lost a very close family member following a long and determined fight against cancer; so it was a loss that was expected, but nonetheless difficult. Honestly, if anyone has been through seeing a loved one taken by that illness, you’ll agree with me when I say **** cancer. This loss has affected each of my family in different ways - for me, it crept up on me really, and didn’t ’hit’ me straight away. It seemed to slowly settle on me like a fog, a miasma that brought me down and kind of robbed me of any sense of joy in the things I normally enjoy doing - like painting miniatures. While going through this, I haven’t beat myself up over not painting, or developed any anxiety over letting my painting ‘schedule’ slip away. In fact, I’ve just gone with it. I’ve not beat myself up because up until this, I’ve had pretty much 6 years of almost continuous hobbying, including painting on average an army a year (!) as well as terrain pieces and Kill Teams. If I’m not painting now, then everything I’ve got will still be there when my hobby motivation fully returns. So for the last month or so, the current batch of Marines I’ve been painting has been sat on my desk, pretty much like this: And honestly, I’ve not worried about it much at all. However, over the last week, my motivation has slowly started coming back - but it’s not helped by the fact that I now have to block in metallics, which I really find tedious Still, I’ll chip away, and eventually these will get done. And to help me push through one of my least favourite parts of doing these, I’ve been starting to get a hankering for a new army project - part of me wants to go straight on to it, but I’m going to do my best to stay focussed and get these Marines done. But that next project never seems far from my mind at the moment…

April I, Reclusiarch Jolemai , embark on the 12 Months of Hobby Challenge, and for the month of April pledge to complete 5x Breacher Legionaries by month's end.