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Hello! New to the forum new to HH, so I've come the questions and a list offering. Me and my mates are fairly competitive, but we don't want to run skew or make lists that are inadvertently busted because we haven't noticed how some rules work in practice. I'm trying to make a melee focused army work for me with DA and the Unbroken Vow RoW. The plan is: Inner Circle Knights are my Dreadnought hunters, Praetor and and his companions are infantry killers, and my Interemptors are terminator hunters. The core are my Tartaros Terminators supported by an Apothecary and Centurion Herald, my glorious and "immovable" objective takers. Dreadnoughts are fire support/anti-air and Sabres are my anti-tank. So what do we think? My lack of line worries me, especially taking a HQ slot per squad to make a unit line. Update to the plan of action: Deep strike a ball of independent Characters (IC's) and their retinue where they can do the most damage. Tactical Marines drive up to objectives with Apocatheries in tow. Dread's are my ranged anti-tank. Inner Circle Knights are my anti-Dred/melee anti-tank. Tactical Support Squad are my terminator killers. Dreadwing Interemptors are there to drive up to scary stuff and make it go away with their plasma Burners. I feel confident in this list, it should be a good time for myself and my opponents. Thanks for your continued suggestions :) 1st Edits: - Apocatheries are gone - Centurion Heralds are now in Tartaros armour - Inner Circle Knights have a Spartan - Sabres are also gone 2nd Edits: - Tartaros squads have 2x power axes (Sgt and a squaddie) - 2x Inner Circle Knights (one with hammers one with swords) w/ a Proteus Carrier each - Centurion Heralds in artificer return -Dreadwing Interemptors condensed into one large squad w/ Rhino - Praetor given archeotech pistol 3rd Edits: - Tartaros squads replaced with 10 man veteran squads w/ rhino transport and power swords & axes - Removed sword Inner Circle Knights and made reaming Inner Circle Knights Hunter of Beasts Order Ironwing - Sabres with Neutron Blasters return - 2x Sicarans added - Dreadnoughts removed - Dreadwing Interemptors split into two squads again - Apothecaries for veteran line units return plus Warhawk jumppack Apothecary for Deathwing detachment - Minor-Combi Weapons no longer volkite, now grenade launcher - Veteran Sgt & squaddie have power axes Note: Unsure getting rid of the Dreadnoughts for tanks, thoughts on this in particular most welcome 4th Edits: - Veterans are gone, 3 tactical squads replace them (It's sad I know but the DA RoW not giving at least 2 units line is too costly an obstacle. Tactical Marines it is. - Centurions Heralds replaced with a warmonger (to assault immediately after deep striking) and the Chaplin. RoW really benefits IC's with Deathwing so making a small blob of doom is good. - Sabres are gone AGAIN! Replaced by a 10 man tactical support squad with Plasma Repeaters - Learned that Apothecary can't join the Deathwing Companion detachment, he has been downgraded and given a tactical squad to baby sit - Deathwing Companion reduced to minimum size - Dreadnoughts return 2x with Gravis Lascannons, Gravis Power Fists and Plasma Blasters Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for helping me puzzle this out. Who knows if this will be the last iteration before I'm satisfied that enough possibilities are covered. Always glad to recieve your messages and suggestions for improvements. Especially with regards to rules clarifications. ++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - I: Dark Angels) [3,000Pts] ++ + Expanded Army Lists + Expanded Army List Profiles:: Exemplary Units Off, Legacy Units Off + Allegiance: + I: Dark Angels Allegiance: Loyalist + Rite of War: + Rite of War: The Unbroken Vow (DA) + HQ: + Centurion [140Pts]: (Chaplain) Master craft one weapon to represent a Crozius Arcanum, Chaplain, Deathwing . Chaplain: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Refractor Field, Terranic Greatsword, Warhawk Jump Pack Centurion [130Pts]: Deathwing, Warmonger . Warmonger: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Refractor Field, Terranic Greatsword Praetor [415Pts]: Deathwing, Marshal of the Crown, Warlord . Deathwing Companion Detachment: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Warhawk Jump Pack . . Deathwing Oathbearer: Cytheron Pattern Aegis, Refractor Field, Terranic Greatsword . . Deathwing Companion: Cytheron Pattern Aegis, Terranic Greatsword . . Deathwing Companion: Bolter, Terranic Greatsword . . Deathwing Companion: Bolter, Terranic Greatsword . . Deathwing Companion: Bolter, Terranic Greatsword . Legion Praetor: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, Iron Halo, Krak Grenades, Master of the Legion, Terranic Greatsword, Warhawk Jump Pack + Elites: + Apothecarion Detachment [135Pts]: Legiones Astartes (X) . Apothecary: Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Narthecium, Power Armour, Stormwing . . Chainsword: Chainsword . Apothecary: Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Narthecium, Power Armour, Stormwing . . Chainsword: Chainsword . Apothecary: Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Narthecium, Power Armour, Stormwing . . Chainsword: Chainsword Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [410Pts]: Dreadwing . Contemptor Dreadnought: Atomantic Deflector, Gravis Lascannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Plasma Blaster . Contemptor Dreadnought: Atomantic Deflector, Gravis Lascannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Plasma Blaster Dreadwing Interemptor Squad [160Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, Interemptor Praefectus, 4x Interemptors, Krak Grenades, Plasma Burner, Power Armour, Rad Grenades . Rhino Transport: Smoke Launchers, Twin-linked Bolter Inner Circle Knights Cenobium [495Pts]: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Hunter of Beasts, Ironwing, Plasma-Caster . Order Preceptor: Thunder Hammer . Land Raider Proteus Carrier: 2x Sponson Mounted Gravis Lascannon, Legiones Astartes (X), Smoke Launchers, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter . Order Cenobites: Thunder Hammer . Order Cenobites: Thunder Hammer . Order Cenobites: Thunder Hammer . Order Cenobites: Thunder Hammer + Troops: + Tactical Squad [140Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Stormwing . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour . 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter . Rhino Transport: Searchlights, Smoke Launchers, Twin-linked Bolter Tactical Squad [140Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Stormwing . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour . 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter . Rhino Transport: Searchlights, Smoke Launchers, Twin-linked Bolter Tactical Squad [140Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Stormwing . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour . 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter . Rhino Transport: Searchlights, Smoke Launchers, Twin-linked Bolter Tactical Support Squad [335Pts]: Dreadwing, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Plasma Repeater, Power Armour . Legion Tactical Support Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour . 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol . Rhino Transport: Searchlights, Smoke Launchers, Twin-linked Bolter + Heavy Support: + Sicaran Squadron [365Pts]: Ironwing . Sicaran : 2x Heavy Bolters, Accelerator Autocannon, Heavy Bolter, Smoke Launchers . Sicaran : 2x Heavy Bolters, Accelerator Autocannon, Heavy Bolter, Smoke Launchers ++ Total: [3,000Pts] ++